Moms for Liberty, and the Fight to Ban Books

[DCGeneral]

Love what this conservative community did. This community - like many others - has an option for parents either to provide permission for their child to check out a book, or prevent any books by their child to be checked out period. But when that is not enough for some parents - many of whom have never even read any of the proposed banned books - this community assembled volunteer parents to READ and review all the books, and those parents voted on which ones contained improper materials for children.

This was a great reasoned approach to the MAGA culture wars waged against diversity and the LGBTQ+.

 

[IU_Hickory]

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Love what this conservative community did. This community - like many others - has an option for parents either to provide permission for their child to check out a book, or prevent any books by their child to be checked out period. But when that is not enough for some parents - many of whom have never even read any of the proposed banned books - this community assembled volunteer parents to READ and review all the books, and those parents voted on which ones contained improper materials for children.

This was a great reasoned approach to the MAGA culture wars waged against diversity and the LGBTQ+.

Nothing like a bunch of Karens trying to parent other people's children

 

[mcmurtry66]

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Love what this conservative community did. This community - like many others - has an option for parents either to provide permission for their child to check out a book, or prevent any books by their child to be checked out period. But when that is not enough for some parents - many of whom have never even read any of the proposed banned books - this community assembled volunteer parents to READ and review all the books, and those parents voted on which ones contained improper materials for children.

This was a great reasoned approach to the MAGA culture wars waged against diversity and the LGBTQ+.

Queen of the Carolina Sea Islands

 

[MyTeamIsOnTheFloor]

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Love what this conservative community did. This community - like many others - has an option for parents either to provide permission for their child to check out a book, or prevent any books by their child to be checked out period. But when that is not enough for some parents - many of whom have never even read any of the proposed banned books - this community assembled volunteer parents to READ and review all the books, and those parents voted on which ones contained improper materials for children.

This was a great reasoned approach to the MAGA culture wars waged against diversity and the LGBTQ+.

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i hope all the hate modeled for the little future inmates was worth it

 

[NewGuyToTheBoard]

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Love what this conservative community did. This community - like many others - has an option for parents either to provide permission for their child to check out a book, or prevent any books by their child to be checked out period. But when that is not enough for some parents - many of whom have never even read any of the proposed banned books - this community assembled volunteer parents to READ and review all the books, and those parents voted on which ones contained improper materials for children.

This was a great reasoned approach to the MAGA culture wars waged against diversity and the LGBTQ+.

M4L did not acquit themselves well in that interview. Also a major hatchet job from Pelley.

 

[DCGeneral]

Banning books has always been funny to me. My kids are out of college now, and they seem to be ok. But if they aren't, that is on my wife and I, not their teachers or schools.

If I were to be so afraid of a book corrupting my child, that would say a lot more about me than a teacher. It was on me to nurture my kids and provide an atmosphere where they could learn and thrive.

Kind of funny how Republicans used to always espouse less government, but now they want government to be the morality police.

 

[DCGeneral]

M4L did not acquit themselves well in that interview. Also a major hatchet job from Pelley.

They came across like many MAGAs - high on outrange, low on substance and/or intelligence.

I agree Pelley's commentary was too slanted. My brother's family used to attend his church and seemed like a nice guy.

 

[TheOriginalHappyGoat]

Banning books has always been funny to me. My kids are out of college now, and they seem to be ok. But if they aren't, that is on my wife and I, not their teachers or schools.

If I were to be so afraid of a book corrupting my child, that would say a lot more about me than a teacher. It was on me to nurture my kids and provide an atmosphere where they could learn and thrive.

Kind of funny how Republicans used to always espouse less government, but now they want government to be the morality police.

My parents were somewhat cautious about what we were allowed to watch on TV, but when it came to books, my dad had a strict rule: if I was capable of reading it, then that meant I was old enough to do so. No book was ever banned for me for any reason.

 

[NewGuyToTheBoard]

My parents were somewhat cautious about what we were allowed to watch on TV, but when it came to books, my dad had a strict rule: if I was capable of reading it, then that meant I was old enough to do so. No book was ever banned for me for any reason.

That rule is all well and good and no one is stopping parents from ordering Gender Queer” for their kids off Amazon.

 

[ulrey]

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Love what this conservative community did. This community - like many others - has an option for parents either to provide permission for their child to check out a book, or prevent any books by their child to be checked out period. But when that is not enough for some parents - many of whom have never even read any of the proposed banned books - this community assembled volunteer parents to READ and review all the books, and those parents voted on which ones contained improper materials for children.

This was a great reasoned approach to the MAGA culture wars waged against diversity and the LGBTQ+.

Thanks for sharing.

 

[CO. Hoosier]

One of my favorite oxymorons is visiting the “Banned books” section found in many bookstores. Even Amazon has a section of banned books for sale. https://www.amazon.com/b?nodl=1&ie=UTF8&node=7324011011&dplnkId=3bba2a90-7f27-4a9e-8933-8d52b42bea55

Ever since Carnegie built all the libraries, there have been squabbles about what books to shelve. Educators have for centuries squabbled over what books are suitable for young minds full of mush. big deal. Those disagreements are not book bans. Book choices are described as bans only to evoke thoughts if Nazis where books really were banned and burned. There are no book bans in the United States. Period. People call them bans only as a means to make political points.

I loved my Uncle Remus books when I was a small fry. I thought he was a wise man and the characters were pretty neat and clever. Those books were banned.

 

[mrhighlife]

The parents, teachers and administrations of each individual school district can choose whatever books they want to have in their libraries. The rest of us shouldn't spend more than a millisecond concerned about what some school district the next state over is doing.

 

[IU_Hickory]

The parents, teachers and administrations of each individual school district can choose whatever books they want to have in their libraries. The rest of us shouldn't spend more than a millisecond concerned about what some school district the next state over is doing.

And what do you do when a few parents don't agree with other parents, teachers and administrators?

Those disgruntled parents do a bit of fear mongering and lying to get school boards replaced and then they remove books at the objections of everyone else.

In a perfect world, your suggestion that adults work together is great. In the real world of Karens, that often isn't reality

 

[Ohio Guy]

One of my favorite oxymorons is visiting the “Banned books” section found in many bookstores. Even Amazon has a section of banned books for sale. https://www.amazon.com/b?nodl=1&ie=UTF8&node=7324011011&dplnkId=3bba2a90-7f27-4a9e-8933-8d52b42bea55

Ever since Carnegie built all the libraries, there have been squabbles about what books to shelve. Educators have for centuries squabbled over what books are suitable for young minds full of mush. big deal. Those disagreements are not book bans. Book choices are described as bans only to evoke thoughts if Nazis where books really were banned and burned. There are no book bans in the United States. Period. People call them bans only as a means to make political points.

I loved my Uncle Remus books when I was a small fry. I thought he was a wise man and the characters were pretty neat and clever. Those books were banned.

This is a little more than disingenuous. There are school districts and counties across the country banning books.

 

[outside shooter]

Book choices are described as bans only to evoke thoughts if Nazis where books really were banned and burned. There are no book bans in the United States. Period. People call them bans only as a means to make political points.

let's consult Webster

ban (verb)
1) legal or formal prohibition
2) censure or condemnation especially through social pressure

By the first definition, if a teacher is legally or formally prohibited from assigning a certain book, then indeed that book has been banned from that classroom. This is the definition that is applied, in a very common-sense manner, to MAGA-related book banning in communities in the USA. Sure, such bans are limited to local jurisdictions and there are no Federally-applied bans in existence, to my knowledge (other than things like bans on child porn).

#1 seems spot on.

By the second definition, even a protest movement to remove a book from a curriculum or to threaten a teacher with firing over a book choice is a ban. Not sure I agree with this one, but that's what it says: https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/ban

 

[Bloom.]

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Love what this conservative community did. This community - like many others - has an option for parents either to provide permission for their child to check out a book, or prevent any books by their child to be checked out period. But when that is not enough for some parents - many of whom have never even read any of the proposed banned books - this community assembled volunteer parents to READ and review all the books, and those parents voted on which ones contained improper materials for children.

This was a great reasoned approach to the MAGA culture wars waged against diversity and the LGBTQ+.

Their quest to find and rout out CRT didn't amount to anything, so now it's about the books.

 

[Bloom.]

One of my favorite oxymorons is visiting the “Banned books” section found in many bookstores. Even Amazon has a section of banned books for sale. https://www.amazon.com/b?nodl=1&ie=UTF8&node=7324011011&dplnkId=3bba2a90-7f27-4a9e-8933-8d52b42bea55

Ever since Carnegie built all the libraries, there have been squabbles about what books to shelve. Educators have for centuries squabbled over what books are suitable for young minds full of mush. big deal. Those disagreements are not book bans. Book choices are described as bans only to evoke thoughts if Nazis where books really were banned and burned. There are no book bans in the United States. Period. People call them bans only as a means to make political points.

I loved my Uncle Remus books when I was a small fry. I thought he was a wise man and the characters were pretty neat and clever. Those books were banned.

You're stupefyingly wrong.

 

[ButHerEmails]

Nothing like a bunch of Karens trying to parent other people's children

I heard the Klanned Karenhood chicks are into three ways.

 

[mrhighlife]

And what do you do when a few parents don't agree with other parents, teachers and administrators?

Those disgruntled parents do a bit of fear mongering and lying to get school boards replaced and then they remove books at the objections of everyone else.

In a perfect world, your suggestion that adults work together is great. In the real world of Karens, that often isn't reality

No no. I'm saying that issues at a school district 1000 miles from me isn't a something I should spend too much time worrying about. Media plays these things up so we all just fight. Fighting garners more clicks and views than apathy.

It's like being in northern Indiana and thinking the border issues are something I should lose sleep about. It's not. It's an issue for sure. But not even in the top 50 of issues someone from northern Indiana should worry greatly about.

 

[CO. Hoosier]

This is a little more than disingenuous. There are school districts and counties across the country banning books.

No they aren’t. They are choosing Books. Using the word “banned” in this context is just more faux outrage that plagues all aspects of social and policy disagreements. It’s another separator and I’m sick of it. People can’t disagree with something without feeling or feigning outrage.. this forum has become a perfect example.

 

[IU_Hickory]

No no. I'm saying that issues at a school district 1000 miles from me isn't a something I should spend too much time worrying about. Media plays these things up so we all just fight. Fighting garners more clicks and views than apathy.

It's like being in northern Indiana and thinking the border issues are something I should lose sleep about. It's not. It's an issue for sure. But not even in the top 50 of issues someone from northern Indiana should worry greatly about.

I don't lose sleep over it or anything. Got other crap to worry about. But even like an atrocity that is far away, I will have an opinion on it being wrong.

 

[Ohio Guy]

No they aren’t. They are choosing Books. Using the word “banned” in this context is just more faux outrage that plagues all aspects of social and policy disagreements. It’s another separator and I’m sick of it. People can’t disagree with something without feeling or feigning outrage.. this forum has become a perfect example.

At least in some instances, when these school districts are “choosing” books, they’re also listing books that can’t be chosen.

Through your lens, I guess there was never any segregation. City and state officials merely “chose” which entrances and drinking fountains certain people could use.

 

[CO. Hoosier]

let's consult Webster

ban (verb)
1) legal or formal prohibition
2) censure or condemnation especially through social pressure

By the first definition, if a teacher is legally or formally prohibited from assigning a certain book, then indeed that book has been banned from that classroom. This is the definition that is applied, in a very common-sense manner, to MAGA-related book banning in communities in the USA. Sure, such bans are limited to local jurisdictions and there are no Federally-applied bans in existence, to my knowledge (other than things like bans on child porn).

#1 seems spot on.

By the second definition, even a protest movement to remove a book from a curriculum or to threaten a teacher with firing over a book choice is a ban. Not sure I agree with this one, but that's what it says: https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/ban

A school system telling a teacher which books to use or not use is not a ban. All this topic is is a tool to virtue signal or bash people, it’s not about Huckleberry Finn.

 

[mrhighlife]

No they aren’t. They are choosing Books. Using the word “banned” in this context is just more faux outrage that plagues all aspects of social and policy disagreements. It’s another separator and I’m sick of it. People can’t disagree with something without feeling or feigning outrage.. this forum has become a perfect example.

Semantics. They are banning books. However it's there right to do so. Don't like it? Change people minds. Run for the school. Vote out people doing the banning.

And the feigning outrage thing works both ways. Everything the right disagrees with is WOKE!

 

[CO. Hoosier]

Through your lens, I guess there was never any segregation. City and state officials merely “chose” which entrances and drinking fountains certain people could use.

Oh please. We are talking about books not people. A kid got suspended for chewing his pop tart into the shape of a gun. Are pop tarts banned?

 

[IU_Hickory]

Semantics. They are banning books. However it's there right to do so. Don't like it? Change people minds. Run for the school. Vote out people doing the banning.

And the feigning outrage thing works both ways. Everything the right disagrees with is WOKE!

Unfortunately I am outnumbered by the idiots when it came to voting on the school board. But I did exercise my right to vote and learned which people running were trying to ban books. So gave it the old college try.

 

[CO. Hoosier]

Semantics. They are banning books. However it's there right to do so. Don't like it? Change people minds. Run for the school. Vote out people doing the banning.

And the feigning outrage thing works both ways. Everything the right disagrees with is WOKE!

They are not banning books. Everybody who lives in the jurisdiction of the school district can read said books.

 

[Ohio Guy]

Oh please. We are talking about books not people. A kid got suspended for chewing his pop tart into the shape of a gun. Are pop tarts banned?

I was talking about doors and drinking fountains. And books.

All things people are or aren’t allowed to use, depending on the time and circumstance.

 

[TDHoosier]

Banning books has always been funny to me. My kids are out of college now, and they seem to be ok. But if they aren't, that is on my wife and I, not their teachers or schools.

If I were to be so afraid of a book corrupting my child, that would say a lot more about me than a teacher. It was on me to nurture my kids and provide an atmosphere where they could learn and thrive.

Kind of funny how Republicans used to always espouse less government, but now they want government to be the morality police.

You are correct, I would just ban certain books to be read in my home. If challenged most school boards and school officials cower down, luckily I never faced this challenge when it came to books but other things I did and I'm proud to say I retired undefeated.

 

[mattndallas]

Yeah, a little overboard.

Just as libs banning Mockingbird and Huck Finn is a stretch, the only real concern I would have is "picture books" with kids giving blowjobs, etc being made available to elementary school kids. HS kids...whatever.

Even then, 95% of the elem-aged kids that found the books to begin with would just laugh at them. The other 5% were probably pre-destined to end up with a dick in their mouth sooner than later anyway...so whatever.