What’s wrong with people?

[TommyCracker]

Holcomb signed a bill today banning all gender-transition treatments for minors, even with parental consent. Not much he could have done, since a veto would have easily been overridden. But taken in the context of what people are saying in this thread and elsewhere, I think one thing we can all do is just drop the canard that any of this is about protecting parental rights. Most of one party think that trans people are gross and icky and wrong, and they don't want to allow it, no matter what doctors or parents say.

History may even prove them right, but let's at least be honest about what's happening.

I'll denounce it if it can ever be proven, hell leaning that it's simply ineffective.

So far the results have been astounding and the group who is going through it along with their parents are asking for it.

This to me is like if a teenage girl had such a messed up, disfigured nose that she was constantly called 'The Elephant Girl' in school and she wasn't allowed to get a simple nose job because of politicians.

Or a teenager wanting breast reduction surgery.

An argument could be made that teenage mastectomies are similar (even though the threat is cosmetic for trans vs malignant).

The dangers have not been confirmed while the results are pretty incredible.

Any of those two flip and I'll be the first to denounce it.

 

[UncleMark]

I don't think your ideal Republican has much of a future in this state. I hope I'm wrong. He'd be a fine Senator, as far as Indiana is concerned.

Indiana voters will be happy to vote for someone other than Rokita if only they are given the chance.

 

[TommyCracker]

The data suggest something like 4/5 minors grow out of it by 18. I would support that bill just as I would support a bill the prohibits children chopping off limbs with parental consent. It’s malpractice imo.

I don’t care what legal adults want to do.

The treatment is most often irreversible despite the protestation that puberty blockers are harmless.

The argument against is two fold....

1. trans kids aren't making it to adulthood.

2. Doing this shit after you've gone through puberty is much worse and painful. Blockers just buy the person more time and they are (supposedly) 100% reversible (okay 99%).

 

[Spartans9312]

That sounds silly. What would be the justification for that?

They are setting these kids up for failure as adults. It will lead to a vast majority of these kids being on Medicare disability as adults. The taxpayers should not be responsible for this lifestyle choice. I realize I’m privy to diagnosis and treatment for young adults choosing this lifestyle that others are not. The ones that I have dealt with professionally have all had a gender dysphoria diagnosis and treatment with antipsychotics in addition to testosterone or estrogen therapy.

 

[GiggityGoo]

The argument against is two fold....

1. trans kids aren't making it to adulthood.

Bunk. The suicide rate is the same post conversion.

2. Doing this shit after you've gone through puberty is much worse and painful. Blockers just by the person more time and they are (supposedly) 100% reversible (okay 99%).

The NHS disagrees with you. Which is why they recommend almost solely psychological therapy at the outset and the criteria that need to be met to be eligible for puberty blockers are extremely strict.

Edit: The Euros have their arms around this much better than we do, and we’d be wise to follow their league.

 

[Indianaftw]

A large majority of strongmen fascists play the pedo card on their enemies.

This is Jewish mutilating Christian children propaganda.

Same shit tactics, different decade.

Ohhhh my this why its spinning out of control right here. And do not bring me your defense about abortion! You are SOOOO predictable. The same people (YOU and the dems Tommy) when their leaders released covid, locked this country down, and had control through a virus, calls us fascists. You locked us down. ALL the DEM governors locked their people down and even had laws passed to NARC OUT neighbors for celebrating holidays. Churches could not even meet for worship. These governors placed old folks in COVID ridden nursing homes and watched them die!!! AND then these same DEM leaders went out without masks, and with large groups and spat in the face of its citizens????

Germany Tommy. You spew complete rhetoric!

We see you...

 

[TommyCracker]

Bunk. The suicide rate is the same post conversion.

The NHS disagrees with you. Which is why they recommend almost solely psychological therapy at the outset and the criteria that need to be met to be eligible for puberty blockers are extremely strict.

Edit: The Euros have their arms around this much better than we do, and we’d be wise to follow their league.

https://www.hcplive.com/view/suicid...gender-nonbinary-youths-gender-affirming-care

You can literally Google gender affirming care suicide rates and get a plethora of articles and studies on the findings so far.

Yes, supposedly the overwhelming majority of the gender affirming care is counseling.

 

[Indianaftw]

Please. "Alot" is not a word, you're looking for "a lot."

Stop with the english lessons its a blog. jeez man I dealt with moron correcting dolts when I was on the Buff board back in 2000. Yea, Boulder Colorado. It was Scout back then. Was on that board for years as one of the only conservatives in a liberal cesspool. You call yourself a conservative you have no idea what it was like debating over there. Thats all people could try and get me on when I was rolling was corrected english. When I'm rolling Im rolling. Get over it.

 

[Joe_Hoopsier]

These armed trannies are a danger none of us saw coming. I can’t think of a time on this board when we needed your words and guidance more pastor

You’re not trying to over recruit here are you coach? Is someone about to be creaned?

 

[TheOriginalHappyGoat]

They are setting these kids up for failure as adults. It will lead to a vast majority of these kids being on Medicare disability as adults. The taxpayers should not be responsible for this lifestyle choice. I realize I’m privy to diagnosis and treatment for young adults choosing this lifestyle that others are not. The ones that I have dealt with professionally have all had a gender dysphoria diagnosis and treatment with antipsychotics in addition to testosterone or estrogen therapy.

Forgive me. I'm under this silly impression that medical decisions should be based on what's best for the patient, and not on what's cheapest for the taxpayer. Crazy, I know.

 

[Aloha Hoosier]

Stop with the english lessons its a blog. jeez man I dealt with moron correcting dolts when I was on the Buff board back in 2000. Yea, Boulder Colorado. It was Scout back then. Was on that board for years as one of the only conservatives in a liberal cesspool. You call yourself a conservative you have no idea what it was like debating over there. Thats all people could try and get me on when I was rolling was corrected english. When I'm rolling Im rolling. Get over it.

I don't enjoy when those purportedly on my side look stupid. "Alot" is stupid.

Also, this isn't a blog.

 

[Spartans9312]

Forgive me. I'm under this silly impression that medical decisions should be based on what's best for the patient, and not on what's cheapest for the taxpayer. Crazy, I know.

It should not be a taxpayer covered lifestyle. Crazy, I know

 

[Bulk VanderHuge]

I don't enjoy when those purportedly on my side look stupid. "Alot" is stupid.

Also, this isn't a blog.

It goes much deeper than "alot" with this one...a lot deeper.

 

[Indianaftw]

I don't enjoy when those purportedly on my side look stupid. "Alot" is stupid.

Also, this isn't a blog.

Happy?

 

[TheOriginalHappyGoat]

It should not be a taxpayer covered lifestyle. Crazy, I know

Funny how medical treatment becomes a "lifestyle" when you don't like it. I think you've proven the point I made earlier.

 

[TommyCracker]

Ohhhh my this why its spinning out of control right here. And do not bring me your defense about abortion! You are SOOOO predictable. The same people (YOU and the dems Tommy) when their leaders released covid, locked this country down, and had control through a virus, calls us fascists. You locked us down. ALL the DEM governors locked their people down and even had laws passed to NARC OUT neighbors for celebrating holidays. Churches could not even meet for worship. These governors placed old folks in COVID ridden nursing homes and watched them die!!! AND then these same DEM leaders went out without masks, and with large groups and spat in the face of its citizens????

Germany Tommy. You spew complete rhetoric!

We see you...

I didn't call you Hitler, just gave an example of blanket accusations of pedophilia being used as a common tactic of strongmen and their fascist ideology.

Here's Putin a couple months ago saying the west are pedophiles.

https://en.royanews.tv/news/40077/2023-02-21

And here's Orban bringing in pedophilia language in his anti gay legislation to help sell it.

https://kafkadesk.org/2021/06/13/orbans-dirty-little-trick-conflating-pedophilia-with-homosexuality/

As I said, same tactic different decade.

 

[Joe_Hoopsier]

Trump can line up a whole room of pornstars to bang them all, one by one, with his tiny tool, and he can pay them all off. Nobody cares.

For the umpteenth time. He's not charged with banging porn stars or even with paying them off.

He is charged with business fraud, tax evasion, conspiracy, election law violations, etc. all related to MONEY LAUNDERING, through a lackey who already was convicted and went to jail for much of the same stuff, following orders of DJT, the orange messiah of GiggetyGoo.

is this hard?

BUELLER?

Idiot

 

[UncleMark]

Forgive me. I'm under this silly impression that medical decisions should be based on what's best for the patient, and not on what's cheapest for the taxpayer. Crazy, I know.

Reminds me of Death Panels.

 

[Spartans9312]

Funny how medical treatment becomes a "lifestyle" when you don't like it. I think you've proven the point I made earlier.

It isn’t a lifestyle?
Is there a chromosomal anomaly that I’m missing?
Or is it a disease? If so what is the diagnosis?

 

[Indianaftw]

I don't enjoy when those purportedly on my side look stupid. "Alot" is stupid.

Also, this isn't a blog.

I'm sorry whats really bothering you aloha? I didn't say Trump? You okay?

It goes much deeper than "alot" with this one...a lot deeper.

And you bulky, you ok? Go ahead get it out man. Call me all your names. That only works on people who have feelings. Read some of the above and learn where I came from. If you need direction let me know. You seemed to agree and understand a few months back. Sorry if I was so brazen and angered you. I'm reading again and trying to be more understanding of other people. What do you need man? Or the fact that I disagree with the trans movement has you angered? Whats up?

 

[TheOriginalHappyGoat]

It isn’t a lifestyle?
Is there a chromosomal anomaly that I’m missing?
Or is it a disease? If so what is the diagnosis?

Don't pretend you're trying to come up with a scientific description. We're talking about rhetoric here. It becomes a "lifestyle" when you disagree with it. Pretending otherwise is just dishonest. No one uses the word "lifestyle" about something they are cool with.

 

[Indianaftw]

I didn't call you Hitler, just gave an example of blanket accusations of pedophilia being used as a common tactic of strongmen and their fascist ideology.

Here's Putin a couple months ago saying the west are pedophiles.

https://en.royanews.tv/news/40077/2023-02-21

And here's Orban bringing in pedophilia language in his anti gay legislation to help sell it.

https://kafkadesk.org/2021/06/13/orbans-dirty-little-trick-conflating-pedophilia-with-homosexuality/

As I said, same tactic different decade.

My point is...Dems call Pubs fascists all the time when they are complete hypocrites about what they spew. You saw my post it was 100% correct.

 

[UncleMark]

It isn’t a lifestyle?
Is there a chromosomal anomaly that I’m missing?
Or is it a disease? If so what is the diagnosis?

Exactly the same argument was made twenty years ago about gays.

 

[jet812]

Funny how medical treatment becomes a "lifestyle" when you don't like it. I think you've proven the point I made earlier.

So should all boob jobs be covered or just the ones for men?

 

[Spartans9312]

Don't pretend you're trying to come up with a scientific description. We're talking about rhetoric here. It becomes a "lifestyle" when you disagree with it. Pretending otherwise is just dishonest. No one uses the word "lifestyle" about something they are cool with.

You’re dancing. You answered none of the questions and i don’t think it’s because you can’t.

 

[TheOriginalHappyGoat]

Exactly the same argument was made twenty years ago about gays.

To be fair to the other side, we're generally opposed to "treatment" for sexual preference, though. The medical aspect adds an extra layer to all of this.

 

[Joe_Hoopsier]

There is a book that explains it well. It's called a Bible. It explains the downward spiral of sin and unless you realize you need help it's just gonna spin out of control and get worse. If you read daily according to God's commandment you can break free and control those desires. Flesh wants to sin. The Bible helps you control that. Jus sayin.

Taking this to the next level that we are on the very beginning edge of…
Think about our new AI programs, being given an owners manual (the Bible) to read and adjust its AI actions accordingly.

Eons ago, we were the AI. God left behind the manual and then gave us free will to do, or to not do .

What will the new AI choose?

 

[TheOriginalHappyGoat]

You’re dancing. You answered none of the questions and i don’t think it’s because you can’t.

That's because your "questions" were nothing but avoidance.

 

[Spartans9312]

Exactly the same argument was made twenty years ago about gays.

What were the answers with regards to the “gays”?

 

[Spartans9312]

That's because your "questions" were nothing but avoidance.

Avoidance of what? Are they not pertaining to the topic?

 

[TheOriginalHappyGoat]

Avoidance of what? Are they not pertaining to the topic?

My point was about rhetoric. Not science. I'm saying that "you"* turn this into a "lifestyle" because you don't like this, and that this is a common rhetorical tactic. As Mark already pointed out, it's the same thing "you"* did with the gays.

*Obviously I don't mean "you" personally, just the faction of people that you currently represent in this discussion.

 

[GiggityGoo]

https://www.hcplive.com/view/suicid...gender-nonbinary-youths-gender-affirming-care

You can literally Google gender affirming care suicide rates and get a plethora of articles and studies on the findings so far.

Yes, supposedly the overwhelming majority of the gender affirming care is counseling.

We have data examining actual suicide rate. Not subjective feelings of anxiety, depression and suicidal ideation.

This is the largest and best study on the subject to date.

Long-Term Follow-Up of Transsexual Persons Undergoing Sex Reassignment Surgery: Cohort Study in Sweden

Context The treatment for transsexualism is sex reassignment, including hormonal treatment and surgery aimed at making the person's body as congruent with the opposite sex as possible. There is a dearth of long term, follow-up studies after sex reassignment. Objective To estimate mortality...

journals.plos.org

 

[Joe_Hoopsier]

Happy?

He’s not happy , he’s flipper. Totally different dwarf. Seldom heard of, but always a favorite of the ladies.

 

[Bulk VanderHuge]

I'm sorry whats really bothering you aloha? I didn't say Trump? You okay?

And you bulky, you ok? Go ahead get it out man. Call me all your names. That only works on people who have feelings. Read some of the above and learn where I came from. If you need direction let me know. You seemed to agree and understand a few months back. Sorry if I was so brazen and angered you. I'm reading again and trying to be more understanding of other people. What do you need man? Or the fact that I disagree with the trans movement has you angered? Whats up?

You mentioned "anger" twice. It's not even on the radar. I know it's essential to your feelings of self-worth to be able to convince yourself that you are provocative enough to elicit anger, or other strong feelings, from others.
At most, maybe a slight sense of pity. I guess I apologize if you have misread your impact on me...a message board can be a tricky format to discern the minds of others.

 

[Indianaftw]

Taking this to the next level that we are on the very beginning edge of…
Think about our new AI programs, being given an owners manual (the Bible) to read and adjust its AI actions accordingly.

Eons ago, we were the AI. God left behind the manual and then gave us free will to do, or to not do .

What will the new AI choose?

AI...I was discussing that the other day with my brother in Christ. Talk about delusion. Free will has run into this conversation topic on this board and the video on twitter you desired to see which is a tranny pit of hell. Dan got so mad I linked it you saw his response. As he wished I'll let it go. Look for my posts yesterday. Its sensitive content.

 

[UncleMark]

At most, maybe a slight sense of pity. I guess I apologize if you have misread your impact on me...a message board can be a tricky format to discern the minds of others.

You never know, this guy just might be yanking all our chains. If so, respect.

 

[UncleMark]

AI...I was discussing that the other day with my brother in Christ. Talk about delusion. Free will has run into this conversation topic on this board and the video on twitter you desired to see which is a tranny pit of hell. Dan got so mad I linked it you saw his response. As he wished I'll let it go. Look for my posts yesterday. Its sensitive content.

What post #? I must have missed it.

 

[Indianaftw]

You mentioned "anger" twice. It's not even on the radar. I know it's essential to your feelings of self-worth to be able to convince yourself that you are provocative enough to elicit anger, or other strong feelings, from others.
At most, maybe a slight sense of pity. I guess I apologize if you have misread your impact on me...a message board can be a tricky format to discern the minds of others.

OK, you not mad...Cool.

 

[Indianaftw]

What post #? I must have missed it.

Well then what was it that got me banned? Twice, and posts removed??? Please share...I mean usually there is a reason. Was it too many report buttons?

 

[TheOriginalHappyGoat]

AI...I was discussing that the other day with my brother in Christ. Talk about delusion. Free will has run into this conversation topic on this board and the video on twitter you desired to see which is a tranny pit of hell. Dan got so mad I linked it you saw his response. As he wished I'll let it go. Look for my posts yesterday. Its sensitive content.

Do you have any "brothers in Christ" who don't think exactly like you?