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The consequences of living in a pro-Trump county

Do you think Hitler thought his intentions were bad?
I ask because good intentions that are focused on taking from one who does, so you can give to one who doesn't, can not be dressed up in "good intention" cloths.
Our politicians good intentions are totally focused inward.
I fundamentally disagree. Democrats better recognize than Republicans that we're all running a 40 yard dash but some of us have bum knees and bad ankles. I believe Dems often do have better intentions. I just often disagree with their method of delivery
 
Do you think Hitler thought his intentions were bad?
I ask because good intentions that are focused on taking from one who does, so you can give to one who doesn't, can not be dressed up in "good intention" cloths.
Our politicians good intentions are totally focused inward.

Well lookiethere... someone finally beat Floor to the Godwin post.
 
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I just often disagree with their method of delivery
Actually, then we do not disagree on any of it. We all strive for everyone to find success to the 40 yrd line. One side wants both parties to be empowered to earn it while one side just wants to let one party start on the 30.
Those mean "pubs" want to remove obstacles so everyone can win. Those emotional "Dems" want to just give an undeserved head start. And I am not using Pubs and Dems as our elected officials, I mean us, those on both sides of how to empower everyone.
 
Actually, then we do not disagree on any of it. We all strive for everyone to find success to the 40 yrd line. One side wants both parties to be empowered to earn it while one side just wants to let one party start on the 30.
Those mean "pubs" want to remove obstacles so everyone can win. Those emotional "Dems" want to just give an undeserved head start. And I am not using Pubs and Dems as our elected officials, I mean us, those on both sides of how to empower everyone.
I won't belabor it but I don't think Dems want an advantage. I think most just want to take off from the same starting line and republicans don't adequately recognize the disadvantages some carry
 
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Yeah, the numbers are from the FBI Annual Report on Crime. I think the FBI knows what a murder is. Take it up with them, since this has been calculated by them since 1960.


Aaaand you're wrong again about Lightfoot defunding the police. The CPD budget has risen for each of the last four year. As for what Mayor Lightfoot thinks:

"Mayor Lightfoot has been clear that she does not support defunding the police, a demand from activists nationwide that gained prominence this summer."

"As for Lightfoot cutting the police budget, The pandemic has put the City of Chicago in a $1.2 billion dollar deficit. Other city departments are facing much steeper cuts than the CPD. Overall, the city’s corporate fund (its general operating budget which funds basic city operations) is projected to shrink by 9% in 2021, but CPD’s allocation from the corporate fund will only drop by about 5%."

"The mayor’s proposed budget includes an $80 million reduction in tax dollars going to CPD, but only about $34 million will come from cuts in vacant positions, according to figures provided by the Mayor’s office to City Bureau and Injustice Watch. The rest will either be offset by grant funding or will be reallocated to the city’s Office of Public Safety Administration to fund clerical jobs once held by cops."

"87% of Chicago residents said more money should be taken from the CPD." “She looked for feedback. She received the feedback. She did not like the feedback and she said, ‘Yeah, but we’re not doing that ...we have to fund police,’ even though we have been funding police at a much higher rate.”


You can't increase a budget when there is no money to do it.


First, thank for the link to the FBI report. I did do some looking but could not find my answer of how the FBI defines murder. Is is based on the charge or the conviction? Is manslaughter included or does it have its own category. Nonetheless, I understand that the FBI knows what murder is. I just wanted to know how they define it.

As for the part you feel I was wrong, you posted a compelling argument in defense of Lightfoot. Like I said, maybe she learned and decided not to be a part of the cult of no bail and free theft. However, later in that article a professor stated that not filling open positions is by default defunding the police. I do agree that hiring would have been difficult as training had been delayed.

As for the budget, there are priorities. And it was not high enough on her list to fund police. That's fine and she is entitled to put public safety lower on the list. There is a reason the police don't like her.

But you want to focus on one city, but you know many larger, democrat run cities, have looked to defund and have defunded police. Cities and states have eliminated bail. And many people believe we don't need police at all. Those are the ones in the cult. Sadly, some like Garcon in LA, get elected.
 
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Why should Trump be an obsession as you put it?

Every significant POTUS has long term implications or impact. FDR and the New Deal, LBJ and the Civil Rights Act etc.
The big problem with politics and life in general is that it's merged into one big game -- the gamification of American politics. Blue versus Red. There is a finite time to each 'battle'. 40mins or 1 hour, election cycles.

That's how people see things --- when the reality is that there are perpetual consequences or knock-on effects of any 'significant' POTUS.

Also, the difference in Trump is that a great section of the American population cannot believe that the country was so gullible to have voted for such a con-man.
They don't want to believe that such a big proportion of the country could be so foolish and continue to remain so. It affects who they see themselves to be, being American as their identity.

In parallel, many still continue to believe him on claims like the Attack on the Congress/Fraudulent Election, the Covid Pandemic Management Disaster -- whether claiming it wasn't a problem and it's under control.
Trump's long term consequence of politicising healthcare which all contributed to hundreds of thousands of unnecessary deaths -- can continue to do so.

So is it an obsession? Or do a lot of people not want to believe that the country that they live in actually had Trump as their leader? Obsession probably not. But the denial or disbelief of who they think they are as Americans is the more likely.

 
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Democrats opposed most of these.
It's a nice sleight of hand since it was the Republican party that was liberal and the Democrats the party of slave owners and Jim Crow.
Republicans may have been liberal for the times, but I'd call them "principled'.

Democrats have never been principled and their entire raison d'etre is to buy votes.
 
....And kids didn't fall as far behind in school, and businesses stayed open, and livelihoods were maintained, and sports were played, and birthdays were celebrated, and people got on with it

And those people were going to die of something else anyway, so why worry if it's hastened by a virus?

I'm all for masks and vaccines. Shaming and politicizing isn't the path. Blacks are hospitalized at 3x the rate as whites.. Hospitizatin is the marked we use. Their vax latex are low. Where are the left's attacks on blacks. Shooter is a far left nut who wants to attack on politics not address a health issue
Who do you think first politicized COVID?

Where is the left's attacks on black who aren't getting vaccinated? If you were paying attention you'd know their mistrust of the vaccine is about the vaccine, not some misplaced symbol of freedom vs tyranny.

You don't spend a lot of time in basketball gyms, do you? If so, I bet you don't spend a lot of time in multiple gyms in multiple communities. I'm not judging you when I say that. I'm just guessing it's a numbers game. No one goes to as many different gyms as I do.


Those who have fought COVID measures on the basis of freedom are the ones politicizing this, and any measure to counteract that has either been necessary or compelled.

I say that as someone who lost a lot of business due to COVID.
 
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I don’t care what you say, they are teaching CRT at Carmel!
 
And those people were going to die of something else anyway, so why worry if it's hastened by a virus?


Who do you think first politicized COVID?

Where is the left's attacks on black who aren't getting vaccinated? If you were paying attention you'd know their mistrust of the vaccine is about the vaccine, not some misplaced symbol of freedom vs tyranny.

You don't spend a lot of time in basketball gyms, do you? If so, I bet you don't spend a lot of time in multiple gyms in multiple communities. I'm not judging you when I say that. I'm just guessing it's a numbers game. No one goes to as many different gyms as I do.


Those who have fought COVID measures on the basis of freedom are the ones politicizing this, and any measure to counteract that has either been necessary or compelled.

I say that as someone who lost a lot of business due to COVID.

And those people were going to die of something else anyway, so why worry if it's hastened by a virus?


Who do you think first politicized COVID?

Where is the left's attacks on black who aren't getting vaccinated? If you were paying attention you'd know their mistrust of the vaccine is about the vaccine, not some misplaced symbol of freedom vs tyranny.

You don't spend a lot of time in basketball gyms, do you? If so, I bet you don't spend a lot of time in multiple gyms in multiple communities. I'm not judging you when I say that. I'm just guessing it's a numbers game. No one goes to as many different gyms as I do.


Those who have fought COVID measures on the basis of freedom are the ones politicizing this, and any measure to counteract that has either been necessary or compelled.

I say that as someone who lost a lot of business due to COVID.
Just heard on the radio on the way to dropping my daughter at school the Covid impact on depression and anxiety on kids. Just one of the myriad deleterious impacts from Covid. Hastening deaths is heart-rending, but locking down society was never the answer.

Both parties have politicized Covid.

I'm well aware of Tuskegee and the history of vaccines with Blacks.

As for losing business; I lost millions. Millions. We were in final negotiations to be bought out by a company that has been around since the early 1900s. They filed for bankruptcy last year as a result of Covid. Had the sale gone through I'd have been chasing Dr. Hoops around the world like the bon vivant I deserve to be
 
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Democrats opposed most of these.
It's a nice sleight of hand since it was the Republican party that was liberal and the Democrats the party of slave owners and Jim Crow.

The difference between political platforms and political dispositions. Those two things converged and flip flopped in the early 1900's.

Since then it can be argued the GOP has fought extremely hard since then to make sure white men retain as much power as they could, doing everything possible to suppress the vote, been in charge for the two largest financial meltdowns--mostly due to deregulation so their white friends could get wealthier, and recently seen one President resign from office with another getting impeached twice.
 
Just heard on the radio on the way to dropping my daughter at school the Covid impact on depression and anxiety on kids. Just one of the myriad deleterious impacts from Covid. Hastening deaths is heart-rending, but locking down society was never the answer.

Both parties have politicized Covid.

I'm well aware of Tuskegee and the history of vaccines with Blacks.

As for losing business; I lost millions. Millions. We were in final negotiations to be bought out by a company that has been around since the early 1900s. They filed for bankruptcy last year as a result of Covid. Had the sale gone through I'd have been chasing Dr. Hoops around the world like the bon vivant I deserve to be

You just heard that about anxiety on school children? We were talking about it in real time. Sorry you're so behind.

Society was never locked down. Not here at least. We have a kid from Spain in our program. They went home during spring break of 2020. They couldn't leave their homes for anything for 10 weeks.

We were never locked down.

The only things I couldn't do was eat at restaurants/bars and go do entertaining things. Schools were off limits for two months.
 
You just heard that about anxiety on school children? We were talking about it in real time. Sorry you're so behind.

Society was never locked down. Not here at least. We have a kid from Spain in our program. They went home during spring break of 2020. They couldn't leave their homes for anything for 10 weeks.

We were never locked down.

The only things I couldn't do was eat at restaurants/bars and go do entertaining things. Schools were off limits for two months.
No I didn't just hear it. I heard it again this morning. We did a year of zoom with no in-school classes. I'm acutely aware of its impact on kids. I have kids in school. Do you? What grades? Did you sit through a bunch of Parent/Teacher conferences on Zoom for a year?

The company that was buying us out was in Illinois. The county was on lockdown. HIgh school sports were shut down in Illinois. They filed for bankruptcy.
 
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The difference between political platforms and political dispositions. Those two things converged and flip flopped in the early 1900's.

Since then it can be argued the GOP has fought extremely hard since then to make sure white men retain as much power as they could, doing everything possible to suppress the vote, been in charge for the two largest financial meltdowns--mostly due to deregulation so their white friends could get wealthier, and recently seen one President resign from office with another getting impeached twice.
Who recently resigned?
 
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NPR's reporting is regularly at or near the top in all media accuracy analyses,

so... yes, we should pay attention to (and even "like") NPR reporting.

Supported facts are good...
 
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Actually, then we do not disagree on any of it. We all strive for everyone to find success to the 40 yrd line. One side wants both parties to be empowered to earn it while one side just wants to let one party start on the 30.
Those mean "pubs" want to remove obstacles so everyone can win. Those emotional "Dems" want to just give an undeserved head start. And I am not using Pubs and Dems as our elected officials, I mean us, those on both sides of how to empower everyone.

Which party is gerrymandering the crap out of their states trying to maximize their seats?

Which party is removing polling locations in crowded areas and trying to make it harder to vote without any evidence that those changes are doing anything to combat actual voter fraud?

Delusional much?
 
No I didn't just hear it. I heard it again this morning. We did a year of zoom with no in-school classes. I'm acutely aware of its impact on kids. I have kids in school. Do you? What grades? Did you sit through a bunch of Parent/Teacher conferences on Zoom for a year?

The company that was buying us out was in Illinois. The county was on lockdown. HIgh school sports were shut down in Illinois. They filed for bankruptcy.

I sat through a few of them. I coach kids, deal with ten families in that regard, and live with a woman with two kids. I'm acutely aware too, as well as the impact on other families.

I really don't care who bought you out, no offense, didn't mean it as a comparative discussion. I was just stating a short passage for context, that despite losing business, I supported our state's measures vs. COVID.
 
Nixon.

Given the context of the discussion that's a pretty recent resignation, given that he was five elected GOP presidents ago.
Are you like 160? That was 50 years ago doesnt really seem recent or very relevant to today to me. Clinton a Dem was impeached which you didnt mention and a whole lot closer to today
 
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I sat through a few of them. I coach kids, deal with ten families in that regard, and live with a woman with two kids. I'm acutely aware too, as well as the impact on other families.

I really don't care who bought you out, no offense, didn't mean it as a comparative discussion. I was just stating a short passage for context, that despite losing business, I supported our state's measures vs. COVID.
Then you shouldn't have brought it up "as someone who lost a lot of business" I guess. I have no idea what state you're in, nor do I care, no offense. Many states went too far
 
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Then you shouldn't have brought it up "as someone who lost a lot of business" I guess. I have no idea what state you're in, nor do I care, no offense. Many states went too far

Lots of people were against COVID measures because it impacted them in negative ways. I didn't like losing business. I definitely didn't like losing my biggest outside client. I understood the need for preventative measures.

There are a lot of idiots out there who would've acted without much regard for others.

My mother and grandmother's lives were mostly unaffected, beyond wearing a mask. That's more important to me than the whims of the Gravy Seals, the deniers and the freedom fighters.

I feel for the reasonable people who struggled through it, but I set my life up 20 years ago to be independent. I love what I do, so I'll enjoy working to build it back up.
 
Are you like 160? That was 50 years ago doesnt really seem recent or very relevant to today to me. Clinton a Dem was impeached which you didnt mention and a whole lot closer to today

Clinton was impeached for lying about having sex with an intern. Not exactly a political scandal.

50 years ago is recent when the post I responded to referred to events that happened long before it. I get that the context was lost on you, but you'd be better served going forward if you read what was replied to before you reply.
 
Lots of people were against COVID measures because it impacted them in negative ways. I didn't like losing business. I definitely didn't like losing my biggest outside client. I understood the need for preventative measures.

There are a lot of idiots out there who would've acted without much regard for others.

My mother and grandmother's lives were mostly unaffected, beyond wearing a mask. That's more important to me than the whims of the Gravy Seals, the deniers and the freedom fighters.

I feel for the reasonable people who struggled through it, but I set my life up 20 years ago to be independent. I love what I do, so I'll enjoy working to build it back up.
Lots of people were against preventative measures because they weren't well thought out; were draconian; and predicated on fear porn perpetuated by the media. Locking down southern Illinois because Chicago is experiencing rate increases is silly. Constantly reporting number of cases as opposed to hospitalization rates, demographics, etc. was fear mongering. Allowing Fauci to be the voice of anything was asinine. Policy is made by considering a multitude of factors: how to isolate those most vulnerable; targeted lockdowns and preventative measures; the impact on kids' mental health; our collective mental health; children's' education; the economy; businesses; livelihoods; and a multitude of other things.

I don't know what a Gravy Seal is though I have heard of it.

I do appreciate federalism very, very much.
 
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As for losing business; I lost millions. Millions. We were in final negotiations to be bought out by a company that has been around since the early 1900s. They filed for bankruptcy last year as a result of Covid. Had the sale gone through I'd have been chasing Dr. Hoops around the world like the bon vivant I deserve to be

Ouch. You could have bought your very own Starbucks franchise (do they even franchise, I have no idea).

I don't know what a Gravy Seal is though I have heard of it.

Here you go:

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Democrats opposed most of these.
It's a nice sleight of hand since it was the Republican party that was liberal and the Democrats the party of slave owners and Jim Crow.
When asked about my political views, it's always fun to say something like "I'm probably what would be most closely described as a Classical Liberal" and then watch the confusion replace the smug look on the faces of a liberal in the discussion when they realize what that really means. The conservatives usually have the same disgusted look beginning to end.
 
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Ouch. You could have bought your very own Starbucks franchise (do they even franchise, I have no idea).



Here you go:

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Negative! It's corporate. It was involving our least profitable portion of our business, by a longshot, so it was tantamount to winning the lottery so I can't be too disappointed, but it obviously would have been great. Our final meeting was literally the very week that Pritzker shut down Illinois. The company, along with a few others in our industry, was later gobbled up by a private equity firm.
 
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Lots of people were against preventative measures because they weren't well thought out; were draconian; and predicated on fear porn perpetuated by the media. Locking down southern Illinois because Chicago is experiencing rate increases is silly. Constantly reporting number of cases as opposed to hospitalization rates, demographics, etc. was fear mongering. Allowing Fauci to be the voice of anything was asinine. Policy is made by considering a multitude of factors: how to isolate those most vulnerable; targeted lockdowns and preventative measures; the impact on kids' mental health; our collective mental health; children's' education; the economy; businesses; livelihoods; and a multitude of other things.

I don't know what a Gravy Seal is though I have heard of it.

I do appreciate federalism very, very much.
I'd agree Illinois went over board, but Indiana was a state that based everything on hospitalizations, gave counties their own guidelines, even cities, they could follow, and still people complained.

It's not fear mongering when the data backed it up. Or lets say this, it's not fear mongering when the discussion is with people who think we shouldn't have done anything.

Like it or not, the baseline rebuttal STARTED with our (p)resident saying it was just 15 cases and would just go away. Trump set people down the path that the rest of it was indeed fear mongering. He didn't want his economic numbers to collapse.

30x deadlier than the flu, and even in the face of vaccines, people still whining about freedom.
 
Ouch. You could have bought your very own Starbucks franchise (do they even franchise, I have no idea).



Here you go:

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Standard issue Gravy Navy Fannie (belly) Pack worn by this fine specimine.

Contains 2 lbs deer jerky, 3 cans Spam, 2 bags pork rinds, pack of marlboros, bottle of Mad Dog 20 20, and a dirty sheinal..
 
Standard issue Gravy Navy Fannie (belly) Pack worn by this fine specimine.

Contains 2 lbs deer jerky, 3 cans Spam, 2 bags pork rinds, pack of marlboros, bottle of Mad Dog 20 20, and a dirty sheinal..
I hope you're not dissing Spam and MD2020
 
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