The consequences of living in a pro-Trump county
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Wow. This from the guy who wrote in Post No. 188, "I don't give two shits about Trunp."
And yet here you are again.
Nonsense. He said it related directly to Trump's actions. Plain words: Trump will obey only if he wants to
I don't give two shits about Trump. Why would I. He's a resident of Palm who will never be President again. You shouldn't care either.
I know you don't like the dude either. But an election doesn't whitewash away his legacy or being a part of American history.
I think by ignoring Trump at this point is like sticking your head in the sand. Another form of denial.
Another consequence of Trump is he was the accelerant to the fracturing of the global alliances. Something that is has more impact to me here rather than the localised politics generally on the WC.
However much we seem to subscribe to the prevailing approach of everyone is an enemy or you are with me or against me attitude, we will need global alliances to bail us out whether its the next pandemic or the next global financial meltdown --- one I foresee us facing in 2025 or later. (The reason for the 2008 meltdown wasn't so bad was the global cooperation, a lesson learned from the Great Depression.)
So I am not sure with the prevailing attitudes and politics we will have the cooperative tools in place to fend off the next one.
Also, this 'he's gone so let's start over' approach explains why the US foreign policy is so fecked up. The rest of the world doesn't see it as a re-set every time a new POTUS comes in. The next POTUS cant just wash his hands off it. The ROW doesn't see the US policy as different --- they have to own Trump and his approach/policies and the consequences.
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You're not very good at talking to non-lawyers. You need me to translate.
Hahaha I do like that. His words were plain. What you're trying to impute doesn't match his plain words
He thinks by stacking the court Trump has carte Blanche to do whatever. It's stupid Trump obsession and little understanding of...anything.
Trust me, McM isn't half as bad as my brother in law. Every conversation with him is like talking to a prosecutor.
I think it matches more closely than your response. Which is why you need a translator! $59/hour if you want to make it official.
Disagree; but that's a pretty fair rate
I hope you are correct that he won't be President again.
Even so, he still remains a detrimental influence on national politics. Without Trump (even if only an ex-President), there would be far fewer Boeberts, Taylor-Greenes, Gohmerts, Gaetzes, Hawleys and other wannabes.
Will there be less Biden's, Harris', AOC's, Pete's, Tlaib's, and Cori Bush's? Because in your wrongheadedness you fail to realize the Right feels the same way about those people. Calling cops murderers. Saying the judicial system is broken. Race baiters. Spending like crazy contributing to a labor shortage and inflation. And that has nothing to do with Trump. They have been far more impactful on my life in ten months than anything Trump did in four years.
It's all perspective.
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His influence has a body count now well up into six figures, a detriment to all of humanity, the orange grim reaper.
I had two hardcore Repubs in my home this evening....2X Trump voters.
In low voices they both wish he would die before '24.
That's the real base of the Republican party.
There hasn't been a decent presidential candidate from either major party in the general during my voting lifetime that has run on what's truly important to me. I finally stopped holding my nose and voting for the shit birds foisted upon us a few election cycles ago.
Again I'd take him over the current admin without blinking an eye. One undermines our elections, the other law enforcement and the judicial system. One gives tacit approval to white supremacists; the other are race-baiters. Covid deaths are no different. Biden/Harris are every bit the dividers that Trump was. It's a wash. Both groups are phonies. Sooooo
The biggest difference I see was my Sbx was always staffed under Trump, and under Biden, not so much.
Manchin 2024?
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All somewhat valid.
My point was that conservatives (on here, at least) are doing their damnedest to try to trivialize 1/6, Trump's influence on the GOP, etc, by merely pointing out that he is no longer president. Then those same people will turn around and wail about Clinton and Obama.
We can argue about Biden vs. Trump and other similar topics, but to try and act like he is some unimportant clown whose power disappeared when he got beat(badly) is disingenuous, and is the GOP's way of saying "Hey, look over there!"
If anyone has TDS, it's the GOP. Kick his sorry ass to the curb. You (not you) don't get to cry about TDS, then give him a pass. Once you scrap him off, I think you will find Dems more than willing to move on.
I get what you're saying but I just don't put that much importance in him. I just don't care. I don't think he's any worse than what we have for the reasons set forth so I don't think he's as bad as many do. Again I would rather have him than Biden or Harris. I hope that we have a better candidate but if we don't I would vote for Trump over Biden or Harris or Pete. But I would hope DeSantis or Christie or a million others would beat Trump first.
The one difference I will grant is that Trump attracts far more exceedingly devoted whackjobs than your normal candidate.
Ultimately I think his political career is over and he's just counting $20 checks as long as possible.
I also think for Dems he's a distraction and it inures to their benefit to keep the focus on him
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Yes, exactly: Hey don't look at all the problems; look over there at Trump and please don't forget Jan 6
See...just like your silly argument that the Dems use more scare tactics than the GOP, your bias has clouded your judgement.
To each his own. Me, I just can't get past the lawlessness and corruption. Maybe I'm naive.
I don't think the Dems use more scare tactics than the Republicans. I think it's political. Their approval ratings are garbage and their strength is in attacking Trump. They can't run on things going well. I think it's pretty transparent.
The Biden lawlessness is as brazen as a San Francisco shoplifter. This is new. It used to be that the executive would test the outer limits of authority and leave it to the courts to decide what those limits are. Biden knows those limits, but openly defies SCOTUS, and his chief of staff openly brags about believing they found a “work around” the constitution.
But so many voters on the Rep side of the ledger do care. Right now the only thing that could feasibly prevent the Reps from winning the pres election in 2024 is Trump running. Honestly. The Dems are a complete mess of a party with infighting galore, no coherent message, grandstanders (that's everywhere but still). The Dem ethos is smarmy to so many in this country and they are completely blind to it. AND I VOTE FOR FAR MORE DEMS THAN REPS.
And, no, the Reps aren't going to get many of my votes behaving like Tom Cotton, MTG, Boebert, Gohmert, Jordan, Gaetz, etal. I like Reps that govern. Examples include Holcomb here in Indiana, Mitchy D, GWB absent the Iraq war (can't really undo that), Larry Hogan/MItt Romeny (both govs in blue states who were forced by demographics to work with Dems).
The only reason I still find the Reps more off putting isn't their ideology so much as it is their number 1 priority being owning the libs. I mean, say what you will about the kooky ideas of AOC, Jayapal and others but they are ideas that you can point and laugh at if you so desire. But they also represent the opening position of a negotiation. There is no other side to that negotiation right now. I get that both sides seem to be "taking their ball and going home" but at least one side is offering up something.
Trump is used as a pejorative. Trumper etc. After seeing Biden and Harris I sat out the last election but absolutely would vote for Trump over them next election. I hope I have a better choice but....
As for ideas that's politics. The Dems came with ideas for massive spending bills. I don't want it. I'd prefer the Repubs bring little in the way of ideas. That's great. I don't want new programs. But I do agree with your point to an extent
But there are problems to solve. If the Reps idea of governing is to wait for the other side to offer something and then mock it, what are they doing?
Many of the "problems" Dems want to solve Repubs don't believe are the gov's responsibility to solve. We didn't need the stim bill before infrastructure. We don't need BBB. I disagree that gov has to take on so much.
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Of course there are problems to solve. But the notion that we can only solve those problems with more regulation, more law, and more spending is not the solution. Russia‘s 100,000+ troops on the Ukranian border is a problem, China’s rehearsal for military action at Taiwan is a problem, Afghanistan is still a problem, freight transportation is a problem, lawlessness in some cities is so bad that news organizations can’t even report with location reporting is a problem, the border is a problem, covid is a problem, critical employee shortage is a problem and on and on. What we need is leaders who recognize problems, who know how to address these problems, and actually want to solve these problems. We have a D- government right now on all fronts.
Wow NPR. No agenda there. I would expect a more open society to have a higher death rate. Freedom does a price. That said, "There are lies, damned lies and statistics," Mark Twain.
Are the Rebs out there right now stumping with their solutions to these problems whether they be local/federal, public-private partnerships, charities, saber rattling? No, they're just owning the libs.
You mentioned the freight transportation problem. I heard Ol Joe caused that. Ok, fine. What's the Reps solution? The border is apparently a problem. Again Ol Joe asleep at the wheel. But what's the Reps solution - blame Joe? IF the Reps are out there offering solutions to all the above problems they've got a shitty way of getting them out there (which is odd as Fox News is a literal mouthpiece for the Reps party).
I agree wholeheartedly with you on the leadership we need right now. 1000000%. And I get their aren't a ton of leaders on either side. And don't give me McConnel or Pelosi. Both are political whores who only exist to demonize the other side and get their side over the finish line on election day. But don't hold the Dems to a standard the Reps have no desire to achieve.
As always, we have the government we voted for. Even worse, we have the government we were allowed to vote for based on teh offerings of these shitty parties.
TDS wouldn‘t be so bad if it were just confined to posters here, other Democrats out there, and the media. It also resides in the West Wing in and in the cabinet agencies. That against our interest. Biden’s abrupt termination of all of Trump’s foreign border agreements is a problem we can never pay for. His termination of wall construction in progress will cost us millions in contractual default compensation, not to mention all the stockpiles of materials, including high tech surveillance equipment, wasting away in the dessert. “AbrahamAccords” are a good thing. Now that term can’t even be mentioned while Biden kicked that effort to the curb. China and Russia are proceeding unrestrained because Biden relaxed everything Trump did to keep both boxed in. And energy! Good lord.
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