I see where you are confused. I should have added no arrests for stealing and defunding police to bail reform. The cult liberalism believes all of these will create "social justice".
The consequences of living in a pro-Trump county
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I would call myself liberal and I've never heard any rational person suggest that. Get off of Facebook.
So there has been no bail reform? And stealing has not been allowed? And nobody and no city is trying to (or has) defunded the police?
Please advise if you need more examples.
Mandelman also suggested that the ordinance is intended to help offset the losses that cannabis retailers have suffered from widespread theft in San Francisco, which has seen a staggering surge in crime during the past year.
"Cannabis businesses, along with many other retailers in San Francisco, are struggling under the weight of out-of-control retail theft," Mandelman said. "San Francisco needs to do more to protect these businesses, their employees, and their customers before we hit them with a new tax."
San Francisco crime surge prompts city to suspend cannabis tax to help dispensaries versus drug dealers
City supervisors in San Francisco unanimously approved an ordinance suspending the city's business tax on cannabis retailers last week.
Well, I can speak for Chicago. Police arrested over 3,000 people during looting. The budget for the Police increased. And as for bail reform, it seems that the Illinois system is working. Putting someone in jail for a traffic violation is ridiculous.
Chicago Police Arrested More Than 3,000 People For ‘Civil Unrest,’ Looting In Last 9 Days
CHICAGO — There have been more than 3,000 arrests in Chicago in the nine days since protests began over the killing of George Floyd. The city has been
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‘No Question:' Lightfoot Says Chicago Police Budget Will Increase in New Fiscal Year
Chicago Mayor Lori Lightfoot unveiled her budget proposal for FY 2022 on Wednesday, and even amid ongoing conflict between her administration and the union that represents the officers of the Chicago Police Department, she says that there is “no question” that the department’s budget will be...
www.nbcchicago.com
Did Illinois get bail reform right? Criminal justice advocates are optimistic
“We live in a system today where we use money as the sole determining factor in determining whether somebody is going to be in jail or out of jail," one justice advocate said.
www.nbcnews.com
A kid steals a backpack and because his family is so poor they couldn't pay the $3,000 bail, so he's sent to Rikers Island (for a backpack!) for 3 years and comes out so mentally ill that he blows his brains out? Does that make any sense? What is wrong with trying to improve? Do things smarter and better?
Want to fix the criminal justice system? Start by getting rid of bail.
Hundreds of thousands of unconvicted people languish in jails on any given day simply because they can’t afford bail.
www.vox.com
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Well, I can speak for Chicago. Police arrested over 3,000 people during looting. The budget for the Police increased. And as for bail reform, it seems that the Illinois system is working. Putting someone in jail for a traffic violation is ridiculous.
Chicago Police Arrested More Than 3,000 People For ‘Civil Unrest,’ Looting In Last 9 Days
CHICAGO — There have been more than 3,000 arrests in Chicago in the nine days since protests began over the killing of George Floyd. The city has been
‘No Question:' Lightfoot Says Chicago Police Budget Will Increase in New Fiscal Year
Chicago Mayor Lori Lightfoot unveiled her budget proposal for FY 2022 on Wednesday, and even amid ongoing conflict between her administration and the union that represents the officers of the Chicago Police Department, she says that there is “no question” that the department’s budget will be...
The consequences of living in a pro-Trump county
Huh? I see where you are confused. I should have added no arrests for stealing and defunding police to bail reform. The cult liberalism believes all of these will create "social justice".indiana.forums.rivals.com
The suspect in the Waukesha parade tragedy was out on bond after allegedly running over a woman earlier this month | CNN
The man accused of careening his SUV into a Wisconsin parade was a registered sex offender in Nevada and had an active arrest warrant there, court records show. He also stopped in a stranger's home after the deadly parade tragedy.
So he was out on bail. Which means he paid bail. Is that confusing to you?Please advise if you need more examples.
Mandelman also suggested that the ordinance is intended to help offset the losses that cannabis retailers have suffered from widespread theft in San Francisco, which has seen a staggering surge in crime during the past year.
"Cannabis businesses, along with many other retailers in San Francisco, are struggling under the weight of out-of-control retail theft," Mandelman said. "San Francisco needs to do more to protect these businesses, their employees, and their customers before we hit them with a new tax."
San Francisco crime surge prompts city to suspend cannabis tax to help dispensaries versus drug dealers
City supervisors in San Francisco unanimously approved an ordinance suspending the city's business tax on cannabis retailers last week.news.yahoo.com
We don’t trust MSM on the WC. Get wit it A squared.The suspect in the Waukesha parade tragedy was out on bond after allegedly running over a woman earlier this month | CNN
The man accused of careening his SUV into a Wisconsin parade was a registered sex offender in Nevada and had an active arrest warrant there, court records show. He also stopped in a stranger's home after the deadly parade tragedy.www.cnn.com
I think that's your territory. None of that happened in Chicago. There was a reform bill so that someone with traffic tickets wouldn't sit in jail for months waiting for his trial. He wouldn't lose his job, his family, and relationships... and it's costing the taxpayers ridiculous amounts of money.
"In Texas, 64-year-old Preston Chaney died of Covid-19 after spending more than three months in jail because he was unable to pay $100 bail after being accused of stealing lawn equipment and frozen meat, the Houston Chronicle reported earlier this month."
The idea is keeping dangerous criminals in jail until their trial, and letting people with minor violations, who simply don't have any money to avoid a lengthy jail term for the simple reason that he or she is too poor to even get a few hundred dollars to bail out.
"In Texas, 64-year-old Preston Chaney died of Covid-19 after spending more than three months in jail because he was unable to pay $100 bail after being accused of stealing lawn equipment and frozen meat, the Houston Chronicle reported earlier this month."
The idea is keeping dangerous criminals in jail until their trial, and letting people with minor violations, who simply don't have any money to avoid a lengthy jail term for the simple reason that he or she is too poor to even get a few hundred dollars to bail out.
I'm late to this thread, so will just throw out a few comments that may or may not touch on some of the topics that have been discussed...
I've given up on expecting or wanting or even hoping that any of the mitigation efforts or vaccine mandates are going to be followed. Morons gonna moron, and the morons have won. Let the unvaxxed get sick, be hospitalized, or die. And yes, that might also mean some additional hospitalizations and deaths among the most vulnerable, even though they've taken every precaution. And yes, that may mean that hospitals may become overwhelmed and people with other health issues will have difficulty receiving care. Again, the morons have won. My dad always said that underestimating the stupidity of the public was was a dangerous thing.
The only hope I have remaining is that Omicron overwhelms and supplants Delta, but turns out to be less virulent (which appears might be the case based on what little info is available). Covid Omicron may end up being more infectious and widespread, but if it's less debilitating or deadly, that's a better outcome on the grand scale. It may be bad for those who suffer breakthough infections and for those who end up hospitalized or dead due to vaccine-induced immunity being less robust against Omicron... but the morons have won.
I've given up on expecting or wanting or even hoping that any of the mitigation efforts or vaccine mandates are going to be followed. Morons gonna moron, and the morons have won. Let the unvaxxed get sick, be hospitalized, or die. And yes, that might also mean some additional hospitalizations and deaths among the most vulnerable, even though they've taken every precaution. And yes, that may mean that hospitals may become overwhelmed and people with other health issues will have difficulty receiving care. Again, the morons have won. My dad always said that underestimating the stupidity of the public was was a dangerous thing.
The only hope I have remaining is that Omicron overwhelms and supplants Delta, but turns out to be less virulent (which appears might be the case based on what little info is available). Covid Omicron may end up being more infectious and widespread, but if it's less debilitating or deadly, that's a better outcome on the grand scale. It may be bad for those who suffer breakthough infections and for those who end up hospitalized or dead due to vaccine-induced immunity being less robust against Omicron... but the morons have won.
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Mostly agree. I have a hard time characterizing a healthy 22 yr old kid a moron for not wanting to get vaccinated yet - for a number of reasons
You will likely find this story on virtually every media publication available. Search away.
“HEALTHY” isn’t exclusive to 22 year olds. Then there is the 48,000,000 who have natural immunity but not vaccinated who are thrown into the “unvaccinated” category.
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Got a tree today. The tree that would have been $80 last year is now $130.
I can’t believe you mostly agree with the hate Mark is throwing. All these mandates and lockdowns have been bull. Why hope Omicron is horrible? Why not hope it’s Covid fizzling out?
I am upset how the Amish have reacted to Covid in our community. I’d never root for them or anyone else to die.
Well, I can speak for Chicago. Police arrested over 3,000 people during looting. The budget for the Police increased. And as for bail reform, it seems that the Illinois system is working. Putting someone in jail for a traffic violation is ridiculous.
Chicago Police Arrested More Than 3,000 People For ‘Civil Unrest,’ Looting In Last 9 Days
CHICAGO — There have been more than 3,000 arrests in Chicago in the nine days since protests began over the killing of George Floyd. The city has been
‘No Question:' Lightfoot Says Chicago Police Budget Will Increase in New Fiscal Year
Chicago Mayor Lori Lightfoot unveiled her budget proposal for FY 2022 on Wednesday, and even amid ongoing conflict between her administration and the union that represents the officers of the Chicago Police Department, she says that there is “no question” that the department’s budget will be...
Did Illinois get bail reform right? Criminal justice advocates are optimistic
“We live in a system today where we use money as the sole determining factor in determining whether somebody is going to be in jail or out of jail," one justice advocate said.
Hmmm???
Some good news here. Not!
Chicago crime numbers released: Shootings, murders up compared to October 2020
CHICAGO — The Chicago Police Department released its October crime report Monday.In Chicago, the violent crime is still on track to top 2020. Through the end of October this year, compared to the s…
wgntv.com
Guess she learned her lesson and left the cult.
After Caving to Defund Movement in 2020, Chicago Mayor Lightfoot Proposes More Police Funding as Crime Continues to Spiral - National Police Support Fund
After caving to defund movement in 2020, Chicago Mayor Lightfoot proposes more police funding as crime continues to spiral.
nationalpolicesupportfund.com
I am sure it will be so much better when the law goes into effect in 2023.
Illinois criminal justice reform ends cash bail, changes felony murder rule
Illinois Gov. J.B. Pritzker signs historic criminal justice reform package into law, reforming almost every area of the justice system — from police accountability to pretrial detention to sentencing.
www.injusticewatch.org
Im for vaccines and against lockdowns. I agree with mark that worrying about it at this point is futile. You can't convince/coerce those who don't want it so it's useless to worry about
Honest question that I’ve been thinking about (for anyone on the WC).. Will this create a larger anti-vax movement even for the vaccines that have been standard?
And does anyone think that’s a positive?
What exactly is the debate about on this topic? Just seems everyone shouting over each other.
The data is pretty clear and indisputable on two things....
1) Trump voters have been vaccinated at lower rates than Biden voters.... (we seem to ignore non- voters, even though there are nearly as many of them as total voters, but whatever)
And 2) vaccinations greatly reduce mortality rates from Covid.
I never imagined the idea of vaccinations would be so closely correlated with political leanings, but here we are. So many people are personally offended by data, which is humorous and sad at the same time.
The data is pretty clear and indisputable on two things....
1) Trump voters have been vaccinated at lower rates than Biden voters.... (we seem to ignore non- voters, even though there are nearly as many of them as total voters, but whatever)
And 2) vaccinations greatly reduce mortality rates from Covid.
I never imagined the idea of vaccinations would be so closely correlated with political leanings, but here we are. So many people are personally offended by data, which is humorous and sad at the same time.
I could be wrong but I think it's unrelated. People don't want the Covid vax because it's novel, because of misinformation, because of real concerns, because of old govt activity against blacks, because of crazy right wing politics, etc. None of that bears much on existing vaccines.
I hope you’re right. Some on here even claim that this vax needs more time for study (I disagree and understand their POV) but I have a feeling this attitude/outlook might go beyond Covid in the next 15-20 years. Queue Facebook meme.
So Omicon may be the thing that lets this thing peter out, just like the non vaxxed have been saying. Isn't that a win for them?
Then you say it may be bad for the vaxxed who die because of the vax not working for the Omicon. Is this kind of like the traffic pattern of a NASCAR race?
So, she didn't defund the police, but she's still wrong in your mind? Got it!Hmmm???
Some good news here. Not!
Chicago crime numbers released: Shootings, murders up compared to October 2020
CHICAGO — The Chicago Police Department released its October crime report Monday.In Chicago, the violent crime is still on track to top 2020. Through the end of October this year, compared to the s…
Guess she learned her lesson and left the cult.
After Caving to Defund Movement in 2020, Chicago Mayor Lightfoot Proposes More Police Funding as Crime Continues to Spiral - National Police Support Fund
After caving to defund movement in 2020, Chicago Mayor Lightfoot proposes more police funding as crime continues to spiral.
I am sure it will be so much better when the law goes into effect in 2023.
Illinois criminal justice reform ends cash bail, changes felony murder rule
Illinois Gov. J.B. Pritzker signs historic criminal justice reform package into law, reforming almost every area of the justice system — from police accountability to pretrial detention to sentencing.
Murders in the US increased in 2020 by 30%. That is the biggest increase in murders since records have been kept. I believe trump was the president in 2020, no? The previous increase in the US murder rate was 12.6%
Murder Rose by Almost 30% in 2020. It’s Rising at a Slower Rate in 2021. (Published 2021)
The increase in U.S. murders this summer does not appear to be as large as the record spike last summer.
The murder rate has slowed in 2021. It is up approximately 16% this year.
US records largest annual increase in murders in six decades
National murder rate rises nearly 30%, with figure increasing across all regions and from small towns to cities
Bottom line. It's not a "big city problem". It's a national problem.
A "win"? 800,000 dead Americans? That's f*cking sick.
Either your reading comprehension sucks or I'm a terrible writer.
Here is the headline:
Evidence is building that immunity from Covid-19 infection is at least as strong as that from vaccination. Scientists are divided on the implications for vaccine policy.
Some tidbits from article:
The role of immunity from infection, which scientists have been trying to figure out since the outset of the pandemic, has gained fresh significance amid the controversy over vaccine mandates.
Vaccines typically give rise to a stronger antibody response than infection, which might make them better at fending off the virus in the short term. Infection triggers a response that evolves over time, possibly making it more robust in the long term. A combination of both types appears to be stronger than either alone. But the jury is out on whether one form is stronger than the other, and whether their relative strength even matters for vaccine policy.
Immunity from infection hasn’t been studied as extensively as vaccine-mediated immunity. But over the course of the pandemic, clues have emerged to suggest the two are at least equivalent.
A recent Israeli study found that people who had been vaccinated with two shots of the vaccine developed by Pfizer Inc. and BioNTech SE—the most commonly used there—were 13 times more likely to later get infected than those with a prior infection. The study, which hasn’t been peer reviewed, tracked confirmed infections between June and August this year for people who had been either vaccinated or infected in January or February.
Evidence is building that immunity from Covid-19 infection is at least as strong as that from vaccination. Scientists are divided on the implications for vaccine policy.
Some tidbits from article:
The role of immunity from infection, which scientists have been trying to figure out since the outset of the pandemic, has gained fresh significance amid the controversy over vaccine mandates.
Vaccines typically give rise to a stronger antibody response than infection, which might make them better at fending off the virus in the short term. Infection triggers a response that evolves over time, possibly making it more robust in the long term. A combination of both types appears to be stronger than either alone. But the jury is out on whether one form is stronger than the other, and whether their relative strength even matters for vaccine policy.
Immunity from infection hasn’t been studied as extensively as vaccine-mediated immunity. But over the course of the pandemic, clues have emerged to suggest the two are at least equivalent.
A recent Israeli study found that people who had been vaccinated with two shots of the vaccine developed by Pfizer Inc. and BioNTech SE—the most commonly used there—were 13 times more likely to later get infected than those with a prior infection. The study, which hasn’t been peer reviewed, tracked confirmed infections between June and August this year for people who had been either vaccinated or infected in January or February.
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Wow. That's amazing. People were discussing Covid and you interrupt by deflecting to murder and crime,
You even got DANC to agree with you.
What are you talking about? Republicans have plenty of leadership, all originating from Maralago.
Mar-a-LagoWhat are you talking about? Republicans have plenty of leadership, all originating from Maralago.
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didn't fall as far behind in school LOL
You're smart enough to know those counties are already well behind in the 3 R's ha ha
