Believe what you want and what you believe is wrong. The dossier was vital for the FISA warrant because the Carter Paige surveillance did not yield enough to obtain a warrant.
And just stop with all that “if a dem campaign. . . . “ crap. That’s a nothing argument and makes you look silly.
Oh, and yes the investigation was unjustified. It was the brain child of Clapper, Comey, McCabe, Brennan, Stzruk, Ohr, and others. Clapper, Comey, and Brennan are documented liars. Ohr, McCabe, and Stzruk, have been fired or demoted and then fired.
The beauty of all of this is that when we actually see the damn report (assuming it’s not butchered all to hell), we’ll be able to actually know what it says. The longer it goes until it’s released, and the more redacted it is, the more it looks like things are being hidden.
Barr is apparently going to turn the report over to the White House, and allow them to make whatever claims of executive privilege they want to make. That’s unprecedented. It has never worked that way- the process has always been for a third party to review the report, and for them to redact whatever it is that is subject to executive privilege.
Sadly, I don’t think we’ll see the full report until many court battles have happened and subpoenas have been issued. Logically, it would appear that if the report was all roses for Trump, it would’ve been released immediately. I understand that grand jury info must be protected/redacted by law, but I suspect the “protections” will extend far before the grand jury stuff.
Given what was uncovered during the campaign, it’s pretty clear there was a lot of misconduct. At least it was unethical. At worst, it lead to Trump and his team being compromised. Which means that the investigation was justified.
Q: do you dispute any of the points that Schiff made yesterday? And if you accept them, we’re the incidents just “politics”? If you haven’t watched his opening remarks, you should. I doubt that media sources told you much about some of it.
We’ll have to agree to disagree about the dossier and it’s importance in the FISA process. The only evidence of what the app contains is present in testimony- and the testimony doesn’t support your assertion that the dossier was the main vehicle to start the investigations.
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Given what we know publicly about the Trump campaign’s behavior, do you think that the investigation will ultimately be a good thing?
If Trump and his team did nothing wrong, they should welcome an investigation. It would clear up all the reporting (which is all solid, BTW. Unlike Mueller, Trump and his team leak like a damn sieve).
Instead, they’re relying on a partisan summary that doesn’t say much, and they’re stretching it out to be a complete absolving of Trump and his team. It’s dishonest, at best. Why wouldn’t they focus on accurately stating what Barr said, and defer until the report comes out? That is the dem approach so far, at least if you use Pelosi as the measuring stick.
Until the report is released, or new sourced news breaks that discusses what we are talking about, there’s really no point in discussing this much further. If you have solid sourcing that backs up your assertions, by all means post them. All I’ve seen so far is the repeating of right wing media talking points, when the public record that’s available now doesn’t support your assertions.
And, I did whatabout. That’s a favorite technique of yours. It’s infuriating when it’s used, isn’t it?
My point wasn’t to try to make it seem as if both sides were equal, or to justify bad behavior. That seems to be the manner in which right wing media tends to use the device.
Instead, it was to make you think about everything that was uncovered (again, thank god for the free press), and whether it was OK (as Schiff said).
Obviously, my contention is that it wasn’t OK, and if this type of stuff is allowed moving forward, we’re screwed (referencing the things that Schiff pointed out).
Hope everyone has a great weekend.
