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The Disinformation Governance Board--reason #914 to hate Leftists

TheOriginalHappyGoat said:
Who says they are turning it on American citizens? Right wing paranoia says it.
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You sound like the Jews in Nazi Germany when they started with other groups and thought it wouldn't be turned against them. Then, the Holocaust happened and it was too late to go after the Nazis.

I hope this doesn't turn into the same situation but to not be wary based on the Left's efforts so far is dangerous in my estimation. Your approach to wait until it happens, when it is a likely unconstitutional effort, is too late. I agree that we shouldn't be going overboard but we have seen this administration lie about inflation, the border and what is happening, etc; so it gives rise to question what is effort is about.
 
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76-1 said:
Typical Democrat... Phonier than a three dollar bill...

Everything..., and I do mean Everything..., they accuse the right of is actually who they really are...

Weaponize the IRS, the NSA, the FBI..., the oversees Intelligence Services..., And the Department of Homeland Security....; No Problem..., as long as it fits their partisan agenda...
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Lol this thread just illustrates how nutty conservatives have become
 
vesuvius13 said:
You sound like the Jews in Nazi Germany when they started with other groups and thought it wouldn't be turned against them. Then, the Holocaust happened and it was too late to go after the Nazis.

I hope this doesn't turn into the same situation but to not be wary based on the Left's efforts so far is dangerous in my estimation. Your approach to wait until it happens, when it is a likely unconstitutional effort, is too late. I agree that we shouldn't be going overboard but we have seen this administration lie about inflation, the border and what is happening, etc; so it gives rise to question what is effort is about.
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You people have gone round the bend.
 
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vesuvius13 said:
You sound like the Jews in Nazi Germany when they started with other groups and thought it wouldn't be turned against them. Then, the Holocaust happened and it was too late to go after the Nazis.

I hope this doesn't turn into the same situation but to not be wary based on the Left's efforts so far is dangerous in my estimation. Your approach to wait until it happens, when it is a likely unconstitutional effort, is too late. I agree that we shouldn't be going overboard but we have seen this administration lie about inflation, the border and what is happening, etc; so it gives rise to question what is effort is about.
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And, Reductio ad Hitlerum makes its inevitable appearance. :rolleyes:
 
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mushroomgod_1 said:
nypost.com

Biden blasted for policing free speech with ‘dystopian’ disinformation bureau

Some are suggesting the timing is convenient given Elon Musk vowed to make Twitter a free-speech haven after his $44 billion takeover.
nypost.com nypost.com

Under the loving auspices of the Homeland Security Dept. Headed by one of the foremost proponents of the 'Biden laptop is Russian disinformation' gang. What could go wrong?

Also don't like the looks of the international "Declaration for the Future of the Internet", also touted by the demented old fool.
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The whole concept of “misinformation” or “disinformation” is the problem. Selecting information which is valid or invalid defeats the purpose of discovering truth. Information selection is a product of an education system that focused on dogma and ideology instead of thinking skills. I posted awhile ago about the American Bar Association requirement that schools teach how property law furthered white supremacy. Maybe it did, but making it a given deprived students from thinking how that may or may not be true.

What’s the answer? I’m in favor of mostly unfettered free expression of ideas, positions and principles. Restricting any of it is the wrong thing to do.

I believe in the wisdom of crowds.

The Wisdom of Crowds - Diplo

The Wisdom of Crowds, why the many are smarter than the few?
www.diplomacy.edu www.diplomacy.edu
 
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CO. Hoosier said:
The whole concept of “misinformation” or “disinformation” is the problem. Selecting information which is valid or invalid defeats the purpose of discovering truth. Information selection is a product of an education system that focused on dogma and ideology instead of thinking skills. I posted awhile ago about the American Bar Association requirement that schools teach how property law furthered white supremacy. Maybe it did, but making it a given deprived students from thinking how that may or may not be true.

What’s the answer? I’m in favor of mostly unfettered free expression of ideas, positions and principles. Restricting any of it is the wrong thing to do.

I believe in the wisdom of crowds.

The Wisdom of Crowds - Diplo

The Wisdom of Crowds, why the many are smarter than the few?
www.diplomacy.edu www.diplomacy.edu
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I don't think that is the same as looking at something political because if something bad is written about Trump there's a of people won't believe it because they support him no matter what and there's others that are gonna believe it no matter what... facts are irrelevant to those people.
 
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I don't think that is the same as looking at something political because if something bad is written about Trump there's a of people won't believe it because they support him no matter what and there's others that are gonna believe it no matter what... facts are irrelevant to those people.
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Democratic process is. not intended find truth. The wisdom of crowds is particularly important to democracy.

OTOH, the judicial branch is to deal with disputed facts. That is exact,y what happened with Trumps claims and our strength.
 
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I hate this development, not because it isn't needed (I was hoping the private sector would figure out how to best moderate it's content) but for exactly what you see in this thread.

This is going to be so slam dunk easy to weaponized, and it would be either party, particularly in the political state that were in and the lack of trust.

It has to be bipartisan and it has to be set up with guard rails to keep it for being exploited by an aggressive party.

I don't know how that can be put together.

So yeah, I hate it.

My little political podcast that I turn to made a comment on a poll that asked republicans if they 'hated' liberals. Around 70% said yes, they hate liberals.

Around 55% said they believed liberal thinkers were 'evil'.

Yikes.

That's going to be hard to come together/work together if those numbers are anywhere close to accurate.
 
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mushroomgod_1 said:
nypost.com

Biden blasted for policing free speech with ‘dystopian’ disinformation bureau

Some are suggesting the timing is convenient given Elon Musk vowed to make Twitter a free-speech haven after his $44 billion takeover.
nypost.com nypost.com

Under the loving auspices of the Homeland Security Dept. Headed by one of the foremost proponents of the 'Biden laptop is Russian disinformation' gang. What could go wrong?

Also don't like the looks of the international "Declaration for the Future of the Internet", also touted by the demented old fool.
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conservatives have financially devastated the working class,

moved our manufacturing base offshore, killing millions of good jobs, tax bases, and making us totally owned by China.

put people in jail and prison for pot, who have never hurt anyone or themselves, and thus driven the people to alcohol and other 10,000 times more dangerous drugs.

kept us paying beyond absurd sums for needed drugs.

killed medicare for all, making healthcare twice as expensive, and keeping 10s of millions uninsured,

kept higher education overly expensive, with huge downsides to the citizenry, business, and healthcare.

killed off anti trust, thus allowing destructive consolidation/monopolization which kills jobs, wages, and is the primary reason for current inflation.

hurt corporate expansion and advancement by allowing the use of trillions in fed money to be used for stock buy backs instead of mandating it be put into, thus growing, the businesses.

killed off all meaningful gun regulation.

lied us into 20 plus yrs of unnecessary war costing us trillions a yr that could have gone to far more useful things.

are now trying to dismantle our democracy.

turned our media into nothing but propaganda machines.

killed all privacy by allowing corps to spy on us non stop.

made whistle blowing against govt wrongdoing a crime with beyond absurd punishment for doing what's right and needed.

given us the unpatriotic Patriot Act,



and you're worried about some stupid board?

idiocracy at work.

but then that's the goal of the corporate media and the sock puppets on social media, isn't it.

keep everyone fixated on the unimportant, and away from concentrating on what IS important.
 
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TheOriginalHappyGoat said:
Doing what, exactly?

The only actual information that's out there about this - which is almost none - doesn't bother me at all. Battling disinformation from human traffickers that they use to convince more desperate people to try to sneak into America? Of course, both parties should be all for that. Russian propaganda? Both parties should agree we need to combat that.

And then...well, that's it. There's literally nothing else out there about this except for speculation.

So what exactly am I supposed to be against? Big Brother? Of course I'm against Big Brother. But so far, Big Brother only exists in the fevered imaginations of right-wing pundits.

In other words, misinformation.
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I know I am on your shit list and could care less what I think but I would have never believed you would be okay with this. You’re surely just making the argument to spur debate and it’s not something you would support.
 
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TheOriginalHappyGoat said:
Eff that. GOP controlled House is going to have a field day with this crap.
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And a precedence has been already been set. Impeach, impeach, impeach. The Dems were absolutely bat-sh*t crazy with their antics. Payback is a bitch.... What goes around, comes around. Bend over and grab your ankles, Dems, this may be a little uncomfortable.
 
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Jg48 said:
And a precedence has been already been set. Impeach, impeach, impeach. The Dems were absolutely bat-sh*t crazy with their antics. Payback is a bitch.... What goes around, comes around. Bend over and grab your ankles, Dems, this may be a little uncomfortable.
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HAHAHA you're going to feel a little pressure now dems... :)
 
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i'vegotwinners said:
conservatives have financially devastated the working class,

moved our manufacturing base offshore, killing millions of good jobs, tax bases, and making us totally owned by China.

put people in jail and prison for pot, who have never hurt anyone or themselves, and thus driven the people to alcohol and other 10,000 times more dangerous drugs.

kept us paying beyond absurd sums for needed drugs.

killed medicare for all, making healthcare twice as expensive, and keeping 10s of millions uninsured,

kept higher education overly expensive, with huge downsides to the citizenry, business, and healthcare.

killed off anti trust, thus allowing destructive consolidation/monopolization which kills jobs, wages, and is the primary reason for current inflation.

hurt corporate expansion and advancement by allowing the use of trillions in fed money to be used for stock buy backs instead of mandating it be put into, thus growing, the businesses.

killed off all meaningful gun regulation.

lied us into 20 plus yrs of unnecessary war costing us trillions a yr that could have gone to far more useful things.

are now trying to dismantle our democracy.

turned our media into nothing but propaganda machines.

killed all privacy by allowing corps to spy on us non stop.

made whistle blowing against govt wrongdoing a crime with beyond absurd punishment for doing what's right and needed.

given us the unpatriotic Patriot Act,



and you're worried about some stupid board?

idiocracy at work.

but then that's the goal of the corporate media and the sock puppets on social media, isn't it.

keep everyone fixated on the unimportant, and away from concentrating on what IS important.
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I’ll take a few of these on… No comment on deleted assertions.

moved our manufacturing base offshore, killing millions of good jobs, tax bases, and making us totally owned by China.
Corporate greed took manufacturing offshore: cheep Chinese labor v. US Payroll taxes, and access to a middle class market as big as the US’ are the two leading candidates, in my view. There are plenty of US companies, with large operations in China. Two notable with liberal leaning CEOs are Alphabet (Google) and Apple.

put people in jail and prison for pot, who have never hurt anyone or themselves, and thus driven the people to alcohol and other 10,000 times more dangerous drugs.
The ‘93 crime bill was lead by Joe Biden.

hurt corporate expansion and advancement by allowing the use of trillions in fed money to be used for stock buy backs instead of mandating it be put into, thus growing, the businesses.
For this to occur, Congress would have to pass a law and allocate funds. I don’t recall any such bill.
Chrysler and ‘Government Motors’ paid their loans back. Nor, do I recall dozens of Justice Dept. prosecutions for misuse of Government funds from the financial crisis.

killed off all meaningful gun regulation.
If I owned one, I‘d more likely require it to be pried from my cold dead hands. I’m no good with long arms. (I can hit the side of a barn … more likely than not to miss a window at any respectable range). My Zombie Apocalypse armory would be semi-automatic shotguns (14 or 16 gauge), and Browning .45 or .50 cal semiautomatic pistols. I have the point and shoot, hand eye skills for those. I’m not planning on a Zombie Apocalypse any time soon.

On a more serious note, gun control advocates gutted the the NRA, but still can’t get enough votes to pass national legislation. Sounds more like sour grapes to me. In my opinion, Societal, Cultural, and Social problems have more to do with gun crimes than the guns (tools) themselves. How does legal gun ownership drive use of illegal guns in crimes.

lied us into 20 plus yrs of unnecessary war costing us trillions a yr that could have gone to far more useful things.
Lots of Democrats and Republicans agreed to 1) Liberate Kuwait, 2) Invade Afghanistan, 3) Invade Iraq. Members of Congress are expected to seek the truth, and vote in the best interest of the country. I think the better perspective now is lots of members both sides did their job poorly.

turned our media into nothing but propaganda machines.
Which media is our media? The left complains about Fox (mostly), and perhaps the NY Post. The right complains about MSMBC, CNN, NBC, ABC, CBS, NPR, Gannett, Wapo, and NYT. At worst, propaganda machines appear to be an equal opportunity participatory event, and not the fault of conservatives alone.

killed all privacy by allowing corps to spy on us non stop.
I’d say both parties did a poor job protecting personal privacy, against ‘Corporate Greed’
How ‘bout a classic Joplin quote: “Freedom is just another word, for nothing left to lose”

made whistle blowing against govt wrongdoing a crime with beyond absurd punishment for doing what's right and needed.
And whistle blown lies went unpunished. Shiff still has secret intelligence committee proof. At best we can agree that mudslinging has a storied legacy in US politics. Its delivery has become more sophisticated. I’d say Democrats attacks on whistle blowers and other political enemies were more punitive.

given us the unpatriotic Patriot Act,
The FISA court abuses in support of political goals, seeking warrants on a political campaign and its candidate starting in 2016, suggest this may have been a mistake. Let’s say Republicans shot themselves in the foot.
 
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stollcpa said:
I know I am on your shit list and could care less what I think but I would have never believed you would be okay with this. You’re surely just making the argument to spur debate and it’s not something you would support.
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You're missing the point. There's nothing yet to really be against. They haven't announced anything even remotely problematic. Or even meaningful.

You guys are way out in front on this.
 
TheOriginalHappyGoat said:
You're missing the point. There's nothing yet to really be against. They haven't announced anything even remotely problematic. Or even meaningful.

You guys are way out in front on this.
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But the idea is just wrong, no matter what. How can we ever accept the government deciding what information is acceptable?
 
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mcmurtry66 said:
I just don't care about hunter Biden. Don't care about Jan 6. Maybe it's me
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Since we already knew that Joe was a lying’ crooked SOB, I guess the Hunter story makes no difference. The scary thing for me is how the mass media was all over suppression of the story so thoroughly and so quickly. That is not good when we depend on the free flow of information. And those 50+ intelligence professionals who planted the Russia disinformation seed without actually providing any evidence was more scary. That letter was carefully drafted. It wasn't spontaneous. I’d like to see a public congressional hearing into who put that letter together and put them in jail. I’m thinking mail fraud or wire fraud might work.
 
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CO. Hoosier said:
Since we already knew that Joe was a lying’ crooked SOB, I guess the Hunter story makes no difference. The scary thing for me is how the mass media was all over suppression of the story so thoroughly and so quickly. That is not good when we depend on the free flow of information. And those 50+ intelligence professionals who planted the Russia disinformation seed without actually providing any evidence was more scary. That letter was carefully drafted. It wasn't spontaneous. I’d like to see a public congressional hearing into who put that letter together and put them in jail. I’m thinking mail fraud or wire fraud might work.
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Mass media bias is a far bigger deal to me
 
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stollcpa said:
But the idea is just wrong, no matter what. How can we ever accept the government deciding what information is acceptable?
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Anybody could readily see that this bureau of what ever you want to call it is not about misinformation or disinformation. It’s about conformity and obedience.

We are trending toward labeling minority views as misinformation. Even the Big Lie isn’t misinformation because there is some evidence to support it. There are many similar examples.

It’s a bad idea and made worse by placing conspicuously biased ideologues in charge. There was no attempt to give this bureau credibility or accountability.
 
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TheOriginalHappyGoat said:
You people have gone round the bend.
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This is a quote from the White House Correspondence Dinner by Biden "And at home, a poison is running through our democracy," Biden claimed, "of all, all this taking place with disinformation massively on the rise, where the truth is buried by lies and lies live on as truth," Now tell me how far round the bend those of us that are concerned are.
 
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vesuvius13 said:
This is a quote from the White House Correspondence Dinner by Biden "And at home, a poison is running through our democracy," Biden claimed, "of all, all this taking place with disinformation massively on the rise, where the truth is buried by lies and lies live on as truth," Now tell me how far round the bend those of us that are concerned are.
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You are far around the bend if you think anything about that statement is wrong.

You don't mind that lies are being spread daily for the sole purpose of getting people to hate the other party?
 
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Sen. Ron Johnson, R, Wisconsin, believes DHS has no Congressional authority to create the Disinformation Governance Board.
 
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