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Parenting and teenage parties

No but my dad's best friend owned a tavern where I spent nearly every Saturday with the old man in the mid/late 1970's from the time I was 8-ish years old until 13-ish. The day would start out the same. The old man would take me out around 7 am or so for a driving lesson at Ellenberger Park. Then we would hit Harold's Steer Inn for breakfast and to shoot the shit with Wilhelm, Yaggi and McLeish. We'd hit a few other places and end up at his buddy's bar around 11 am or so. The old man would drink with his pals, solve the world's problems and we would watch college football. They served great sandos there too around lunch. I would ferry drinks for drunks from the bar to the booths for tips. The old man would tell em not to, but they would slip the cash to me anyway. Was on a first name basis with the bookie Clarence. Hit my first 5 team parlay card at nine years old (75 bucks IIRC).

Those were some of my fondest life's memories, and I learned alot from them. Blessed I tells ya.
This….is awesome
 
Not all of us can live in BradStevens' neighborhood
That didn't happen in the neighborhood where I grew up, but it is an area I would say was my old stomping grounds. That was all middle class and considered the "snob" area just 20 to 25 years ago. It really has kind of gone downhill which is sad. Not that it is Uber dangerous but there have been some pretty high profile crazy things in areas that were like hangout spots for me as a pre-teen to teenager.


This was another. The reasons why are a tale as old as time.
 
Why? B/c some scrawny ass 5'9" 140 lb jerkoff has a gun. Being 6'1" 230 doesn't matter at that point.

Another problem we won't solve.
The article said he shot first and was killed in self defense after shooting 8 or 9 other people....
 
The article said he shot first and was killed in self defense after shooting 8 or 9 other people....
I get it. Was responding to why was he carrying in the first place. I suspect he thought there'd be trouble or was he was looking for it at the party. And that whoever he was to engage with was likely armed as well.

What a mess.
 
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I suspect he thought there'd be trouble or was he was looking for it at the party. And that whoever he was to engage with was likely armed as well.
Nope, from what I heard from the mother of one of the kids who were shot - 4 shots in his leg and knee -trouble started after he went to back door to avoid being checked for weapons at the front door. Yes, I guess that's normal party protocol now..

He was denied entry and he and his crew forced their way in. After an altercation with several party goers he began shooting randomly. One of the older kids that was shot was also armed - legally I assume as there's no charges against him - nailed him four times in the chest. Didn't seem to be premeditated ... nor was it gang or beef related.

Random drunk stupidity .. guns, kids and alcohol ..

This didn't happen in the ghetto, it's in a predominantly white middle class neighborhood. They charged the mother who owned the property today.
 
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So Brad Jr. went to his first high school party last night. Kid he knew since elementary school threw it. He and a neighbor went together (walked to it).

30 minutes later they're back at my house. They left because it was "boring." About 100 kids, lots of girls, some dressed in quite revealing Halloween outfits (learned this from another neighbor whose daughter went and stayed until the end). Lots of alcohol there--beer, liquor. Parents knew, supplied some, and were there at the time. When I asked, so what was boring about it, Brad Jr. said "they were just standing around listening to music." (I'm guessing part of it was fear).

By 10 pm, several kids were hammered (per my other source) including a few girls who were "crossed"--for the uninitiated, that means both high and drunk. The parents then told the kids to leave (many kids also brought backpacks of booze into the party, by the way) and when they didn't go quickly, called the cops on their own party and it was broken up by the police.

So, for parents out there, how do you feel about this? I'm OK with my son experiencing it (and kinda wished he had stayed longer to see actual drunk people act stupidly and just get used to an environment like that) but am really turned off by parents hosting a party with booze for 14 and 15 year olds. I guess I'm a full-fledged parent now, because all I could think of was, what happens if one of those kids gets hit by a car while walking home hammered (this is an urban suburb, so everything is pretty close)? Or the girls get harassed, or worse, walking around at night, drunk, in a sexy outfit?
We had a family nearby that threw parties and supplied their kids with booze on the assumption they'd be safer there than driving somewhere.

That worked until one of most popular kids in the school fell down the stairs and laid there all night because the other kids thought he'd just passed out drunk. Turns out he was drunk, but also dead - I don't think it's ever been determined if he died from the fall or alcohol poisoning.

I'm 100% against parents throwing parties for their kids with alcohol involved. When my daughter had kids over and they movie nights in the basement, they knew DANC could show up at any moment and I also spread the rumor I had hidden cameras down there (I didn't).

I'll never forget the first sleepover my daughter went to. Same deal as your son - she called us before midnight and wanted to come home. Evidently some of the adults who were there were smoking - freaked her out. "Dad, even the grandma smoked!". lol
 
We had a family nearby that threw parties and supplied their kids with booze on the assumption they'd be safer there than driving somewhere.

That worked until one of most popular kids in the school fell down the stairs and laid there all night because the other kids thought he'd just passed out drunk. Turns out he was drunk, but also dead - I don't think it's ever been determined if he died from the fall or alcohol poisoning.

I'm 100% against parents throwing parties for their kids with alcohol involved. When my daughter had kids over and they movie nights in the basement, they knew DANC could show up at any moment and I also spread the rumor I had hidden cameras down there (I didn't).

I'll never forget the first sleepover my daughter went to. Same deal as your son - she called us before midnight and wanted to come home. Evidently some of the adults who were there were smoking - freaked her out. "Dad, even the grandma smoked!". lol
My parents didn't ever supply the bad habits, but they also made it clear that if we engaged in bad habits, there was no judgment as long as we were safe. Stay where we were, or call them for a safe ride if needed.

I think that's the right balance. I mean, we still turned out f*cked up, but we're breathing and not in prison. And that's not a small accomplishment from where we came.
 
My parents didn't ever supply the bad habits, but they also made it clear that if we engaged in bad habits, there was no judgment as long as we were safe. Stay where we were, or call them for a safe ride if needed.

I think that's the right balance. I mean, we still turned out f*cked up, but we're breathing and not in prison. And that's not a small accomplishment from where we came.
That’s eventually what I plan. But 14 and booze won’t fly. I’ll pick her up once if that happens and it’ll be years before she gets a second chance
 
My parents didn't ever supply the bad habits, but they also made it clear that if we engaged in bad habits, there was no judgment as long as we were safe. Stay where we were, or call them for a safe ride if needed.

I think that's the right balance. I mean, we still turned out f*cked up, but we're breathing and not in prison. And that's not a small accomplishment from where we came.
That was the advantage of being poor and not part of the cool kids (and being a nerd).

Hell, I never even knew these type parties were going on until I was well into my senior year.
 
So Brad Jr. went to his first high school party last night. Kid he knew since elementary school threw it. He and a neighbor went together (walked to it).

30 minutes later they're back at my house. They left because it was "boring." About 100 kids, lots of girls, some dressed in quite revealing Halloween outfits (learned this from another neighbor whose daughter went and stayed until the end). Lots of alcohol there--beer, liquor. Parents knew, supplied some, and were there at the time. When I asked, so what was boring about it, Brad Jr. said "they were just standing around listening to music." (I'm guessing part of it was fear).

By 10 pm, several kids were hammered (per my other source) including a few girls who were "crossed"--for the uninitiated, that means both high and drunk. The parents then told the kids to leave (many kids also brought backpacks of booze into the party, by the way) and when they didn't go quickly, called the cops on their own party and it was broken up by the police.

So, for parents out there, how do you feel about this? I'm OK with my son experiencing it (and kinda wished he had stayed longer to see actual drunk people act stupidly and just get used to an environment like that) but am really turned off by parents hosting a party with booze for 14 and 15 year olds. I guess I'm a full-fledged parent now, because all I could think of was, what happens if one of those kids gets hit by a car while walking home hammered (this is an urban suburb, so everything is pretty close)? Or the girls get harassed, or worse, walking around at night, drunk, in a sexy outfit?
But,.... nobody died, right? Pat the boy on the back..... Then slowly go sneak to the party! DUH !
 
Cheez Whiz Never heard of Easy Cheese.
I thought the same thing, but I guess that's the Mandela Effect. In real life, Cheez Whiz was sauce in a jar, and the aerosol cans were Easy Cheese.

Unless you were talking about the sauce. But I wasn't. Ritz crackers only go with aerosol cheese.
 
I went down to the first floor “cafe/store” in bldg this morning and got a Mountain Dew and two slim Jim’s. Was embarrassed riding the elevator back up
Coporate/commerical real estate and property mgmt going to the birds. We have an office in the DFW area inside a larger commerical campus. The bldg this office is in (and we're talking 60 people alone in the office we've got) has no vending machines. None. Zero. YOu have to go three bldgs over to get a coke.

Wtf
 
Coporate/commerical real estate and property mgmt going to the birds. We have an office in the DFW area inside a larger commerical campus. The bldg this office is in (and we're talking 60 people alone in the office we've got) has no vending machines. None. Zero. YOu have to go three bldgs over to get a coke.

Wtf
Oh that’s brutal. Our bldg has everything. A gym. The equivalent of a full convenience store. It’s own bldg restaurant until I think 3. Then when the store is closed you pay with a card and help yourself to whatever.
 
Nope, from what I heard from the mother of one of the kids who were shot - 4 shots in his leg and knee -trouble started after he went to back door to avoid being checked for weapons at the front door. Yes, I guess that's normal party protocol now..

He was denied entry and he and his crew forced their way in. After an altercation with several party goers he began shooting randomly. One of the older kids that was shot was also armed - legally I assume as there's no charges against him - nailed him four times in the chest. Didn't seem to be premeditated ... nor was it gang or beef related.

Random drunk stupidity .. guns, kids and alcohol ..

This didn't happen in the ghetto, it's in a predominantly white middle class neighborhood. They charged the mother who owned the property today.

Yeah, this is smack in FW Snider's school district, and not too far from where I grew up. I don't know this specific neighborhood but back in the day it was likely considered a pretty nice suburban location. The whole area has been slipping over the years, as neighborhoods tends to do as people have moved northwest or southwest. My mom still lives there.
 
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Coporate/commerical real estate and property mgmt going to the birds. We have an office in the DFW area inside a larger commerical campus. The bldg this office is in (and we're talking 60 people alone in the office we've got) has no vending machines. None. Zero. YOu have to go three bldgs over to get a coke.

Wtf

Someone is missing out on a gold mine.
 
I tend to fancy myself as a expert in this field considering I've already had one kid graduate and currently have another ad a senior that is still going strong.

My oldest was definitely our problem child. She had the wild group of friends and would have been most likely to have been pregnant and dropped out, but she buckled down and got things done. That's not to say she didn't go a little HAM in her days. What we always said was we don't condone you drinking, but if you do, stay wherever you are but also we are just a phone call away, no judgement on our side. We had a tracker on her phone and she would tell us where she was going. She graduated after her junior year.

My current senior is a savage. She is very faith driven, so she really doesn't do the whole party scene very much. She's my kid that just Sunday night, went on a date with a guy and right after they got to the movies, in which he paid, she said she got the sense that he was wanting more so she hit him with the "I don't feel good, I've got cramps" excuse and just left. I couldn't have been more proud of her.

I think it comes down to you have to trust your kids to do the right thing, and if they don't, turn their mistake into a lesson for them to learn from. No one kid is the same, so my experience is probably going to be different then every one else's.

Just get them to college alive, that's always been the goal. We didn't want to shelter them so much that they wouldn't be independent enough to live on their own if they went away to college.
 
Yeah, this is smack in FW Snider's school district, and not too far from where I grew up. I don't know this specific neighborhood but back in the day it was likely considered a pretty nice suburban location. The whole area has been slipping over the years, as neighborhoods tends to do as people have moved northwest or southwest. My mom still lives there.
They have nice lot sizes, but it has never been a good neighborhood, at least for the last 30 years.
 
That didn't happen in the neighborhood where I grew up, but it is an area I would say was my old stomping grounds. That was all middle class and considered the "snob" area just 20 to 25 years ago. It really has kind of gone downhill which is sad. Not that it is Uber dangerous but there have been some pretty high profile crazy things in areas that were like hangout spots for me as a pre-teen to teenager.


This was another. The reasons why are a tale as old as time.
How no one was killed in that incident almost makes me believe in baby jesus. Very disturbing
 
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