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Trump fires 17 independent inspectors general

You are not an expert. You are not informed. You’re a middling career government employee. Cease with the dramatics.
You're nothing, period. You don't know jack about IGs. You know next to nothing about me. Your ignorance has never stopped you from spewing nonsense. You should ask yourself a question before you post: Do I know anything about this subject? If the answer is no, as it obviously is much of the time, you should not spew nonsense about it.
 
You're nothing, period. You don't know jack about IGs. You know next to nothing about me. Your ignorance has never stopped you from spewing nonsense. You should ask yourself a question before you post: Do I know anything about this subject? If the answer is no, as it obviously is much of the time, you should not spew nonsense about it.
WTF?
 
IGs are one of the good things in government. They don’t work for the heads of the agencies and departments and are tasked with investigating issues like abuse authority, misuse of taxpayer money, etc. The government is far too large to investigate every tip from so-called whistleblowers or others about issues within these organizations. That’s what IGs do and they’re good at it. When they find something that requires presidential and congressional attention they report it to them. This is how HRC’s classified emails were initially found, investigated and reported. They do this without the partisan politics which happen when the politicians get involved.
We definitely need independent reviewers in government. But given the massive fraud in Covid relief, and Medicare, the * accounting errors “ in Ukraine aid and student debt relief, Fauci’s gain of function research funding, the FEMA mess in North Carolina, the migrant housing funding mess, and the unaccounted for missing funds in many agencies, I think we need a different system than the 72 separate IG’s and their staffs.
 
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We definitely need independent reviewers in government. But given the massive fraud in Covid relief, and Medicare, the * accounting errors “ in Ukraine aid and student debt relief, Fauci’s gain of function research funding, the FEMA mess in North Carolina, the migrant housing funding mess, and the unaccounted for missing funds in many agencies, I think we need a different system than the 72 separate IG’s and their staffs.
What's the connection from any of that to the IGs?
 
What's the connection from any of that to the IGs?
It flows from deliberate wrongful conduct by governments officials , or seriously gross incompetence. IG’s ougtbto be in a position to address pr these problems.

I neglected to mention, the DoD, our largest agency, failed 7 annual audits.

We need a fresh look at the entire oversight and accountability system.
 
It flows from deliberate wrongful conduct by governments officials , or seriously gross incompetence. IG’s ougtbto be in a position to address pr these problems.

I neglected to mention, the DoD, our largest agency, failed 7 annual audits.

We need a fresh look at the entire oversight and accountability system.
IGs point out issues constantly and report them. It’s why the heads of agencies and departments aren’t big fans generally. They’re an important part of oversight.
 
IGs point out issues constantly and report them. It’s why the heads of agencies and departments aren’t big fans generally. They’re an important part of oversight.
Horowitz (one that Trump did not dismiss) documented a number of problems at the FBI and the Justice Department. Not much happened, at least not publicly.
 
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He can fire them but by law (relatively new law) he’s required to provide congressional notification, including detailed justification, 30 days prior. That’s a reasonable law. Some Congressional Republicans already expressed displeasure with this. With very small majorities in both Houses of Congress it seems unwise to irritate them by not following a reasonable law. I’d imagine it works like other congressional notifications like for arms sales and after 30 days without Congress taking any action it’s essentially approved.
This will head to court.

What do you think the Supreme Court will decide?


My guess is…Congress can’t put that limit on the president to fire a presidential appointee
 
This will head to court.

What do you think the Supreme Court will decide?


My guess is…Congress can’t put that limit on the president to fire a presidential appointee
This will be an interesting question. Are all those IGs presidential appointments (I'm guessing not, see below)? Some IGs are appointed by agency heads, and in theory, the power of removal rests with the appointing agency head, not the President.

The courts have been very careful to never come up with a really firm rule on whether or not (or, if so, how) the President's power of removal may be limited.

My guess is Trump's lawyers had him make this move specifically to test this proposition, and I'm guessing at least some of these IGs are agency appointees, so that the courts will be forced to examine that issue, as well. My guess is that a large number of Trump's early moves will be intended to create court cases that help test and refine the so-called "unitary executive" theory, and I think these firings represent a clear example of that gameplan.
 
This will be an interesting question. Are all those IGs presidential appointments (I'm guessing not, see below)? Some IGs are appointed by agency heads, and in theory, the power of removal rests with the appointing agency head, not the President.

The courts have been very careful to never come up with a really firm rule on whether or not (or, if so, how) the President's power of removal may be limited.

My guess is Trump's lawyers had him make this move specifically to test this proposition, and I'm guessing at least some of these IGs are agency appointees, so that the courts will be forced to examine that issue, as well. My guess is that a large number of Trump's early moves will be intended to create court cases that help test and refine the so-called "unitary executive" theory, and I think these firings represent a clear example of that gameplan.
Maybe a challenge to the Impoundment Control Act of 1974?

His move is curious with regards to the firings
 
Maybe a challenge to the Impoundment Control Act of 1974?

His move is curious with regards to the firings
I doubt anything is off the table. There is all this hand-wringing over P2025, and all the things it (supposedly) stands for, but I think Trump's handlers are really interested in one thing above all else: the unquestionable supremacy of the Oval Office over all aspects of the executive functions of the government. Everything else is window dressing to get the base fired up or pwn the opposition.
 
This will head to court.

What do you think the Supreme Court will decide?


My guess is…Congress can’t put that limit on the president to fire a presidential appointee
I think the opposite on this one. IGs represent the interests of the executive and legislative branches - really our interests.
 
"President Donald Trump fired 17 independent watchdogs at multiple government agencies on Friday, a person with knowledge of the matter said, eliminating a critical oversight component and clearing the way to replace them with loyalists.

"The dismissals appeared to violate federal law, which requires the president to give both houses of Congress reasons for the dismissals 30 days in advance."

IGs are entirely unnecessary now that we have DOGE.
 
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IGs are entirely unnecessary now that we have DOGE.
We need something.

How do we shovel out billions for student loan relief without congressional approval, against a SCOTUS ruling and without a majority of public support?

How can we have an open border which is against established law, without congressional approval, and against the will of the people?
 
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Absolutely. Because we know that the biggest Trump donor, the largest government contractor and the richest person in the world will act selflessly and exclusively in the public interest.
Even if you are correct, who is to say Musk’s interests don’t align with the public interest?
 
It’s unavoidable. Only a matter of degree.
So, you're guessing and don't know any more about why these IGs are being fired than anyone else and won't unless we see the congressional notifications. More broadly, you're saying it's impossible for government workers, including military, to work in a nonpartisan manner? If that's the case, we might as well pack it all in. We're doomed.

I couldn't tell you if most people I've met government doing their jobs are Republican, Democrat or something else. They work for their country and leave politics out of it.
 
So, you're guessing and don't know any more about why these IGs are being fired than anyone else and won't unless we see the congressional notifications. More broadly, you're saying it's impossible for government workers, including military, to work in a nonpartisan manner? If that's the case, we might as well pack it all in. We're doomed.

I couldn't tell you if most people I've met government doing their jobs are Republican, Democrat or something else. They work for their country and leave politics out of it.

I think people making that argument are saying they wouldn't even bother trying to be non-partisan and just assume no one else would either.
 
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You must have me confused with someone else.

First, I'm not a Dem. Next, I said in 2023 that Biden should not seek reelection. I criticized him here on numerous occasions, and recently harshly criticized his pardons. In any event, Biden's irrelevant now.

We're going to see much more of this (i.e. actions - - - legal and illegal - - that whittle away the independence of federal agencies) from Trump in the coming months. And it's no surprise. It was all spelled out in the 900-page blueprint that Trump knew nothing about. Lol.

You cannot even carry a conversation without Trump being in the mix. Introspection would do you good
 
So, you're guessing
Internet rumor. Don’t know about reliability.

More broadly, you're saying it's impossible for government workers, including military, to work in a nonpartisan manner?
I never said “including military.” But I will say that workers focus on “The Mission.” Some see their mission as opposing Trump and obstructing annd resisting any initiative he proposes. IG’s included. It’s impossible for people to ignore their biases. How those influence their work is an individual thing.
 
Internet rumor. Don’t know about reliability.


I never said “including military.” But I will say that workers focus on “The Mission.” Some see their mission as opposing Trump and obstructing annd resisting any initiative he proposes. IG’s included. It’s impossible for people to ignore their biases. How those influence their work is an individual thing.
IGs don’t work for the agencies and departments they’re assigned to. They focus on the agencies and departments and investigate tips from employees about possible malfeasance of various kinds. The heads of the agencies and departments generally don’t care for them if they’re doing their jobs.
 
just like rock and roll

hypocrisy will never die
Jimmy Carter government jobs project to reward pols...started out with 12....now with 74 plus staffs....like all government..grows geometrically with little regard for results.
 
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