It never is for you guys. Ever.
Walker in Georgia
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he's a conservative. voted conservative since the mid 1800s but became a far left woke radical when trump won. damndest thing. people change
Dumb.
I have never claimed to be a super-conservative. I truthfully talked about being a Lugar Republican and then a right-leaning registered independent for most of my adult life. I truthfully talked about voting GOP for POTUS in 1980, 84, 88, 92, 96, 2000, 04, 08, and 2012.
Things have indeed changed, with the GOP. In the years I leaned that way, it was not tied to cult worship, to science denialism, to social stances driven by religious fanaticism, to open disdain for non-whites, to a scary "we are being replaced" mindset. I could go on.
Your political idols have been going in a scary direction, even veering toward anti-democracy.
Yes. You are indeed dumb. And full of shit. Your posts belie your proclamations. Glad I’m not on ignore tho….
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And my ignore list is growing. It takes a special sort of turd to join it.
I don’t think you can add yourself to the ignore list 🥳
"By all accounts Oz has been making a great effort to go out an meet the voters across PA and listen to their issues."- Fetterman as far back as April...
Interesting that you believe Fetterman “helped people” because he was a community activist and the mayor of an 1800 person town that "saw crime rise and population drop during his tenure."
"saw crime rise and population drop during his tenure."- Credible link?
The "welcome to Braddock" sign that Fetterman saw when he first visited Braddock had "crips" scrawled in graffiti across it. You claim the town's population dropped after he took over as Mayor?
67 yr old Current Mayor of Braddock in article posted yesterday...Pretty sure more Black citizens of Braddock have a favorable opinion of JF, than Black citizens of Wrightsville, GA have of Herschel...
“Fetterman came to town as a teacher and educator and started educating our children and helping them to get their education and to get jobs,” she said. “And so then he decided to run for Braddock mayor.”
More from the WITF article just published...
"Two weeks after Fetterman took office in 2006, he showed up to the scene of his first homicide. A pizza delivery man had been killed during a robbery – the latest homicide after there had been multiple homicides three out of the previous four years in Braddock, a town with less than 3,000 residents.
“I think it’s time we do something” to make the street safer, Fetterman told reporters at the scene. “You have kids here with nowhere else to go and this happens.”
For Fetterman, doing something meant showing up at crime scenes, hosting gun buyback events, providing youth programs – even tattooing the dates of borough homicides on his forearm.
And" while there were multiple killings in Fetterman’s first two years in office, homicides did drop in his first term as mayor. The borough went without one for more than five years between May of 2008 and September of 2013."
Multiple is a relative term, as the official record shows a total of 10 in the 13 yrs he was Mayor.
In Braddock, John Fetterman’s record on crime is more complex than political ads would have you believe | WITF
When it comes to criminal justice, the race for Pennsylvania’s seat in the United States Senate could be the most consequential race in the country.
www.witf.org
I'd say on the issue of "crime" this analysis is fair and accurate...
Broader crime trends are hard to interpret, because of a lack of solid numbers. Police are supposed to report their crime data to the FBI, but many small departments don’t do a thorough job. FBI statistics show that during Fetterman’s tenure there were only two homicides, for example – even though the county medical examiner’s records show there were 10.
"Oz has used the incomplete FBI data to say that the number of serious crimes, such as assault and robberies, increased during Fetterman’s tenure. But the rise in crime was more of a blip, only reaching about a quarter as high as it did in the 1980s and 1990s, and the spike lasted only a year or two. For most of Fetterman’s tenure, major crimes remained at historically low levels.
But the data also undermines one of Fetterman’s core arguments: that he deserves credit for reducing crime. The FBI data shows that crimes like burglaries had already fallen years before he took office, in a period when crime was falling all across the country."
Sadly the graph illustrating this point, as well as the one showing how the police budget went from 18% to 25% under JF, did not paste. However, the info is in the link, and it tells the nuanced story of a White Mayor dealing with gang violence in a majority Black, economically depressed area.
My question is if you're going to dismiss JF living ( still today as the LT Governor) in what is an area trying to recover from urban blight and say his experience administering the Govt is "insignificant", what in the world has Oz done that even comes close to having any Governing experience? He lives in a Mansion in NJ, or a number of other spots outside of PA, and his experience with inner cities is likely relegated to occasionally driving thru a Philly neighborhood or a non-Manhattan borough of NYC or a depressed area of Miami, or maybe even a slum in Istanbul.
"Fetterman, when he does speak, mumbles some unintelligible nonsense about crudite, New Jersey and mansions. There’s no meat on his bone."
This is regrettable, as if you're channeling your inner Herschel Walker. Hopefully you regret posting something so ridiculously stupid-making fun of someone who has suffered a stroke, but is certainly intelligent and can even present a slide show and discuss issues like "crime rates" in a non-political setting based on FACTS. Maybe not, maybe you really believe the lies the Oz camp spews about Fetterman's intelligence. Difference between JF and HW- Fetterman's issues are temporary he certainly doesn't "mumble" in this video...
Again this is from 2012, so no political axe to grind. Just a guy sharing with interested people the steps he was undertaking to improve lives and make things better. Discussion of crime decrease starts about 12:30 mark...
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Cosmo, is that the crazy white guy that chased down a black jogger with a shotgun? Personally, I try not to vote for racist white guys who stalk black people for jogging. I’m sure, you being a man of integrity, are appalled by his blatant racism and poor overall judgment."By all accounts Oz has been making a great effort to go out an meet the voters across PA and listen to their issues."- Fetterman as far back as April...
Interesting that you believe Fetterman “helped people” because he was a community activist and the mayor of an 1800 person town that "saw crime rise and population drop during his tenure."
"saw crime rise and population drop during his tenure."- Credible link?
The "welcome to Braddock" sign that Fetterman saw when he first visited Braddock had "crips" scrawled in graffiti across it. You claim the town's population dropped after he took over as Mayor?
67 yr old Current Mayor of Braddock in article posted yesterday...Pretty sure more Black citizens of Braddock have a favorable opinion of JF, than Black citizens of Wrightsville, GA have of Herschel...
“Fetterman came to town as a teacher and educator and started educating our children and helping them to get their education and to get jobs,” she said. “And so then he decided to run for Braddock mayor.”
More from the WITF article just published...
"Two weeks after Fetterman took office in 2006, he showed up to the scene of his first homicide. A pizza delivery man had been killed during a robbery – the latest homicide after there had been multiple homicides three out of the previous four years in Braddock, a town with less than 3,000 residents.
“I think it’s time we do something” to make the street safer, Fetterman told reporters at the scene. “You have kids here with nowhere else to go and this happens.”
For Fetterman, doing something meant showing up at crime scenes, hosting gun buyback events, providing youth programs – even tattooing the dates of borough homicides on his forearm.
And" while there were multiple killings in Fetterman’s first two years in office, homicides did drop in his first term as mayor. The borough went without one for more than five years between May of 2008 and September of 2013."
Multiple is a relative term, as the official record shows a total of 10 in the 13 yrs he was Mayor.
In Braddock, John Fetterman’s record on crime is more complex than political ads would have you believe | WITF
When it comes to criminal justice, the race for Pennsylvania’s seat in the United States Senate could be the most consequential race in the country.
I'd say on the issue of "crime" this analysis is fair and accurate...
Broader crime trends are hard to interpret, because of a lack of solid numbers. Police are supposed to report their crime data to the FBI, but many small departments don’t do a thorough job. FBI statistics show that during Fetterman’s tenure there were only two homicides, for example – even though the county medical examiner’s records show there were 10.
"Oz has used the incomplete FBI data to say that the number of serious crimes, such as assault and robberies, increased during Fetterman’s tenure. But the rise in crime was more of a blip, only reaching about a quarter as high as it did in the 1980s and 1990s, and the spike lasted only a year or two. For most of Fetterman’s tenure, major crimes remained at historically low levels.
But the data also undermines one of Fetterman’s core arguments: that he deserves credit for reducing crime. The FBI data shows that crimes like burglaries had already fallen years before he took office, in a period when crime was falling all across the country."
Sadly the graph illustrating this point, as well as the one showing how the police budget went from 18% to 25% under JF, did not paste. However, the info is in the link, and it tells the nuanced story of a White Mayor dealing with gang violence in a majority Black, economically depressed area.
My question is if you're going to dismiss JF living ( still today as the LT Governor) in what is an area trying to recover from urban blight and say his experience administering the Govt is "insignificant", what in the world has Oz done that even comes close to having any Governing experience? He lives in a Mansion in NJ, or a number of other spots outside of PA, and his experience with inner cities is likely relegated to occasionally driving thru a Philly neighborhood or a non-Manhattan borough of NYC or a depressed area of Miami, or maybe even a slum in Istanbul.
"Fetterman, when he does speak, mumbles some unintelligible nonsense about crudite, New Jersey and mansions. There’s no meat on his bone."
This is regrettable, as if you're channeling your inner Herschel Walker. Hopefully you regret posting something so ridiculously stupid-making fun of someone who has suffered a stroke, but is certainly intelligent and can even present a slide show and discuss issues like "crime rates" in a non-political setting based on FACTS. Maybe not, maybe you really believe the lies the Oz camp spews about Fetterman's intelligence. Difference between JF and HW- Fetterman's issues are temporary he certainly doesn't "mumble" in this video...
Again this is from 2012, so no political axe to grind. Just a guy sharing with interested people the steps he was undertaking to improve lives and make things better. Discussion of crime decrease starts about 12:30 mark...
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Warnock is a US Senator, duly elected. None of us here (except Sope) voted for him- he conducted a campaign and ran in GA. As far as I can tell, none of the claims any of you are making have any relation to the past 2 yrs when he served as a Senator...Basically the people of GA made a decision on what were issues in 2020-21, and I'm pretty sure all of these issues were discussed by Kelly Loefler...
OTOH, Herschel (who coincidentally fired his campaign political director today)
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is a first time candidate who is being judged by the voters for the first time. That is the power of INCUMBENCY, whether Dem or GOP, and a major reason why Incumbents have a built in advantage. It's the devil you know, as opposed to the devil you could get stuck with. Incumbents lose when people don't like them, but for most of this race Dems and Independents have liked Warnock. You guys keep trying to create some false equivalency, but from what little I know about the history of this race, none of these allegations vs Warnock are NEW.
Ron Johnson (WI) is a slimeball, but the only scandals that are going to have any chance of working against him are those that have occurred since his most RECENT race. Anything else that was used to attack him previously is not going to work- because the events are already baked in. Only if there are new revelations, is anybody who has paid attention at all going to be influenced either way. It's the same way with Warnock in GA- I'm not aware of any of this not being discussed in 2020-21.
And speaking of new revelations. Herschel's baby momma now says he wanted her to get a 2nd abortion, but she decided she was ready for a child. One can only speculate how whichever of Herschel's kids this applies to will react to discovering his father didn't want him. That might be a huge reason the woman isn't trying to keep her id secret...
Woman tells New York Times Herschel Walker asked her to have second abortion | CNN Politics
The woman who said Georgia Senate hopeful Herschel Walker paid for her 2009 abortion, setting off a controversy that has rocked his campaign, told The New York Times that the Republican nominee asked her to terminate a second pregnancy two years later.
Why did the political director get fired? Did they blame him because he believed Herschel when he assured his team there were no more skeletons in his closet?
I think he chased down a criminal. In a town with close to 80% Black population, there is a fair chance the guy would be black.
Again I feel pretty confidant that despite Oz's trying to create controversy, the Black citizens of Braddock have a far more favorable opinion of Fetterman than the way the Black citizens of Wrightsville (HW's hometown) feel about him...
I know wingnut media has lambasted the NYT story, but this article from Politico is from a year ago and says basically the same thing about Blacks view of Herschel...
The Origins of Herschel Walker’s Complicated Views on Race
He has often remained silent when asked to take sides. Running for Senate in Georgia, that might not be possible.
www.politico.com
No, he didn’t chase down a criminal. Unless you’re trying to make the argument all black joggers are criminals? The guy was unarmed and not a criminal. Fetterman chased him down and pointed a shotgun at his chest. I realize he is a Democrat, but that seems pretty f#cked up, doesn’t it?I think he chased down a criminal. In a town with close to 80% Black population, there is a fair chance the guy would be black.
Again I feel pretty confidant that despite Oz's trying to create controversy, the Black citizens of Braddock have a far more favorable opinion of Fetterman than the way the Black citizens of Wrightsville (HW's hometown) feel about him...
I know wingnut media has lambasted the NYT story, but this article from Politico is from a year ago and says basically the same thing about Blacks view of Herschel...
The Origins of Herschel Walker’s Complicated Views on Race
He has often remained silent when asked to take sides. Running for Senate in Georgia, that might not be possible.
I'll do Hershel:
According to most of the right wingers here, abortion = murder. So, either they don't believe abortion is murder so it's okay that he paid for two of his children to be murdered or Walker is guilty of murder.
Bottom line, it's more important for them to vote in a murderer than to actually have the Christian morals they so loudly preach.
https://www.thedailybeast.com/hersc...es-out-to-his-abortion-accuser-georgia-senate. Some more receipts for Dan, who thinks we were duped by the Walker story. He’s still proclaiming he doesn’t know the woman, but his wife texts her and he had another child with her. I guess Herschel thinks he has that same Trump magic that none of his supporters will believe he did wrong, even when it’s staring them right in the face.
Oh, I'm so glad you posted that. No one here caught the reference.For the uninitiated:
Howl, by Allen Ginsberg:
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Thanks so much for enlightening us - we're fortunate you deign to post here.
Wait - are you saying a politician is taking a position for political expediency?
Stop the presses - this needs to be broadcast to everyone!
C'mon, Hoops. We're all flawed. Haven't you knocked up multiple women you're not married to? And been an absentee dad to all the kids you've fathered? And put a gun to someone's head? And, when all is said and done, admitted that you're not very smart? Shouldn't a red carpet to the United States Senate be rolled out for someone like that?
You thought that intelligence is an asset? You've heard that character matters? And that a fish rots from the head down? Bullshit. Any lowlife should be able to serve in the US Senate. As long as they've got some name recognition and they're parroting the approved talking points, they're qualified.
What was I supposed to see? I saw no proof that the woman had an abortion. Isn't that the charge?
I know this isn't in Spanish, but you can use The Google to translate if for you:
Uh Oh, Woman Herschel Walker Paid To Have Abortion Is The Mother Of One Of His Kids
A lot of things happened. Here are some of the things. This is TPM’s Morning Memo. The woman who came forward with receipts and a signed "get well" card revealing that Georgia GOP Senate nominee…
talkingpointsmemo.com
At least he was Christian enough to send a get well card to her after she had her abortion (or as you call it, murder):
Where's the bill for the abortion?I know this isn't in Spanish, but you can use The Google to translate if for you:
Uh Oh, Woman Herschel Walker Paid To Have Abortion Is The Mother Of One Of His Kids
A lot of things happened. Here are some of the things. This is TPM’s Morning Memo. The woman who came forward with receipts and a signed "get well" card revealing that Georgia GOP Senate nominee…talkingpointsmemo.com
If Walker was supposedly paying her anyway, where is the evidence the $700 went for an abortion?
No reference to an abortion?At least he was Christian enough to send a get well card to her after she had her abortion (or as you call it, murder):
Are you really this gullible?
Maybe you'd like him better if he stopped authorities from questioning his staff about sexual child abuse at one of his camps?
"The former girlfriend, however, provided a receipt for the abortion clinic and a check sent by Walker to her in a “get well” card days later. In addition, a close friend of the woman said they were told about the abortion at the time and corroborated details of her account."
Hell let's let Herschel do Herschel. It's hard for anyone to match this level of, well whatever you wanna call it...
"By all accounts Oz has been making a great effort to go out an meet the voters across PA and listen to their issues."- Fetterman as far back as April...
Interesting that you believe Fetterman “helped people” because he was a community activist and the mayor of an 1800 person town that "saw crime rise and population drop during his tenure."
"saw crime rise and population drop during his tenure."- Credible link?
The "welcome to Braddock" sign that Fetterman saw when he first visited Braddock had "crips" scrawled in graffiti across it. You claim the town's population dropped after he took over as Mayor?
67 yr old Current Mayor of Braddock in article posted yesterday...Pretty sure more Black citizens of Braddock have a favorable opinion of JF, than Black citizens of Wrightsville, GA have of Herschel...
“Fetterman came to town as a teacher and educator and started educating our children and helping them to get their education and to get jobs,” she said. “And so then he decided to run for Braddock mayor.”
More from the WITF article just published...
"Two weeks after Fetterman took office in 2006, he showed up to the scene of his first homicide. A pizza delivery man had been killed during a robbery – the latest homicide after there had been multiple homicides three out of the previous four years in Braddock, a town with less than 3,000 residents.
“I think it’s time we do something” to make the street safer, Fetterman told reporters at the scene. “You have kids here with nowhere else to go and this happens.”
For Fetterman, doing something meant showing up at crime scenes, hosting gun buyback events, providing youth programs – even tattooing the dates of borough homicides on his forearm.
And" while there were multiple killings in Fetterman’s first two years in office, homicides did drop in his first term as mayor. The borough went without one for more than five years between May of 2008 and September of 2013."
Multiple is a relative term, as the official record shows a total of 10 in the 13 yrs he was Mayor.
In Braddock, John Fetterman’s record on crime is more complex than political ads would have you believe | WITF
When it comes to criminal justice, the race for Pennsylvania’s seat in the United States Senate could be the most consequential race in the country.
I'd say on the issue of "crime" this analysis is fair and accurate...
Broader crime trends are hard to interpret, because of a lack of solid numbers. Police are supposed to report their crime data to the FBI, but many small departments don’t do a thorough job. FBI statistics show that during Fetterman’s tenure there were only two homicides, for example – even though the county medical examiner’s records show there were 10.
"Oz has used the incomplete FBI data to say that the number of serious crimes, such as assault and robberies, increased during Fetterman’s tenure. But the rise in crime was more of a blip, only reaching about a quarter as high as it did in the 1980s and 1990s, and the spike lasted only a year or two. For most of Fetterman’s tenure, major crimes remained at historically low levels.
But the data also undermines one of Fetterman’s core arguments: that he deserves credit for reducing crime. The FBI data shows that crimes like burglaries had already fallen years before he took office, in a period when crime was falling all across the country."
Sadly the graph illustrating this point, as well as the one showing how the police budget went from 18% to 25% under JF, did not paste. However, the info is in the link, and it tells the nuanced story of a White Mayor dealing with gang violence in a majority Black, economically depressed area.
My question is if you're going to dismiss JF living ( still today as the LT Governor) in what is an area trying to recover from urban blight and say his experience administering the Govt is "insignificant", what in the world has Oz done that even comes close to having any Governing experience? He lives in a Mansion in NJ, or a number of other spots outside of PA, and his experience with inner cities is likely relegated to occasionally driving thru a Philly neighborhood or a non-Manhattan borough of NYC or a depressed area of Miami, or maybe even a slum in Istanbul.
"Fetterman, when he does speak, mumbles some unintelligible nonsense about crudite, New Jersey and mansions. There’s no meat on his bone."
This is regrettable, as if you're channeling your inner Herschel Walker. Hopefully you regret posting something so ridiculously stupid-making fun of someone who has suffered a stroke, but is certainly intelligent and can even present a slide show and discuss issues like "crime rates" in a non-political setting based on FACTS. Maybe not, maybe you really believe the lies the Oz camp spews about Fetterman's intelligence. Difference between JF and HW- Fetterman's issues are temporary he certainly doesn't "mumble" in this video...
Again this is from 2012, so no political axe to grind. Just a guy sharing with interested people the steps he was undertaking to improve lives and make things better. Discussion of crime decrease starts about 12:30 mark...
You don't get it Cosmic. He's not a talk show host who has hundreds of millions of dollars. I'm sure the people calling Fetterman, who has spent his entire professional career trying to help people, are all multi-multi-millionaires with 6 or 7 houses around the globe. You see, if you aren't, you're a loser!
