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He would understand if the people with guns were evil liberals and there were innocent GOP followers accidently trespassing.
Let's have a little perspective. It occurred during the summer of love where over 2,000 cops were injured, billions in damages, and a cop here in saint louis was murdered. More neat perspective it transpired in the most dangerous city in America. Even more perspective the trespassers were on their way to the mayor's house. the mayor's husband was murdered in a car jacking in front of that house just a few years prior. a block over.

they were trespassing through a gated neighborhood that had signs all over the neighborhood "private" and they knew exactly what they were doing. they could have very easily taken a public street and avoided portland place. F these people. they have no regard for anything. The last few people dumb enough to live in nice homes in the city are a bit trigger happy. weird....
 
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Let's have a little perspective. It occurred during the summer of love where over 2,000 cops were injured, billions in damages, and a cop here in saint louis was murdered. More neat perspective it transpired in the most dangerous city in America. Even more perspective the trespassers were on their way to the mayor's house. the mayor's husband was murdered in a car jacking in front of that house just a few years prior. a block over.

they were trespassing through a gated neighborhood that had signs all over the neighborhood "private" and they knew exactly what they were doing. they could have very easily taken a public street and avoided portland place. F these people. they have no regard for anything. The last few people dumb enough to live in nice homes in the city are a bit trigger happy. weird....
I've read that St. Louis is unusual because its official city limits are tiny for a metro population its size (supposedly because of politics going back to its status as a pro-North city surrounded by a vindictive pro-South county during the Civil War). It just seems like the central St. Louis area has way too many little government units with different crime policies that conflict.

Maybe St. Louis would benefit by a more regional style of government like Uni-Gov in Indiana. A county-wide prosecution system does not entirely make up for other inequities in city services that always occur when different parts of the same "city" have different services for police, garbage, education, healthcare etc.
 
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I've read that St. Louis is unusual because its official city limits are tiny for a metro population its size (supposedly because of politics going back to its status as a pro-North city surrounded by a vindictive pro-South county during the Civil War). It just seems like the central St. Louis area has way too many little government units with different crime policies that conflict.

Maybe St. Louis would benefit by a more regional style of government like Uni-Gov in Indiana. A county-wide prosecution system does not entirely make up for other inequities in city services that always occur when different parts of the same "city" have different services for police, garbage, education, healthcare etc.
Saint Louis City is about 300,000 people in a metro of i guess 2 and a half million. Saint Louis City is unique in that it doesn't have a county. I think Baltimore is the only other "major" metro that doesn't have a county. When the city got it's charter it failed to annex all of the little munis that popped up and ended up doing pretty well. There's been talk about a merger between saint louis city and county but the county exec, stanger, ended up going to prison and i haven't heard too much about it since.

the city has all sorts of issues that go way back. at the turn of the century it was the 4th largest city in america. hosted the world's fair etc. but the story goes that we chose steamboats and chicago got rail and that was that. the city itself has endured a massive exodus. in 1950 the city's population was 900,000. today's it's 300,000. pretty crazy.
 
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A private neighborhood street (owned by the HOA, I presume?) is not a homestead. Even if the protesters were guilty of trespassing, it doesn't excuse armed confrontation.
They can’t stand/sit on their front porch with guns? If someone steps in their yard and says they’re gonna kick their ass, they have to be able to point gun and say “no you’re not kicking my ass”.
 
They can’t stand/sit on their front porch with guns? If someone steps in their yard and says they’re gonna kick their ass, they have to be able to point gun and say “no you’re not kicking my ass”.
The lady was pointing the gun at protestors. Unless she had a bona fide reason to do so, I would think it’s assault. Rambo, her husband, was carrying the AR at port arms which was hilarious.
 
I've read that St. Louis is unusual because its official city limits are tiny for a metro population its size (supposedly because of politics going back to its status as a pro-North city surrounded by a vindictive pro-South county during the Civil War). It just seems like the central St. Louis area has way too many little government units with different crime policies that conflict.

Maybe St. Louis would benefit by a more regional style of government like Uni-Gov in Indiana. A county-wide prosecution system does not entirely make up for other inequities in city services that always occur when different parts of the same "city" have different services for police, garbage, education, healthcare etc.
As an aside sope brought up regional govs not long ago. I think there's some merit to that idea. Obviously the devil is in the details
 
Saint Louis City is about 300,000 people in a metro of i guess 2 and a half million. Saint Louis City is unique in that it doesn't have a county. I think Baltimore is the only other "major" metro that doesn't have a county. When the city got it's charter it failed to annex all of the little munis that popped up and ended up doing pretty well. There's been talk about a merger between saint louis city and county but the county exec, stanger, ended up going to prison and i haven't heard too much about it since.

the city has all sorts of issues that go way back. at the turn of the century it was the 4th largest city in america. hosted the world's fair etc. but the story goes that we chose steamboats and chicago got rail and that was that. the city itself has endured a massive exodus. in 1950 the city's population was 900,000. today's it's 300,000. pretty crazy.

It's too bad... the architecture of the neighborhoods, etc.... with its French influence is very unique for middle America. So many amazingly beautiful old homes
 
Defund the cops; attacks on cops; bail reform; light sentencing; not enforcing criminal laws - all found within Dem led cities, including the most dangerous city in america. No it is not a coincidence that 24 of the 25 most dangerous cities in america are led by dems - it's by choice. it's policy
Back in the 60s -70s, Chicago had 900+ murders/yr with a pop of 3,000,000 …Now they have only 500/yr with pop down to 2,000,000…..More guns apparently means fewer murders.
 
Back in the 60s -70s, Chicago had 900+ murders/yr with a pop of 3,000,000 …Now they have only 500/yr with pop down to 2,000,000…..More guns apparently means fewer murders.
NY was the model shortly thereafter for reducing crime and cleaning up a city
 
Lastest Emerson poll has walker two up on Warnock. Oz is pounding on the fact that Fetterman is a vegetable and can’t/ won’t debate.

Lost in the fact that Oz and Walker are weak candidates is the fact that Fetterman is even more incapacitated than our current president and Warnock is a progressive (socialist?) running in Georgia. Democratic candidates are just as weak in these races to the bottom.
 
With high inflation and a historically unpopular Democratic president, this should have been the year for Republicans to kick ass in the midterms and easily gain control of both houses of Congress. While it's likely they'll flip the House, wresting control of the Senate is very much in doubt. The GOP hasn't helped itself by nominating guys like Walker, Masters and Oz. Walker is arguably among the worst major party senatorial candidates ever, Masters (trailing Mark Kelly by 8 points in yesterday's Fox New poll) is a conspiracy theorist and election denier, and Oz is a carpetbagger with Turkish citizenship and many homes around the globe. Even Mitch McConnell has gone on the record (link below) questioning "candidate quality."

What's the common thread? All of these candidates have been enthusiastically promoted and endorsed by the former POTUS.

As someone pointed out in another thread, Trump may - - once again - - cost the GOP the Senate.

This will age very bad for you after 11/08. I think we should bookmark it and come back to it the fact you are going off mid summer polls is all I need to know maybe do some research into past summer fox polling and see just how far off they are but I know it wont fit your narrative.
 
they could have very easily taken a public street and avoided portland place.
I easily could be wrong, but I thought I saw something that said that the protesters had broken through the private community fence in order to go to the mayor's house which was nearby. Was the mayor's house not part of the gated community? I would think that it would not be possible to take a public street to get to that address.
 
This will age very bad for you after 11/08. I think we should bookmark it and come back to it the fact you are going off mid summer polls is all I need to know maybe do some research into past summer fox polling and see just how far off they are but I know it wont fit your narrative.
You're crowing about internal (Trafalgar) polling which still shows the Dems up, just not as much as more reliable poll consensous?

Newest WSJ which polled from Aug 17-25 (which means it didn't include the student loan reduction), already showed Biden at 45% approval, and Dems with a 47-44 lead on the generic ballot...

It showed Trump with a 39% approval and head to head in 2024 Biden at 50% to Trump's 44%


Highlights...

Wrong direction led 63-28, but that did NOT translate into positives for either Trump or GOP... The changes from March 2022 to Aug 2022 are pretty stark...

Dems led 47-44 Generic (Was 46-41 GOP in March)
Biden's favorability 45-53 (Was 41-56 in March)
Trump's favorability 39-58 (Was 41-55 in March)
Dem Party favorability 44-53 (was 40-55 in March)
GOP favorability 40-56 (Was 44-51 in March)

And as more and more of Trump's Presidency has emerged, his rating as a POTUS (which was never high) has sunk significantly...

In March this poll showed favorabilty of Trump's Presidency at 48-51. Now the poll shows a drop to 44-55, which is even less than Biden's current rating (45-54)...

Support for the GOP has slipped in every category, including leads in issues like economy and inflation where their lead has shrunk.

link to individual PDF pages...



The fact that the GOP is showing losses in polling is one thing, but we've already seen it borne out in real time elections as well. Since that mid June special election in which the GOP captured a Dem seat in the Rio Grande valley, the GOP has underperformed in 4 elections in a row. The Texas seat was prior to Roe, and the Dem in that race was a conservative anti-abortion candidate. So it will be interesting to see where that seat goes in Nov, when abortion will be an issue.

The loss in NY 19 is especially significant. The GOP candidate won in 2016 by 9 points, and Trump carried the district against Clinton by 6%. Biden barely won in 2020, but the Dem just won by twice as much as Biden, which officially signals the end of the Red wave (you may not have gotten the memo yet). The GOP was hopeful of winning Districts that were Biden +4 or 5, and they can't even capture a district where they ran a star (Molinaro) which was basically Biden +1?

Unless you drastically turn down the foolish bravado and dial down your expectations to about 10-15 net GOP gains, I predict you'll be the one embarrassed by the meaningless polls you've been citing the past year...
 
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You're crowing about internal (Trafalgar) polling which still shows the Dems up, just not as much as more reliable poll consensous?

Newest WSJ which polled from Aug 17-25 (which means it didn't include the student loan reduction), already showed Biden at 45% approval, and Dems with a 47-44 lead on the generic ballot...

It showed Trump with a 39% approval and head to head in 2024 Biden at 50% to Trump's 44%


Highlights...

Wrong direction led 63-28, but that did NOT translate into positives for either Trump or GOP... The changes from March 2022 to Aug 2022 are pretty stark...

Dems led 47-44 Generic (Was 46-41 GOP in March)
Biden's favorability 45-53 (Was 41-56 in March)
Trump's favorability 39-58 (Was 41-55 in March)
Dem Party favorability 44-53 (was 40-55 in March)
GOP favorability 40-56 (Was 44-51 in March)

And as more and more of Trump's Presidency has emerged, his rating as a POTUS (which was never high) has sunk significantly...

In March this poll showed favorabilty of Trump's Presidency at 48-51. Now the poll shows a drop to 44-55, which is even less than Biden's current rating (45-54)...

Support for the GOP has slipped in every category, including leads in issues like economy and inflation where their lead has shrunk.

link to individual PDF pages...



The fact that the GOP is showing losses in polling is one thing, but we've already seen it borne out in real time elections as well. Since that mid June special election in which the GOP captured a Dem seat in the Rio Grande valley, the GOP has underperformed in 4 elections in a row. The Texas seat was prior to Roe, and the Dem in that race was a conservative anti-abortion candidate. So it will be interesting to see where that seat goes in Nov, when abortion will be an issue.

The loss in NY 19 is especially significant. The GOP candidate won in 2016 by 9 points, and Trump carried the district against Clinton by 6%. Biden barely won in 2020, but the Dem just won by twice as much as Biden, which officially signals the end of the Red wave (you may not have gotten the memo yet). The GOP was hopeful of winning Districts that were Biden +4 or 5, and they can't even capture a district where they ran a star (Molinaro) which was basically Biden +1?

Unless you drastically turn down the foolish bravado and dial down your expectations to about 10-15 net GOP gains, I predict you'll be the one embarrassed by the meaningless polls you've been citing the past year...
He likely voted for trump, I don't think embarrassment is something he does ;)
 
I easily could be wrong, but I thought I saw something that said that the protesters had broken through the private community fence in order to go to the mayor's house which was nearby. Was the mayor's house not part of the gated community? I would think that it would not be possible to take a public street to get to that address.
Mayor lives in a different hood. They could have taken public streets. They went through Portland place to be trouble.
 
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With high inflation and a historically unpopular Democratic president, this should have been the year for Republicans to kick ass in the midterms and easily gain control of both houses of Congress. While it's likely they'll flip the House, wresting control of the Senate is very much in doubt. The GOP hasn't helped itself by nominating guys like Walker, Masters and Oz. Walker is arguably among the worst major party senatorial candidates ever, Masters (trailing Mark Kelly by 8 points in yesterday's Fox New poll) is a conspiracy theorist and election denier, and Oz is a carpetbagger with Turkish citizenship and many homes around the globe. Even Mitch McConnell has gone on the record (link below) questioning "candidate quality."

What's the common thread? All of these candidates have been enthusiastically promoted and endorsed by the former POTUS.

As someone pointed out in another thread, Trump may - - once again - - cost the GOP the Senate.

Keep up the TDS, FBI raids, and calling repub voters terrorists it really seems to be helping Biden!! I hopy your boy Biden doubles and triples down on calling repubs terrorists. The as you say common thread is the more Biden speaks the worse he does. And unlike fox Baris is actually a very accurate poller.

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The CD Media Big Data Poll finds Donald Trump leads Joe Biden 46.6% to 40.0% in Pennsylvania, one of the most crucial battleground states. The 45th President became the first Republican to carry the Keystone State since 1988 when he defeated Hillary Clinton in 2016, but lost it to the 46th President by less than 1.2% in 2020.

“Ahead of both 2016 and 2020, every poll we conducted in the state pointed to a very close race,” Big Data Poll Director Rich Baris, stated. “Now, it’s not at all that close. Even after being raided by the FBI, the former president appears poised to win it rather easily.”
 
They might have to send another assassin after Zeldin.
The way to look at that poll is that even GOP internal polling shows him trailing. They (GOP) already lost what should have been an easy House race in the 19th over abortion. If Trafalgar is polling with an outdated "likely voters" model, they'll be way off on actual turnout.

That's exactly what already happened once in New York, when polls in the 19th showed the GOP candidate ahead by 2 or 3 points, but all the "unlikely voters" the polls missed showed up on election night...Zeldin is desperately trying to tone down his rhetoric and scrub his anti-abortion history, but it's far too little far too late.
 
Beatdown coming in Florida!



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Keep up the TDS, FBI raids, and calling repub voters terrorists it really seems to be helping Biden!! I hopy your boy Biden doubles and triples down on calling repubs terrorists. The as you say common thread is the more Biden speaks the worse he does. And unlike fox Baris is actually a very accurate poller.

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The CD Media Big Data Poll finds Donald Trump leads Joe Biden 46.6% to 40.0% in Pennsylvania, one of the most crucial battleground states. The 45th President became the first Republican to carry the Keystone State since 1988 when he defeated Hillary Clinton in 2016, but lost it to the 46th President by less than 1.2% in 2020.

“Ahead of both 2016 and 2020, every poll we conducted in the state pointed to a very close race,” Big Data Poll Director Rich Baris, stated. “Now, it’s not at all that close. Even after being raided by the FBI, the former president appears poised to win it rather easily.”
Holy shit. You're active on Gab? That explains a lot.

Here's a portion of Gab's Wikipedia write-up: "Widely described as a haven for neo-Nazis, racists, white supremacists, white nationalists, antisemites, the alt-right, supporters of Donald Trump and believers in conspiracy theories such as a QAnon, Gab has attracted users and groups who have been banned from other social media platforms and users seeking alternatives to mainstream social media platforms."

That's some kind of company you keep, ace.

And I hate to put an end to your hard-on, but check out the linked article. As old and feeble as Biden is, he'd still kick Trump's ass. In fact, Trump's probably the only candidate he could beat. But keep worshiping your two-time popular vote loser, pal, as he continues to destroy the Republican Party.

 
Word is he's freaking about Oz. But that is what you get when you base your choice for a Senate race on who is "nice" to you. Seriously, Trump wrote the book on being shallow...He is positively baffled by the fact that someone who was so "popular on tv" for many years could be so far behind in the polls...








And Trump compounds his own idiocy by listening to Hannity, who I guess want's to blame Mitch for the worst disaster in PA since the Johnstown Flood...





Fetterman is ruthless when he smells blood...


Hard to disagree with anything the PPG editors are saying here. If he’s not capable of debate he’s not fit to be elected.

 
Hard to disagree with anything the PPG editors are saying here. If he’s not capable of debate he’s not fit to be elected.


Isn't it the conventional political wisdom that the leader in a political race shouldn't debate if he doesn't have to? That there's nothing to gain and everything to lose?

I won't argue with the notion that Fetterman's health is concerning, but if the alternative is sending Oz to Washington...
 
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Isn't it the conventional political wisdom that the leader in a political race shouldn't debate if he doesn't have to? That there's nothing to gain and everything to lose?

I won't argue with the notion that Fetterman's health is concerning, but if the alternative is sending Oz to Washington...
Can’t be worse than Feinstein or Grassley.
 
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Isn't it the conventional political wisdom that the leader in a political race shouldn't debate if he doesn't have to? That there's nothing to gain and everything to lose?

I won't argue with the notion that Fetterman's health is concerning, but if the alternative is sending Oz to Washington...
Besides being a Republican anything else you have against the Dr?
 
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