You know the sad part is that they influence a lot of people.. What do you get when you follow a dumbass? šI know them all to be worthless dumbasses.
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You know the sad part is that they influence a lot of people.. What do you get when you follow a dumbass? šI know them all to be worthless dumbasses.
Meh, these are national figureheads though. Many of us know how intellectually inferior some of these lifetime politicians are, but our public is too stupid to know any better.
I expected a more nuanced opinion from Sherrod Brown. I watched the video. I'm open to hear opinions from anyone who can tell me what the hell the cop was supposed to do in that situation. Was there time to disarm her? Is the cop trained for that? Perhaps something further will come out which will shed additional light on this one but from what I've seen this appears more justified than the Adam Toledo situation which itself was a tragic caes of bad decisions spiraling into even worse outcomes.
Not mentioned by the "good" Senator, the girl who was shot appeared to be a second away from stabbing another black female after having just assaulted a third female as the cops were arriving. People were out in the streets protesting this one as well.
So long as you make the same argument about any of those who continue to attack federal courthouses to this day, then we are in agreement.Weāre not living on the same planet. My thoughts on race relations are well published here and I clearly despise the liberal narrative on race.
But this guy knelt on a no-longer resisting guyās neck (over $20) for 9+ minutes, with most of that occurring after he stopped resisting and 2.5+ of it occurring after there was no pulse. In public on video, for nothing. Nothing. Chauvin made the worse decision of his life on a lifelong piece of shit petty criminal.
Ashli Babbitt 100% deserved to be shot. She was attempting to break into a fortified hallway and she paid the price.
There is zero comparison here. Stop reading the talking points. They stink.
Craze, do you really believe this jury was concerned about the public response to their decision rather than weighing the evidence ?That's fine, the jury found him guilty so our system says he is guilty. There were enough merits to find him guilty on at least one of the three charges based on the limited amount of attention I paid to the trial.
To be clear, I am not questioning the outcome. My comment was more along the lines of everyone hoping he gets found guilty so we don't see a spasm of violence. That, in my opinion, is not justice. If the guy was innocent and someone on the jury or the public felt he should be sacrificed to placate a mob, that is not right. I was just challenging that opinion.
It is an oddity that while Chauvin got free representation he didnāt get to choose his lawyer.Craze, do you really believe this jury was concerned about the public response to their decision rather than weighing the evidence ?
I said "this jury" because there is a possibility that a jury could be selected which was prone to be swayed by public opinion. This possibility highlights the importance of jury selection and the need for a defendant to have competent legal counsel.
Is justice really served across the country when defendants without the financial resources to hire competent counsel face prosecutors with more resources and experience.
So while the nation is wrapped up in the high profile Chauvin trial thousands of financially poor defendants receive questionable representation. This is not justice in my opinion and represents a bigger problem than the influence that angry protesters might have on a single high profile case.
Agreed. And the latter is a problem."Fair Trial" is not relevant when it is an open and shut case as this one was. "Mob Rule" was standing down and standing by just in case it was not an open and shut case.
Dumb. Those people were riotous and were hunting congressmen. Shame on you for being daft on this one.The most important distinction is one was black and one was white. Even president Joe Biden weighed in on this point with his āimagine if the Capitol mob were black peopleā comments.
Last I checked, breaching a secured area is not grounds for the cops to use deadly force from a concealed position with no warning.
Or some arguments arenāt explained properly and are stolen from the talking points designed for the dumb.He did not say it was the only difference. Not to be a dick but I think certain topics cause some people to get a type of tunnel vision where they just cannot see what the actual argument is. All reading comprehension goes out the window.
Are there judges hiding in the bowels of the courthouses and being actively hunted by the rioters? If yes Iāll agree and make same comment.So long as you make the same argument about any of those who continue to attack federal courthouses to this day, then we are in agreement.
I donāt think those two situations would be covered the same, though.
Shame on Brown. He would say āI mean she should be alive right now because she shouldnāt have taken that actionā but we know that the talking points consumers wonāt try to find the full story.
Not mentioned by the "good" Senator, the girl who was shot appeared to be a second away from stabbing another black female after having just assaulted a third female as the cops were arriving. People were out in the streets protesting this one as well.
I think the problem with āresourcesā is way overplayed. With almost all cases ending with a plea bargain, resources are less important. The biggest variable is at sentencing. Accomplished people receive more lenient sentences and that is tied to race. Race is an important circumstance with juveniles and late teen adults. When a court considers probation, family support is an important consideration for granting probation or not having it later revoked for violation of terms. This is where young black males are at a distinct disadvantage.Craze, do you really believe this jury was concerned about the public response to their decision rather than weighing the evidence ?
I said "this jury" because there is a possibility that a jury could be selected which was prone to be swayed by public opinion. This possibility highlights the importance of jury selection and the need for a defendant to have competent legal counsel.
Is justice really served across the country when defendants without the financial resources to hire competent counsel face prosecutors with more resources and experience.
So while the nation is wrapped up in the high profile Chauvin trial thousands of financially poor defendants receive questionable representation. This is not justice in my opinion and represents a bigger problem than the influence that angry protesters might have on a single high profile case.
They repeatedly set the building on fire in Portland. So theyāre apparently trying to kill EVERYONE in the place. Thatās actually worse, in my opinion.Are there judges hiding in the bowels of the courthouses and being actively hunted by the rioters? If yes Iāll agree and make same comment.
Theyāre setting the building on fire with workers and judges inside of it, Doc?They repeatedly set the building on fire in Portland. So theyāre apparently trying to kill EVERYONE in the place. Thatās actually worse, in my opinion.
Does it matter? Does there need to be a certain amount of people inside?Theyāre setting the building on fire with workers and judges inside of it, Doc?
Youāre arguing for arguing sakes and Iām not following you there. The differences are obvious. Overtly obvious for anybody who cares to see them.Does it matter? Does there need to be a certain amount of people inside?
Iām gonna guess a federal courthouse is never completely empty.
The arsonists also blocked exits with concrete.Youāre arguing for arguing sakes and Iām not following you there. The differences are obvious. Overtly obvious for anybody who cares to see them.
Nah, youāre being disingenuous. The only difference youāve put forward so far is who might be in the building and the intentions of those doing the attacking.Youāre arguing for arguing sakes and Iām not following you there. The differences are obvious. Overtly obvious for anybody who cares to see them.
CoH, my remarks about "resources" are limited to what i know about the justice system in Indianapolis (Marion County, Indiana) and are based upon a few conversations with lawyers working for the the prosecutor and public defender office.Etc
I think the problem with āresourcesā is way overplayed. With almost all cases ending with a plea bargain, resources are less important. The biggest variable is at sentencing. Accomplished people receive more lenient sentences and that is tied to race. Race is an important circumstance with juveniles and late teen adults. When a court considers probation, family support is an important consideration for granting probation or not having it later revoked for violation of terms. This is where young black males are at a distinct disadvantage.
Not that I have alot of experience in the matter, but the defendant's lawyer has a certain amount of veto power on jury selection, correct? During jury selection, there is usually a pool of about 30-ish people and IIRC, the lawyers have the ability to nix 6 to 8 of them no questions asked. I would have to assume that the defendant's lawyer would have to be smart enough to know how race could subtly affect the situation. Unless he was forced to choose between a higher-than-average amount of African Americans versus a bunch of people wearing "Kill'em all and let God sort it out" T-shirts, I gotta imagine that he couldn't find significant reasons to exclude them.It is an oddity that while Chauvin got free representation he didnāt get to choose his lawyer.
Yes having money to hire a good lawyer makes all the difference in the world. So too does jury selection. For a county 13 percent black from a defense standpoint he couldnāt have gotten a worse jury
COH has been playing defense/appellate attorney for Chauvin in this thread. Unfortunately for him, Chauvin didn't have a case at trial and has 1,000 times worse odds on appeal. This case is a watershed case for police accountability, which is bad news for attorneys that represent police officers.He's either gone totally off the rails or is actively trolling. With COH it's oftentimes hard to tell which.
Your arguments here and throughout this thread are absurd. You're embarrassing yourself.Etc
I think the problem with āresourcesā is way overplayed. With almost all cases ending with a plea bargain, resources are less important. The biggest variable is at sentencing. Accomplished people receive more lenient sentences and that is tied to race. Race is an important circumstance with juveniles and late teen adults. When a court considers probation, family support is an important consideration for granting probation or not having it later revoked for violation of terms. This is where young black males are at a distinct disadvantage.
You must be new around here.Your arguments here and throughout this thread are absurd. You're embarrassing yourself.
Of course the arsonists should be prosecuted. But if youāre saying we should be sniping arsonists of an empty building then we donāt agree.Nah, youāre being disingenuous. The only difference youāve put forward so far is who might be in the building and the intentions of those doing the attacking.
But an attack on a federal building should be treated the same under the law regardless of whoās doing it or what theyāre trying to accomplish.
disagree hoosierjimbo. the facts in this case were pretty damning. i wouldn't extrapolate same. he was dead in the water with so many cops coming out against him re procedure. i don't think that happens often. usually cops plea with facts this bad. chauvin tried to plea but the state rejectedCOH has been playing defense/appellate attorney for Chauvin in this thread. Unfortunately for him, Chauvin didn't have a case at trial and has 1,000 times worse odds on appeal. This case is a watershed case for police accountability, which is bad news for attorneys that represent police officers.
Hereās another race baiter who made it onto the dais during the Democrat debates.Shame on Brown. He would say āI mean she should be alive right now because she shouldnāt have taken that actionā but we know that the talking points consumers wonāt try to find the full story.
I will not vote for another Democrat at the national level until the race baiting stops.
Are they so lazy they can't take 90 seconds and watch the body cam video? At least hedge your bet guys. Lord.Hereās another race baiter who made it onto the dais during the Democrat debates.
Shame on these people. Not a single one will get my vote.
On the contrary. They know exactly what happened. They donāt care. The facts donāt fit their narrative so they ignore them.Are they so lazy they can't take 90 seconds and watch the body cam video? At least hedge your bet guys. Lord.
Hereās another race baiter who made it onto the dais during the Democrat debates.
Shame on these people. Not a single one will get my vote.
Short answer, I don't know if they were or not. Long answer, I think Chauvin was guilty on at least 1 of the 3 charges. (I am a little foggy how he could be guilty of all 3, but that is maybe more my ignorance to the delineation between the different grades which is why I did not wade into that discussion....I was not informed enough.) So to this trial, I think the argument could be made that justice was served. The officer appeared to egregiously overstep the amount of force needed to keep Floyd subdued. The video was really damning on that account.Craze, do you really believe this jury was concerned about the public response to their decision rather than weighing the evidence ?
I said "this jury" because there is a possibility that a jury could be selected which was prone to be swayed by public opinion. This possibility highlights the importance of jury selection and the need for a defendant to have competent legal counsel.
Is justice really served across the country when defendants without the financial resources to hire competent counsel face prosecutors with more resources and experience.
So while the nation is wrapped up in the high profile Chauvin trial thousands of financially poor defendants receive questionable representation. This is not justice in my opinion and represents a bigger problem than the influence that angry protesters might have on a single high profile case.
CoH, my remarks about "resources" are limited to what i know about the justice system in Indianapolis (Marion County, Indiana) and are based upon a few conversations with lawyers working for the the prosecutor and public defender office.
Public defenders are paid less and have much larger case loads than their counter parts in the prosecutor's office. Thus defendants who cannot afford to hire one of the community's talented defense attorneys have the deck stacked against them in my opinion. An opinion admittedly based on limited knowledge.
AccurateTo that point, I think the justice system is not racist, it is classist. The color that matters is green. If you have enough Green, you have a fighting chance even if you got the victims (plural) blood in your car and your blood at the scene.
Thatās the thing Hank. They know that 90% of people wonāt watch the footage. They know they can win votes with faux outrage and they tweet like this. They have to stay Woke or theyāll stay out of office. This is the dark side of the democrats. This is BlueAnon to the GOPās QAnon.The Body Cam footage shows her knocking one girl to the ground and stabbing her then charging another girl with a knife. She's shot right before she stabs the second girl.
People should pick their battles. This is a poor one.
Yes having money to hire a good lawyer makes all the difference in the world. So too does jury selection. For a county 13 percent black from a defense standpoint he couldnāt have gotten a worse jury
Thatās the thing Hank. They know that 90% of people wonāt watch the footage. They know they can win votes with faux outrage and they tweet like this. They have to stay Woke or theyāll stay out of office. This is the dark side of the democrats. This is BlueAnon to the GOPās QAnon.
Look at what it leads to. Sherrod Brown and other politicians should be held accountable if these protests turn into riots.
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Sometimes I'm glad I'm old and will be dead soon. When did everyone turn batshit crazy?
This is BlueAnon
When social media became popular.Sometimes I'm glad I'm old and will be dead soon. When did everyone turn batshit crazy?