Walker in Georgia

[Bowlmania]

Oz has spent plenty of his life in PA, but you knew that.

I reject the idea that congress needs to be filled with lawyers and career politicians. Craftsmen, doctors, athletes, businessmen, a broader array of professional experiences could do this country some good.

He's a highly educated celebrity, shops for veggie platters at Redner's and calls the vegetables "crudite." Sounds like a beta male.

We need more self-proclaimed dolts, domestic violence perps, men who have kids out of wedlock with multiple women and retired running backs running for senate. Or, even better, all of that rolled into one. Go Herschel!

 

[cosmickid]

Is running over your wife's foot with a car not a crime?

Oh, I thought unsubstantiated claims were taken as gospel now?

When did that change?

Why are you guys pathetically trying to relitigate issues that were settled in 2020? Here are two news reports that were posted and appeared on two different Atlanta stations 2 weeks before the Jan 2021 runoff. Is there some new evidence you want to point to beyond what is shown here in police body cam video, as well as the statements of the EMTs who examined her foot, which she initially tried to avoid? Not to mention Kelly Loeffler grandstanding and pretending that a claim of running over a foot (which was remarkably uninjured) constitutes "domestic abuse"...

If this had just happened it would make sense to bring it up. But how desperate does a political party have to be to bring up an issue that people didn't believe or care about when they voted previously, without giving people any reason to even consider changing their opinion? Loeffler was the heavy favorite in that race, did her best to tarnish his reputation and didn't convince anyone she was the better candidate. And Herschel makes Kelly look like a Mensa scholar...

 

[Bowlmania]

Why are you guys pathetically trying to relitigate issues that were settled in 2020?

Because false equivalences are all they've got. And because there's not a single Trump-backed candidate who they wouldn't enthusiastically support, no matter how stupid, no matter how disgraceful.

 

[Ohio Guy]

Not true. Her claims were investigated and found to be false. So far we’ve seen the card from him and we’ve found out she had another baby with him, which he doesn’t deny. He did say he doesn’t know her though. Lol

Walker's son is also very publicly backing this story too.

 

[outside shooter]

He did say he doesn’t know her though. Lol

It can be very difficult to remember someone you've only impregnated twice, apparently. He must have been very "busy"

 

[cosmickid]

Oz has spent plenty of his life in PA, but you knew that.

I reject the idea that congress needs to be filled with lawyers and career politicians. Craftsmen, doctors, athletes, businessmen, a broader array of professional experiences could do this country some good.

Really, plenty of his life? He owns 10+ properties and the only one he bought in PA was 1 year ago, about the time he decided to run for office. So exactly where did he live in PA, all those years (plenty of his life) that he spent in PA...

Don't ascribe ridiculous claims you falsely believe to me, I know better. You're swallowing a lot of BS nonsense put out about Fetterman by the GOP. I'd say Fetterman is pretty experienced in "helping people" considering that he had a pretty vast array of volunteer experience in groups that help youth/families, prior to being sent to Braddock initially as a representative of Americorps. That followed his undergraduate days playing college football and his MBA from UCONN and his MPP from Harvard...

Only GOP and GOP voters could somehow mischaracterize a 12 or 13 year span of working as a Mayor and simultaneously working in Community Involvement as a "bad thing" based on the amount of money he did/did not earn. He didn't live off the taxpayers of PA with his $300/month salary as Mayor, so if his family helped him out so he could continue to help others, I don't see anything wrong with that.

I don't really follow the world of Ted Talks, but I know that they try and engage with successful people and have them share their secrets. So for Fetterman as a small town Mayor to be chosen for at least 4 (possibly more) Ted lectures thruout 2012-13, somebody had to feel like he was more than the bum you try to paint him as. He was one of the speakers chosen to discuss Renovation at this 2013 Ted event in Pittsburgh Again, he was invited to speak on multiple occasions, so people noticed what he was accomplishing as Mayor of Braddock and were very interested to have him share...

"Don Charlton is Founder and CEO of The Resumator, a venture-backed software company that builds tools to help small and growing organizations easily manage their hiring. Don blended his love of fine art with software engineering by earning a BFA in Design from Rochester Institute of Technology in 1999. Over a decade, he established himself as an award-winning interactive designer, software engineer and motivational public speaker. In 2009, Don launched The Resumator as its sole founder, eventually growing the company into a multi-million dollar venture and one of the region’s fastest growing businesses.

John Fetterman​

John Fetterman was attracted to Braddock, PA by the town’s tragic arc of history and malignant beauty. Founded around the site of Andrew Carnegie’s first steel mill, Braddock’s fortunes declined in lockstep with the American steel industry. As the town’s population fell from a peak of more than 20,000 to just 2,300, its buildings, infrastructure and economy unraveled. With 90% of everything lost -population, buildings, homes, businesses- the challenges seemed insurmountable. John Fetterman, a Harvard graduate with a Master’s Degree in Public Policy, moved to Braddock in 2001 to work with AmeriCorps. Four years later he became the town’s mayor – winning the election by a single vote – and has been at the forefront of a massive effort to revitalize the once prosperous town ever since.

Erika Forbes​

Erika Forbes is Associate Professor of Psychiatry and Psychology at the University of Pittsburgh and director of the Affective Neuroscience and Developmental Psychopathology Lab. She completed her AB at Harvard University and her PhD at the University of Pittsburgh. She is a clinical and developmental psychologist by training, and her work examines the neuroscience of mental health in young people. Specifically, she uses techniques such as functional magnetic resonance imaging to investigate how unusual brain function in response to rewarding or pleasant stimuli is involved in the development of depression and substance use in adolescents."

It's hard to claim he was a grifter like Oz, since he never earned much money So you feel a tv doctor grifting idiots out of their money based on claims of "magic potions" is morally superior to a guy that invested into kids and rebuilding a town at very little individual profit? Kind of shows your character...

 

[IUCrazy2]

Really, plenty of his life? He owns 10+ properties and the only one he bought in PA was 1 year ago, about the time he decided to run for office. So exactly where did he live in PA, all those years (plenty of his life) that he spent in PA...

Don't ascribe ridiculous claims you falsely believe to me, I know better. You're swallowing a lot of BS nonsense put out about Fetterman by the GOP. I'd say Fetterman is pretty experienced in "helping people" considering that he had a pretty vast array of volunteer experience in groups that help youth/families, prior to being sent to Braddock initially as a representative of Americorps. That followed his undergraduate days playing college football and his MBA from UCONN and his MPP from Harvard...

Only GOP and GOP voters could somehow mischaracterize a 12 or 13 year span of working as a Mayor and simultaneously working in Community Involvement as a "bad thing" based on the amount of money he did/did not earn. He didn't live off the taxpayers of PA with his $300/month salary as Mayor, so if his family helped him out so he could continue to help others, I don't see anything wrong with that.

I don't really follow the world of Ted Talks, but I know that they try and engage with successful people and have them share their secrets. So for Fetterman as a small town Mayor to be chosen for at least 4 (possibly more) Ted lectures thruout 2012-13, somebody had to feel like he was more than the bum you try to paint him as. He was one of the speakers chosen to discuss Renovation at this 2013 Ted event in Pittsburgh Again, he was invited to speak on multiple occasions, so people noticed what he was accomplishing as Mayor of Braddock and were very interested to have him share...

"Don Charlton is Founder and CEO of The Resumator, a venture-backed software company that builds tools to help small and growing organizations easily manage their hiring. Don blended his love of fine art with software engineering by earning a BFA in Design from Rochester Institute of Technology in 1999. Over a decade, he established himself as an award-winning interactive designer, software engineer and motivational public speaker. In 2009, Don launched The Resumator as its sole founder, eventually growing the company into a multi-million dollar venture and one of the region’s fastest growing businesses.

John Fetterman​

John Fetterman was attracted to Braddock, PA by the town’s tragic arc of history and malignant beauty. Founded around the site of Andrew Carnegie’s first steel mill, Braddock’s fortunes declined in lockstep with the American steel industry. As the town’s population fell from a peak of more than 20,000 to just 2,300, its buildings, infrastructure and economy unraveled. With 90% of everything lost -population, buildings, homes, businesses- the challenges seemed insurmountable. John Fetterman, a Harvard graduate with a Master’s Degree in Public Policy, moved to Braddock in 2001 to work with AmeriCorps. Four years later he became the town’s mayor – winning the election by a single vote – and has been at the forefront of a massive effort to revitalize the once prosperous town ever since.

Erika Forbes​

Erika Forbes is Associate Professor of Psychiatry and Psychology at the University of Pittsburgh and director of the Affective Neuroscience and Developmental Psychopathology Lab. She completed her AB at Harvard University and her PhD at the University of Pittsburgh. She is a clinical and developmental psychologist by training, and her work examines the neuroscience of mental health in young people. Specifically, she uses techniques such as functional magnetic resonance imaging to investigate how unusual brain function in response to rewarding or pleasant stimuli is involved in the development of depression and substance use in adolescents."

It's hard to claim he was a grifter like Oz, since he never earned much money So you feel a tv doctor grifting idiots out of their money based on claims of "magic potions" is morally superior to a guy that invested into kids and rebuilding a town at very little individual profit? Kind of shows your character...

He had the same type of property Senator Hillary Clinton had in New York.

There are two guys accused of yucky things running for Senate in GA. So we have two accused domestic abusers and a guy who hypocritically says abortions for my paramour and none for yours. Neither of these guys strikes me as intellectual heavyweights.

I can't vote in the election and neither of them will represent me. So you are left with: Who is most likely to help advance the legislative agenda that I most agree with and believe will be best for the country?

As far as, "OMG this is just about power for you guys..." Duh. That is what politics is. Voting people into power to push your views on what you think is best for the country. These things matter for power. If someone is thought to be a liability to retaining power over "character" issues, they get jettisoned. If jettisoning them over character issues is likely to cause a loss of power, they are reasoned away. Franken gets the boot and Biden and Clinton got to be President. Neither of those decisions had anything to do with character for Democrats.

I am glad I don't have to pick between Warnock and Walker. Georgia picks some winners. But legislatively it is better for me in Indiana to have a rock that votes Republican in GA then a brilliant Democrat who votes with that party.

 

[UncleMark]

He had the same type of property Senator Hillary Clinton had in New York.

I've been waiting for that point to be made. It's one reason I've stayed away from the "carpetbagger" label for Oz. I didn't like it with HRC and I don't like it with Oz, either, but the voters in NY made their choice and the voters in PA will make theirs. Whether or not the residency question is a factor next month in PA remains to be seen. I actually think that's the least of Oz's problems.

 

[cosmickid]

If you believe that poll I got bridge to sell you but I am thinking you actaully believe it. LOL! That isnt even a real pollster they do online panels. i think I may have to save your post for election night so we can revisit it at that time.

Well admittedly it isn't Chuck Bariss posting his unrated nonsense, and the polls you and DMB gush over...

But it is an A rated poll, as this summary from today points out.

"One B-rated poll conducted by InsiderAdvantage on Tuesday showed Warnock leading Walker 47% to 44%, which placed Walker within the margin of error. But an A-rated poll conducted by SurveyUSA over the past five days put Warnock 12% ahead, alluding to a dark cloud looming over Walker's head in the final weeks of the election."

Raphael Warnock vs. Herschel Walker Georgia Senate poll | Incumbent Democrat way ahead

SurveyUSA conducted the exclusive poll for 11Alive of 1,076 likely November voters between Sept. 30 and Oct. 4.

www.11alive.com

Now the poll was actually conducted by Survey USA, the tv station just paid for it...

I think too many GOP voters will vote for Herschel for him to lose by 12 points, I stand by my comment that of the two candidates only Warnock is even capable of gaining the 50% threshold that will allow for him to evade a runoff. Not saying he will, but it isn't even remotely possible for Herschel and his 20% deficit among Independents and 6% share of the Black vote...

 

[Crayfish57]

Notice you can’t even read the numerous posts about Warnock and the car allegation, in which police or medical examiners could not detect any type of injury. Care to give an example of any Dem in office or running who has anything similar to Hershel’s issues? Besides the fact that you cannot listen to him speak and think he is qualified for any type of office. Speaking of blind partisanship.

So when you listen to Joe Biden speak, fumble around , wander off stage, fall up stairs, cant dress himself and loses his glasses when helped, you really think he is qualified to be President?

 

[ButHerEmails]

Walker's son is also very publicly backing this story too.

Did Walker get a get well soon card for the fetus as well? That’d be the Christian thing to do.

 

[cosmickid]

He had the same type of property Senator Hillary Clinton had in New York.

There are two guys accused of yucky things running for Senate in GA. So we have two accused domestic abusers and a guy who hypocritically says abortions for my paramour and none for yours. Neither of these guys strikes me as intellectual heavyweights.

I can't vote in the election and neither of them will represent me. So you are left with: Who is most likely to help advance the legislative agenda that I most agree with and believe will be best for the country?

As far as, "OMG this is just about power for you guys..." Duh. That is what politics is. Voting people into power to push your views on what you think is best for the country. These things matter for power. If someone is thought to be a liability to retaining power over "character" issues, they get jettisoned. If jettisoning them over character issues is likely to cause a loss of power, they are reasoned away. Franken gets the boot and Biden and Clinton got to be President. Neither of those decisions had anything to do with character for Democrats.

I am glad I don't have to pick between Warnock and Walker. Georgia picks some winners. But legislatively it is better for me in Indiana to have a rock that votes Republican in GA then a brilliant Democrat who votes with that party.

I'd say it was a tad different. Clinton moved to AR when she got married, and lived in official residences until leaving the White House. From the time she left Yale in '73, there was no point where she could have lived in NY and chose not to.

Oz has been a private citizen and had multiple opportunities to make his residence in PA and never chose to do so. It's not just that he owns 10+ properties, but it's the chronological sequence of when he brought those respective properties and chose to live .

He's lived in his riverfront mansion in New Jersey for the past 20 yrs, and has even been featured in various magazine spreads celebrity photo shoots as a NJ resident. He's continued to buy property in New York, FL, Turkey for the past 20 +yrs, then suddenly decided to buy a mansion in PA (that he gets a huge tax break on) and run for the Senate in a state he has no connection to.

What we know about Senate candidate Dr. Oz's real estate portfolio that's worth millions

The daytime television star has at least 12 residential properties around the globe, as well as several investment properties.

www.businessinsider.com

And why is he suddenly pretending he cares about helping people? He's never done anything that wasn't motivated by greed, as far as the public realm. Fetterman is clearly motivated by the causes he believes in, which of course you oppose.

But it's hard to claim JF isn't motivated by helping people when he worked as Mayor for over a decade making about $300/mo and having to work a second job. He's far more intelligent (and motivated) than some of you give him credit for- people don't go from small town college football athlete to an MBA from UCONN and MPP from Harvard by being stupid or unmotivated.

So which candidate cares more about the working people of PA and has basically dedicated his life to try and make their lives better? All of these phony attacks on Fetterman are just desperate attempts to again relitigate issues that were discussed and front and center in 2018 when Fetterman won the LT Governor's seat. He could have easily been elected Governor over Mastriano, but I think the state's Dem brain trust felt he was the better candidate for Senate and could have wider influence in that role.

 

[TommyCracker]

He had the same type of property Senator Hillary Clinton had in New York.

There are two guys accused of yucky things running for Senate in GA. So we have two accused domestic abusers and a guy who hypocritically says abortions for my paramour and none for yours. Neither of these guys strikes me as intellectual heavyweights.

I can't vote in the election and neither of them will represent me. So you are left with: Who is most likely to help advance the legislative agenda that I most agree with and believe will be best for the country?

As far as, "OMG this is just about power for you guys..." Duh. That is what politics is. Voting people into power to push your views on what you think is best for the country. These things matter for power. If someone is thought to be a liability to retaining power over "character" issues, they get jettisoned. If jettisoning them over character issues is likely to cause a loss of power, they are reasoned away. Franken gets the boot and Biden and Clinton got to be President. Neither of those decisions had anything to do with character for Democrats.

I am glad I don't have to pick between Warnock and Walker. Georgia picks some winners. But legislatively it is better for me in Indiana to have a rock that votes Republican in GA then a brilliant Democrat who votes with that party.

Appreciate the honesty as it's annoyingly lacking around here.

It's too late at this level. It doesn't matter if someone punches a kid in a wheelchair at this point, the election is a party vs party.

Dems would probably still vote for Walker if things were reversed, especially now. We hopefully learned that lesson with Cal Cunningham as October surprises are the norm, real or fabricated.

That being said, I highly doubt a pseudo celebrity from the 80's like Walker would have made it out of the primaries. His 'flaws' have been known for decades.

The real and relevant question is why did republicans support such a terrible candidate in the primary? I feel pretty confident in saying that Walker would have been cast out long ago...but he thrives in the current Republican environment.

Because it's controlled by Maga which is controlled by Trump.

He's just more proof that the party has embraced the crazy.

As much as I appreciate the moderate or at least common sense conservatives on here and in my real life...you guys might as well be members of the Natural Law party with as little as you guys represent the current actual Republican party.

 

[cosmickid]

I've been waiting for that point to be made. It's one reason I've stayed away from the "carpetbagger" label for Oz. I didn't like it with HRC and I don't like it with Oz, either, but the voters in NY made their choice and the voters in PA will make theirs. Whether or not the residency question is a factor next month in PA remains to be seen. I actually think that's the least of Oz's problems.

It was an issue in the NY Senate race, and as you said voters made their choice. But it didn't seem to stick because her history of living elsewhere was mainly in some official capacity, and she hadn't been living in the neighboring state of New Jersey, or Connecticut for the past 20 yrs. They actually purchased their home in New York prior to leaving the White House. And they continue to live there...

 

[anon_mya1phvcpf5x4]

Proof is not needed for dems to believe an allegation. Look at Kavanaugh guilty as charged from day one. Same thing with the total left wing hypocrites like Hickory have one goal and it is to get Walker out. They don’t care if the allegation is totally made up or not. In their book you are guilty as charged period. Meanwhile to them Warnock is a saint.

Do you even know the definition of proof? Lol.

Next thing you will tell us is how Mr pillow has proof of election fraud in his basement lol

 

[mcmurtry66]

Not only that, but how do any of his academic achievements qualify him to be a Senator? If he wants to get into politics, maybe start off running for a city council, or even a small town Mayor? You know like his opponent (JF) did?

Or maybe even move TO Pennsylvania and get to know the state before deciding for some god knows reason that you're qualified to even run for office? I doubt he's even participated in a single PA election prior to running in this year's Primary...

lmao. the bar is clearly low. i'll take some basic principles at this point and a guy who has accomplished a ton vs a guy who has been a parasite

 

[mcmurtry66]

I'd say it was a tad different. Clinton moved to AR when she got married, and lived in official residences until leaving the White House. From the time she left Yale in '73, there was no point where she could have lived in NY and chose not to.

Oz has been a private citizen and had multiple opportunities to make his residence in PA and never chose to do so. It's not just that he owns 10+ properties, but it's the chronological sequence of when he brought those respective properties and chose to live .

He's lived in his riverfront mansion in New Jersey for the past 20 yrs, and has even been featured in various magazine spreads celebrity photo shoots as a NJ resident. He's continued to buy property in New York, FL, Turkey for the past 20 +yrs, then suddenly decided to buy a mansion in PA (that he gets a huge tax break on) and run for the Senate in a state he has no connection to.

What we know about Senate candidate Dr. Oz's real estate portfolio that's worth millions

The daytime television star has at least 12 residential properties around the globe, as well as several investment properties.

www.businessinsider.com

And why is he suddenly pretending he cares about helping people? He's never done anything that wasn't motivated by greed, as far as the public realm. Fetterman is clearly motivated by the causes he believes in, which of course you oppose.

But it's hard to claim JF isn't motivated by helping people when he worked as Mayor for over a decade making about $300/mo and having to work a second job. He's far more intelligent (and motivated) than some of you give him credit for- people don't go from small town college football athlete to an MBA from UCONN and MPP from Harvard by being stupid or unmotivated.

So which candidate cares more about the working people of PA and has basically dedicated his life to try and make their lives better? All of these phony attacks on Fetterman are just desperate attempts to again relitigate issues that were discussed and front and center in 2018 when Fetterman won the LT Governor's seat. He could have easily been elected Governor over Mastriano, but I think the state's Dem brain trust felt he was the better candidate for Senate and could have wider influence in that role.

Yes he should be perfect for you. A job to “help” others funded by others. Fing ridiculous. Fetterman is a clown. They just leave the seat open

 

[DANC]

What is wrong with you? There weren't any charges filed, because none of the LEOs or EMTs that were there and examined her foot saw anything indicating the type of injury that would result if a car ran over your foot. The police report said that they felt she was lying and no charges were filed.

It wasn't political, they are both Black Democrats engaged in a custody battle. At the time she was the officeholder (member of Keesha Bottom's staff) and he was just an aspiring candidate. So there was no reason for any of the people at the scene to take his side over the claims of a member of the City Administration, except for the fact that no one found her story plausible...

Again this was all dealt with in 2020, before Warnock was elected. Herschel has never ran for elected office before, so this will be the voter's first attempt to judge him by their vote.

This attempt at false equivalency is nonsense, since this issue was already decided by the voters in Warnock's two electoral battles including when he beat Incumbent Senator Kelly Loeffler in the Jan 2021 runoff. Her husband is one of the richest men in the US and she owned a WNBA franchise. Do you think they didn't bring up this issue ad nauseum during the campaign?

So you won't answer the question.

Here's another one - do you think she was lying?

 

[DANC]

Not true. Her claims were investigated and found to be false. So far we’ve seen the card from him and we’ve found out she had another baby with him, which he doesn’t deny. He did say he doesn’t know her though. Lol

Link? I don't think they were found false. Like you are fond of saying, just because he wasn't charged doesn't mean he's not guilty.

 

[DANC]

Is that like the FBI that you all think is corrupt now? This silly game can go on forever. Like in every profession, some are, most aren’t.

The FBI is corrupt. What's your point?

 

[DANC]

Correct he is playing a card your party uses all the time . Just put D next to their name and that is all that matters. Omar dumb as rocks as you say and so on. It is so laughable you talking about character I could give you a list of 20 democrat absolute scumbag politicians. But again you only care because he is a republcian and to you any allegation is true no matter what. It does not matter if it is true or not you want Walker out and that is what it is really about to you. When I hear double standard I think of you.

But Bowel is a Republican - didn't you know that?

 

[Bowlmania]

But Bowel is a Republican - didn't you know that?

You're lying again, danc.

It's no wonder you can relate to these sociopathic POS candidates.

 

[DANC]

You're lying again, danc.

It's no wonder you can relate to these sociopathic POS candidates.

Just going by what you posted. You need to keep your stories straight.

 

[Bowlmania]

He had the same type of property Senator Hillary Clinton had in New York.

There are two guys accused of yucky things running for Senate in GA. So we have two accused domestic abusers and a guy who hypocritically says abortions for my paramour and none for yours. Neither of these guys strikes me as intellectual heavyweights.

I can't vote in the election and neither of them will represent me. So you are left with: Who is most likely to help advance the legislative agenda that I most agree with and believe will be best for the country?

As far as, "OMG this is just about power for you guys..." Duh. That is what politics is. Voting people into power to push your views on what you think is best for the country. These things matter for power. If someone is thought to be a liability to retaining power over "character" issues, they get jettisoned. If jettisoning them over character issues is likely to cause a loss of power, they are reasoned away. Franken gets the boot and Biden and Clinton got to be President. Neither of those decisions had anything to do with character for Democrats.

I am glad I don't have to pick between Warnock and Walker. Georgia picks some winners. But legislatively it is better for me in Indiana to have a rock that votes Republican in GA then a brilliant Democrat who votes with that party.

With respect to both the "yuck" and intelligence factors, there is simply no comparison. But carry on with false equivalences.

Perhaps I'm misinterpreting your post, but it seems like nothing about a candidate's character or intelligence could dissuade you from voting for them as long as there's an (R) after their name. If that's the case, holy shit.

 

[TheOriginalHappyGoat]

With respect to both the "yuck" and intelligence factors, there is simply no comparison. But carry on with false equivalences.

Perhaps I'm misinterpreting your post, but it seems like nothing about a candidate's character or intelligence could dissuade you from voting for them as long as there's an (R) after their name. If that's the case, holy shit.

Crazy's policy is perfectly rational if you live in a world where the policy preferences of one party are more important than the efficiency and competency of those in government.

 

[UncleMark]

Crazy's policy is perfectly rational if you live in a world where the policy preferences of one party are more important than the efficiency and competency of those in government.

It gets complicated when Trump is part of the picture, though. Then you have to factor in treachery, corruption, and criminality. Principled Republicans should be greatly discomforted, even if the policy preferences line up.

 

[jet812]

I'm not qualified to give you a diagnosis . . . but I'm sure you can find someone who can.

Didn’t ask for one, but thanks anyway. Someday you’ll have the courage to answer perhaps…

 

[TheOriginalHappyGoat]

It gets complicated when Trump is part of the picture, though. Then you have to factor in treachery, corruption, and criminality. Principled Republicans should be greatly discomforted, even if the policy preferences line up.

Maybe they do factor them in, and they just don't tip the scale.

 

[Bowlmania]

Just going by what you posted. You need to keep your stories straight.

I never posted that I am a Republican. You're lying again, and your serial shitposting continues.

 

[UncleMark]

Maybe they do factor them in, and they just don't tip the scale.

I said PRINCIPLED Republicans.

 

[Spartans9312]

Other than being a Democrat, what makes Warnock so bad?

Camper Recounts Abuse at Warnock Church Camp

Among the indignities 12-year-old Anthony Washington endured at the church camp overseen by Reverend Raphael Warnock: counselors who tossed urine on him and locked him outside his cabin overnight.

freebeacon.com

Both candidates seem like terrible humans

 

[TheOriginalHappyGoat]

Camper Recounts Abuse at Warnock Church Camp

Among the indignities 12-year-old Anthony Washington endured at the church camp overseen by Reverend Raphael Warnock: counselors who tossed urine on him and locked him outside his cabin overnight.

freebeacon.com

Both candidates seem like terrible humans

Why? What makes Warnock seem like a terrible human?

 

[T.M.P.]

Why? What makes Warnock seem like a terrible human?

Warnock (D) < that

 

[IUCrazy2]

Crazy's policy is perfectly rational if you live in a world where the policy preferences of one party are more important than the efficiency and competency of those in government.

In a body that includes 100 people where, if we are being real, in excess of 40 of them probably don't matter for much of anything but their vote, the competency really isn't super important. Seriously, all they need is a staff member or more likely just the leadership to say, "Vote this way" and you are probably fine.

With this government, the policy preferences are more important. I can't vote for anyone in GA. I can only pick who I want for the state of Indiana. Georgia has elected to have two morally questionable morons up for their senate seat. Given that and given an a current 50/50 split in that body, it is rationally a better choice for my policy wishes to have the morally questionable moron who will vote with the people I elected more often than not then the alternative. If this was a 58R/42D Senate, then take the L. It isn't though.

I am at least intellectually honest about this. None of you all gave a rat's ass about Warnock's wife's allegations when the shoe was on the other foot either. Morally questionable moron who would vote with Schumer and give Biden a D Senate was what mattered because that morally questionable moron isn't writing any legislation anyway. He is there to push the button Chuck tells him to.

 

[TheOriginalHappyGoat]

I am at least intellectually honest about this. None of you all gave a rat's ass about Warnock's wife's allegations when the shoe was on the other foot either.

This is an unfair allegation. I'm not criticizing you for your stance. I was just (accurately) explaining it.

As for Warnock, what I've already said about it remains true: it's not the same as the accusation against Walker, because the accusations against Walker aren't disputed. Maybe Warnock's ex is telling the truth. How am I supposed to know? But I'm sure Walker's ex was telling the truth, because he admitted in front of a judge that she was.

 

[cosmickid]

lmao. the bar is clearly low. i'll take some basic principles at this point and a guy who has accomplished a ton vs a guy who has been a parasite

Basic principles? Like suing his sister who likely has nowhere near his income, over being able to add his father's Millions to the millions he already owns? Exactly what basic principles do you think Oz has, other than grifting every endeavor he can for maximum profit?

Opinion | Dr. Oz’s experiments killing hundreds of dogs shed light on a terrible practice

After the Senate passed a bill that would eliminate a federal mandate to conduct animal testing, details about Oz's experiments showed how the bill wouldn't go far enough.

www.nbcnews.com

I guess my opinion of caring about he people you're supposed to represent sort of eliminates being preoccupied with attacking your own family over money while you're running for an office to be able to help people. You can pretend this is anything but outright greed and that it isn't elitist, but this is a pure scum move. Probably on his sister's part as well as his...

I'm not at all surprised that you would applaud someone like this, and say with a straight face that the person has "principles"...

https://www.yahoo.com/news/dr-oz-accused-money-grab-202029609.html

So because Fetterman used help from his family to be able to help out others he's a parasite. But Oz cheating/bickering with his family in Court over profits is not at all parasitic? I mean seriously the man with 10 separate million dollar plus properties is dragging his sister to court in a battle over the profits from rental properties from an inheritance? And JF taking a $50,000 loan from his parents because it allowed him to continue doing the job of Mayor and helping people is how you characterize someone as a parasite?


I have a cardiologist. He's well off, but he's certainly not greedy. When I first started seeing him back in 2006 and the brand new insurance I had to pay for would not cover the one doctor I saw (him) because it wouldn't cover my pre-existing condition he saw me all year for free and provided me with samples of the expensive meds I had to have that the insurance I still had to pay for would not cover. That's my idea of a doctor who is interested in helping people and taking care of them. I actually find that admirable...

But while my cardiologist helped me while actually losing some money, Oz seems totally preoccupied with increasing his profits, possibly by taking advantage of others. I'd say this is far more emblematic of being a total parasite, but no doubt you disagree. I honestly don't know if you believe the outrageous things you say or are just trying to appear "cool", so I'll assume you actually consider Fetterman a leech for trying to help people.

I guess this is what you mean by characterizing Oz as a "man of principle", but I'd say he's pretty much the exact opposite. You can't claim this is a political hit job, since it dates back to 2016 when most people thought that Oz was a Democrat. Or at least leaned that way...

Interesting that you don't see this guy as a parasite...

 

[mcmurtry66]

Basic principles? Like suing his sister who likely has nowhere near his income, over being able to add his father's Millions to the millions he already owns? Exactly what basic principles do you think Oz has, other than grifting every endeavor he can for maximum profit?

Opinion | Dr. Oz’s experiments killing hundreds of dogs shed light on a terrible practice

After the Senate passed a bill that would eliminate a federal mandate to conduct animal testing, details about Oz's experiments showed how the bill wouldn't go far enough.

www.nbcnews.com

I guess my opinion of caring about he people you're supposed to represent sort of eliminates being preoccupied with attacking your own family over money while you're running for an office to be able to help people. You can pretend this is anything but outright greed and that it isn't elitist, but this is a pure scum move. Probably on his sister's part as well as his...

I'm not at all surprised that you would applaud someone like this, and say with a straight face that the person has "principles"...

https://www.yahoo.com/news/dr-oz-accused-money-grab-202029609.html

So because Fetterman used help from his family to be able to help out others he's a parasite. But Oz cheating/bickering with his family in Court over profits is not at all parasitic? I mean seriously the man with 10 separate million dollar plus properties is dragging his sister to court in a battle over the profits from rental properties from an inheritance? And JF taking a $50,000 loan from his parents because it allowed him to continue doing the job of Mayor and helping people is how you characterize someone as a parasite?


I have a cardiologist. He's well off, but he's certainly not greedy. When I first started seeing him back in 2006 and the brand new insurance I had to pay for would not cover the one doctor I saw (him) because it wouldn't cover my pre-existing condition he saw me all year for free and provided me with samples of the expensive meds I had to have that the insurance I still had to pay for would not cover. That's my idea of a doctor who is interested in helping people and taking care of them. I actually find that admirable...

But while my cardiologist helped me while actually losing some money, Oz seems totally preoccupied with increasing his profits, possibly by taking advantage of others. I'd say this is far more emblematic of being a total parasite, but no doubt you disagree. I honestly don't know if you believe the outrageous things you say or are just trying to appear "cool", so I'll assume you actually consider Fetterman a leech for trying to help people.

I guess this is what you mean by characterizing Oz as a "man of principle", but I'd say he's pretty much the exact opposite. You can't claim this is a political hit job, since it dates back to 2016 when most people thought that Oz was a Democrat. Or at least leaned that way...

Interesting that you don't see this guy as a parasite...

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I’m not reading all that you blockhead. When is that ever going to sink in with you. One guy accomplished a shit ton in his life. MD. Surgeon. Professor in the Ivy. The other guy made up jobs and had his family subsidize his silly career. I will take the former any day of the week. Now he will go to DC and ask people for more money. F him. Why do you support all these people that want others to pay for them ? To pay for their mistakes. Their careers. Their loans.

as for oz who knows what’s going on with his familial relationships. You sure don’t. You just read all this garbage and take it as accurate. Stupid. Most everything you post is stupid

i think they are two shitty candidates. You will support one with a D irrespective of reality because you are removed from reality. You shouldn’t be allowed to vote

 

[zeke4ahs]

The FBI is corrupt. What's your point?

Lol. You just proved my point.

 

[IUCrazy2]

This is an unfair allegation. I'm not criticizing you for your stance. I was just (accurately) explaining it.

As for Warnock, what I've already said about it remains true: it's not the same as the accusation against Walker, because the accusations against Walker aren't disputed. Maybe Warnock's ex is telling the truth. How am I supposed to know? But I'm sure Walker's ex was telling the truth, because he admitted in front of a judge that she was.

If I misread your intention, I apologize.

I think another example of what I described is the Pennsylvania race. Fetterman is not a good candidate at the moment (not talking policy...he would never be a good policy candidate for me) because of the stroke. However, if we are realistic about this, it barely matters. He isn't going to be crafting legislation. He wouldn't be doing that even before the medical issue. He will have a staff. The Democrats at the top of the food chain will signal to him how he should vote and outside of areas where it is possible for Democrats to win on legislation even without his vote, he will vote the way the party wants him to.

I don't think this is necessarily the way things should run, but it is the way things do run. So yes, effectively, except in very few cases, the most important thing in these elections (if you are not in the state and cannot vote) is whether or not the person has an R or D behind their name. If you live in the state, their ability to bring home the bacon for your state may come into play as well.

In a body of 100 people, I think there are maybe 20 total that truly matter for anything outside a vote. There are those who push the agenda and there are those who follow the agenda. The vast majority are followers and we know this because there are only a few Senators most of us could name without Google. We live in Indiana so we know ours. You ask someone in Oregon who the Indiana Senators are and they could not tell you without looking. I could not tell you who Oregon's are other than they probably have a D after their name. Why? Because in neither case are any of those guys really pushing the conversation, they follow.

 

[BigDoggyDog]

Basic principles? Like suing his sister who likely has nowhere near his income, over being able to add his father's Millions to the millions he already owns? Exactly what basic principles do you think Oz has, other than grifting every endeavor he can for maximum profit?

Opinion | Dr. Oz’s experiments killing hundreds of dogs shed light on a terrible practice

After the Senate passed a bill that would eliminate a federal mandate to conduct animal testing, details about Oz's experiments showed how the bill wouldn't go far enough.

www.nbcnews.com

I guess my opinion of caring about he people you're supposed to represent sort of eliminates being preoccupied with attacking your own family over money while you're running for an office to be able to help people. You can pretend this is anything but outright greed and that it isn't elitist, but this is a pure scum move. Probably on his sister's part as well as his...

I'm not at all surprised that you would applaud someone like this, and say with a straight face that the person has "principles"...

https://www.yahoo.com/news/dr-oz-accused-money-grab-202029609.html

So because Fetterman used help from his family to be able to help out others he's a parasite. But Oz cheating/bickering with his family in Court over profits is not at all parasitic? I mean seriously the man with 10 separate million dollar plus properties is dragging his sister to court in a battle over the profits from rental properties from an inheritance? And JF taking a $50,000 loan from his parents because it allowed him to continue doing the job of Mayor and helping people is how you characterize someone as a parasite?


I have a cardiologist. He's well off, but he's certainly not greedy. When I first started seeing him back in 2006 and the brand new insurance I had to pay for would not cover the one doctor I saw (him) because it wouldn't cover my pre-existing condition he saw me all year for free and provided me with samples of the expensive meds I had to have that the insurance I still had to pay for would not cover. That's my idea of a doctor who is interested in helping people and taking care of them. I actually find that admirable...

But while my cardiologist helped me while actually losing some money, Oz seems totally preoccupied with increasing his profits, possibly by taking advantage of others. I'd say this is far more emblematic of being a total parasite, but no doubt you disagree. I honestly don't know if you believe the outrageous things you say or are just trying to appear "cool", so I'll assume you actually consider Fetterman a leech for trying to help people.

I guess this is what you mean by characterizing Oz as a "man of principle", but I'd say he's pretty much the exact opposite. You can't claim this is a political hit job, since it dates back to 2016 when most people thought that Oz was a Democrat. Or at least leaned that way...

Interesting that you don't see this guy as a parasite...

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Your posts are emblematic of the Fetterman campaign. By all accounts Oz has been making a great effort to go out an meet the voters across PA and listen to their issues.

Fetterman, when he does speak, mumbles some unintelligible nonsense about crudite, New Jersey and mansions. There’s no meat on his bone.

Oz grew up in the Philly suburbs even though he grew up in Delaware and went to school in Philly, he’s a carpetbagger but that’s been true of members of the U.S. senate since this country was founded. Grow the hell up.

Interesting that you believe Fetterman “helped people” because he was a community activist and the mayor of an 1800 person town that saw crime rise and population drop during his tenure.

Apparently being a professor and a heart surgeon, and employing 1000’s isn’t “helping people” in your world because there’s a financial transaction involved.

Like I said from the outset you believe Fetterman = fake Poor = Noble and Oz = wealthy = bad. It’s an ignorant childish worldview but you’re an ignorant childish man.