Serious question about Christianity and MAGA

[CradleofBasketball]

Since evangelical (and what does that term even mean anymore?) Christianity and Trump have become inexplicably woven together, I’m curious how many Trump voters truly read and study the Bible. I’m not being judgmental at all if you don’t. Mine has collected dust for many years at a time through the years. There are great Muslims, great Jews, great atheists, etc… so this is not a proselytizing post. But I’ve read and studied a lot the past few years and I truly don’t see how there is a connection with Trump and Christianity. The words and teachings of Jesus, regardless of what your religious and philosophical thinking in, are in general mostly diametrically opposed to everything Trump says and stands for. I’m sure if anyone answers this will likely turn into a sh!t show like most every other thread, but I’m truly curious and trying to get some clarification so don’t say I don’t try

You say a link between Evangelical Christianity and DJT is inexplicable and your study of the subject matter has not produced a clear connection. Why would that lead you to ask how many Trump voters read the Bible? From who or what source does the "link" narrative originate?

The link, while serving no real purpose other than useful equivocation, is established somewhere in the self-serving US political squabble between left-right, us-against-them, educated-uneducated, and blue-versus-red Tower of Babel discourse that boards like this enjoy. At the most basic level, evangelicals are are a large portion of the Republican voting population and, by extension of straight ticket voting mentality, are probably more likely to have voted for Trump.

 

[WhyisIUBBcursed]

You say a link between Evangelical Christianity and DJT is inexplicable and your study of the subject matter has not produced a clear connection. Why would that lead you to ask how many Trump voters read the Bible? From who or what source does the "link" narrative originate?

The link, while serving no real purpose other than useful equivocation, is established somewhere in the self-serving US political squabble between left-right, us-against-them, educated-uneducated, and blue-versus-red Tower of Babel discourse that boards like this enjoy. At the most basic level, evangelicals are are a large portion of the Republican voting population and, by extension of straight ticket voting mentality, are probably more likely to have voted for Trump.

So you answered my question. No reason to be a jerk about it. I haven’t “studied”
This question. I study the Bible and had what I thought was a legitimate question. Though you answered in an arrogant manner at least you answered

 

[IUfanBorden]

If there were votes to be had by identifying as a Satanist lizard person, DJT would be there. If he were on the Titanic, you'd have seen him in a dress, heels, and makeup.

Same for any politician. Look no further than Harris. She changed everything to fit the need.

I've never understood why some want to act as if DJT invented this shit. Or he's the first corrupt, assclown politician, and/or President. Peoples hate for him runs so deep, that yall believe he's the first of everything.

 

[IUfanBorden]

you guys do not get it, white people have spoken, some black men and Hispanic men. wait till trump gets in office then you will see real bs.

You mean like his first time as POTUS?

I'll take that.

And.remind me, how many rights did blacks, Hispanics lose under his presidency?

You people are fukin idiots

 

[IUfanBorden]

The fruit of the spirit is love joy peace forbearance kindness gentleness faithfulness and self control. Which of these does DJT demonstrate??

Which did Harris?

I could give up plenty of examples of his kindness, gentleness, etc..but you'd just remind how's he Hitler. It's useless to entertain such conversations.

 

[WhyisIUBBcursed]

Which did Harris?

I could give up plenty of examples of his kindness, gentleness, etc..but you'd just remind how's he Hitler. It's useless to entertain such conversations.

Hitler likely did some kind things for some
People

 

[WhyisIUBBcursed]

Which did Harris?

I could give up plenty of examples of his kindness, gentleness, etc..but you'd just remind how's he Hitler. It's useless to entertain such conversations.

Trump = Hitler is a lazy take. But Trump is basically an amalgamation of every 2 bit strongman dictator known in the history of the world. But ya‘lol will be making excuses for him next year when he actually starts doing or trying to do the ridiculous crap that you’ve been laughing off as “that’s just Trump”

 

[IUfanBorden]

Trump = Hitler is a lazy take. But Trump is basically an amalgamation of every 2 bit strongman dictator known in the history of the world. But ya‘lol will be making excuses for him next year when he actually starts doing or trying to do the ridiculous crap that you’ve been laughing off as “that’s just Trump”

What's ridiculous? And some of his ideas, are far less dangerous than what Harris was proposing..or would have tried to do.

If he's such a threat, then why didn't he do all these -crazy' things then?

This dictator shit is as lazy as calling the guy Hitler.

 

[IUfanBorden]

Hitler likely did some kind things for some
People

Yiu guys are genuinely ate the **** up.

I mean, like.scary level shit.

Comparing any American leader(s), to Hitler is broder line insane

 

[bbafficionado]

Since evangelical (and what does that term even mean anymore?) Christianity and Trump have become inexplicably woven together, I’m curious how many Trump voters truly read and study the Bible. I’m not being judgmental at all if you don’t. Mine has collected dust for many years at a time through the years. There are great Muslims, great Jews, great atheists, etc… so this is not a proselytizing post. But I’ve read and studied a lot the past few years and I truly don’t see how there is a connection with Trump and Christianity. The words and teachings of Jesus, regardless of what your religious and philosophical thinking in, are in general mostly diametrically opposed to everything Trump says and stands for. I’m sure if anyone answers this will likely turn into a sh!t show like most every other thread, but I’m truly curious and trying to get some clarification so don’t say I don’t try

I think to really answer this I will go back to when you asked "what does that term even mean anymore". Dust off that bible and read it with an open heart, soul and mind with these questions needing to be answered. And pray on it. Again, pray on it.
What is a Christian?
Who is a Christian?
How do you become a Christian?
What is expected of you as a Christian?
What is a Christians reward?
Many, many call themselves Christians. But have they, and do they follow the teachings of Christ?
I will get to my decision as a Christian to vote for Trump over Harris later. (maybe)

 

[Aloha Hoosier]

This Pastor has some thoughts about it:

Anti-abortion Texas megachurch pastor endorses Harris and slams ‘race-baiting’ Trump

William Dwight McKissic Senior, founder of Cornerstone Baptist Church in Arlington, said that, despite being an evangelical who ‘hates abortion’ and opposes same-sex marriage, he cannot support ‘habitually lying’ Trump

www.the-independent.com

I’m a conservative evangelical pastor who's voting for Kamala Harris

The GOP I loved would have never chosen as its nominee the adulterous, childish, habitually lying and criminally convicted Donald Trump.

www.msnbc.com

But he’s not a white evangelical.

 

[WhyisIUBBcursed]

I think to really answer this I will go back to when you asked "what does that term even mean anymore". Dust off that bible and read it with an open heart, soul and mind with these questions needing to be answered. And pray on it. Again, pray on it.
What is a Christian?
Who is a Christian?
How do you become a Christian?
What is expected of you as a Christian?
What is a Christians reward?
Many, many call themselves Christians. But have they, and do they follow the teachings of Christ?
I will get to my decision as a Christian to vote for Trump over Harris later. (maybe)

I meant as Christians we should all be evangelical but that term has come to represent an almost cult like image in the
Mind of many Americans

 

[WhyisIUBBcursed]

Yiu guys are genuinely ate the **** up.

I mean, like.scary level shit.

Comparing any American leader(s), to Hitler is broder line insane

He can’t be Hitler because our Constitution won’t allow it and there are enough people like Mike pence in positions of power that will prevent his base attempts to usurp that treasured document. But he sure as hell would like to be

 

[bbafficionado]

you guys do not get it, white people have spoken, some black men and Hispanic men. wait till trump gets in office then you will see real bs.

You see white and black (skin color) is so many of your posts. The country spoke. The people spoke. Im sorry your so obsessed with race and I'm glad I'm not. I truly hope things over the next 4 years work out good for you.

 

[Willdog7]

You mean like his first time as POTUS?

I'll take that.

And.remind me, how many rights did blacks, Hispanics lose under his presidency?

You people are fukin idiots

The sad thing is that you guys could do good and uplift people. Not once did I hear what trump would do to help people. trump and the gop is a campaign of fear, he is on a revenge tour and you guys voted for him.

 

[Willdog7]

You see white and black (skin color) is so many of your posts. The country spoke. The people spoke. Im sorry your so obsessed with race and I'm glad I'm not. I truly hope things over the next 4 years work out good for you.

The wrong man is in office. You live in a bubble that everything will be all right but it is not. I'm not obsessed, Project 2025 is coming. I would be a fool to think. The gop will do anything for my good.

 

[Cortez88]

I want more space between government and religion. You know the separation of church and state. That is why the Christian Nationalists worry me. They are explicitly melding religion and politics, and doing so unabashedly. The pastor at a mega church in my suburb did almost an hour on why politics should be discussed in church. I’ll let you guess how he thinks his flock should vote. I think that is very concerning and something that, fortunately, hasn’t been a thing yet in Catholic mass.

 

[mcmurtry66]

I want more space between government and religion. You know the separation of church and state. That is why the Christian Nationalists worry me. They are explicitly melding religion and politics, and doing so unabashedly. The pastor at a mega church in my suburb did almost an hour on why politics should be discussed in church. I’ll let you guess how he thinks his flock should vote. I think that is very concerning and something that, fortunately, hasn’t been a thing yet in Catholic mass.

Hmmmm. Did he mention mr gatti’s pizza

 

[snarlcakes]

The pastor at a mega church in my suburb did almost an hour on why politics should be discussed in church. I’ll let you guess how he thinks his flock should vote.

For Bitcoin?

 

[stollcpa]

I want more space between government and religion. You know the separation of church and state. That is why the Christian Nationalists worry me. They are explicitly melding religion and politics, and doing so unabashedly. The pastor at a mega church in my suburb did almost an hour on why politics should be discussed in church. I’ll let you guess how he thinks his flock should vote. I think that is very concerning and something that, fortunately, hasn’t been a thing yet in Catholic mass.

I guess you apply your concerns to Black Churches? I think I remember Harris preaching in one during the campaign. Or at least she tried to mimic the preacher.

 

[Cortez88]

I guess you apply your concerns to Black Churches? I think I remember Harris preaching in one during the campaign. Or at least she tried to mimic the preacher.

There is no equivalence here. The religious right occupies significant space under the GOP tent. They openly push for more and more influence within the party to insert their religious beliefs in GOP government, policy, the courts, and education.

The next Indiana Lt Governor is a preacher who identifies as a Christian Nationalist. You have to be able to see how different this is, right?

 

[Willdog7]

I guess you apply your concerns to Black Churches? I think I remember Harris preaching in one during the campaign. Or at least she tried to mimic the preacher.

your boy went to a black church, Hmmmmmm

 

[UncleMark]

There is no equivalence here. The religious right occupies significant space under the GOP tent. They openly push for more and more influence within the party to insert their religious beliefs in GOP government, policy, the courts, and education.

The next Indiana Lt Governor is a preacher who identifies as a Christian Nationalist. You have to be able to see how different this is, right?

Everything equals everything. There is no less or more, no black or white, no right or wrong.

 

[Willdog7]

Everything equals everything. There is no less or more, no black or white, no right or wrong.

thats is in a fairy tale world, Project 2025 is coming.

 

[mushroomgod_1]

Which did Harris?

I could give up plenty of examples of his kindness, gentleness, etc..but you'd just remind how's he Hitler. It's useless to entertain such conversations.

The Hitler thing was always a bit much.......why couldn't they have just gone with Mussolini? He wasnted the trains to run on time. The Dems always overreach.

 

[mushroomgod_1]

There is no equivalence here. The religious right occupies significant space under the GOP tent. They openly push for more and more influence within the party to insert their religious beliefs in GOP government, policy, the courts, and education.

The next Indiana Lt Governor is a preacher who identifies as a Christian Nationalist. You have to be able to see how different this is, right?

Christian Nationalist describes about 50% of the population.

 

[CO. Hoosier]

There is no equivalence here. The religious right occupies significant space under the GOP tent. They openly push for more and more influence within the party to insert their religious beliefs in GOP government, policy, the courts, and education.

So what? That’s free speech and democracy.

I attended a number of “what it means to be a Lutheran during the election season” classes. . Lutheran “Social statements” were oten mentioned. The SS’ s covered civil rights, woman’s rights, climate and more. The positions were typically left of center. One of the zoom speakers, a national church bigwig, was very critical of Christian Nationalism. I asked a couple of questions.

1. What is the purpose of the social statements? Answer: to guide Lutherans in discussing issues, voting, and interacting with elected officials.

2. How is that different from Christian Nationalism. No good answer.

The problem is with those who disagree with Christian nationalist message. For that i say “so what.” That’s called democracy.

 

[Mas-sa-suta]

I want more space between government and religion. You know the separation of church and state. That is why the Christian Nationalists worry me. They are explicitly melding religion and politics, and doing so unabashedly. The pastor at a mega church in my suburb did almost an hour on why politics should be discussed in church. I’ll let you guess how he thinks his flock should vote. I think that is very concerning and something that, fortunately, hasn’t been a thing yet in Catholic mass.

This post magnifies my criticism of what passes for education in this Constitutional Republic.

Verbatim:

Amendment 1.

"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof, or abridging the practice of free speech, or the right of the people to peaceably assemble, or to petition the government for a redress of grievances".


"Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other.
-John Adams

(on the Constitution) .."I regard it as the work of the purest Patriots and wisest statesmen who ever existed, aided by the smiles of a beginant Providence...it almost appears a Devine interposition in our behalf".
-Daniel Webster


" I have so much faith in the general government of the world by Providence, that I can hardly conceive a transaction of such momentous importance to the welfare of millions...be suffered to pass without being in some degree influenced, guided, and governed by that omnipotent, omnipresent and benevolent Ruler".
- Benjamin Franklin

Tell us again about this so-called separation..

SMH..

 

[Willdog7]

The Hitler thing was always a bit much.......why couldn't they have just gone with Mussolini? He wasnted the trains to run on time. The Dems always overreach.

wait and see

 

[outside shooter]

... yall believe he's the first of everything.

Were there other convicted felons?

 

[outside shooter]

Comparing any American leader(s), to Hitler is broder line insane

It is revealing that the people who did so had WORKED FOR TRUMP, or been in his party. The generals, the chief of staff, Bolton, other cabinet members, JD VANCE! Insane indeed!

 

[mcmurtry66]

It is revealing that the people who did so had WORKED FOR TRUMP, or been in his party. The generals, the chief of staff, Bolton, other cabinet members, JD VANCE! Insane indeed!

That’s how insane the left is. Literally anything is better. Ideas are so fcking warped

 

[Mas-sa-suta]

It is revealing that the people who did so had WORKED FOR TRUMP, or been in his party. The generals, the chief of staff, Bolton, other cabinet members, JD VANCE! Insane indeed!

Meaningless drivel..

 

[Mas-sa-suta]

Were there other convicted felons?

You may be sooner than you think.

 

[outside shooter]

Meaningless drivel..

No, truth. 100+ Pubs who worked with him warned us, clear as a bell.

 

[Mas-sa-suta]

No, truth. 100+ Pubs who worked with him warned us, clear as a bell.

Meaningless drivel #2.
I thought you had my posts on ignore...
Please add me back to the list.
TIA!

 

[TommyCracker]

The Hitler thing was always a bit much.......why couldn't they have just gone with Mussolini? He wasnted the trains to run on time. The Dems always overreach.

Fascism as a global movement really started booming around 100 years ago, in Europe to my knowledge after a gruelling world war, a scary communist revolt in the Ussr, a global economic collapse that led to insane levels of unemployment, pain and anger.

The populous leaders effectively used that pain to suggest that national strength and discipline were missing and gain a loyal and beloved following as they rose into power. Mussolini, Hitler and Franco.

To my knowledge, Hitler first created a public works program in the 30's that basically fixed their unemployment issue, saved and rebuilt their economy and focused on rebuilding German infrastructure (he built the Autobahn, etc).

That alone made him massively beloved and the German populous saw him as their young, bright, effective speaker and eventual savior.

After gaining political power and love, he literally rounded up and murdered his political foes saying they were all corrupt politicians of a deep state against Germany and needed to be eradicated. He violently squelched any combative messages (eliminated free press and destroyed an anti viewed artwork). He rounded up the non Christian deviant's (gays and trans), and he then strategically created a scapegoat with the Jewish community by pushing something like 'they aren't Christians and are outsiders here who don't have true German heritage. They're not us. They back stabbed us for their own gain. Now they own too much and want to control us and everything by ruining our great heritage'.

Again, after the treaty of Versailles and the massive economic hardship Italy, Spain and Germany was all in... Benito, Hitler and Franco all preyed on that anger and fear and a huge movement started rolling.

Anyway, those elements of over the top nationalism, scape goating and victim blaming are tell tale signs of a wannabe violent movement of power and control.

We're actually fortunate in my mind that we avoided a huge, nasty recession because fascist like movements have been popping up again like they did 100 years ago.

This time instead of new technology of TV and Radio....it's the new technology of social media to get the message out.

 

[Willdog7]

wait and see

mushroomgod you got your king, good luck when he f**** up the country.

 

[JamieDimonsBalls]

Fascism as a global movement really started booming around 100 years ago, in Europe to my knowledge after a gruelling world war, a scary communist revolt in the Ussr, a global economic collapse that led to insane levels of unemployment, pain and anger.

The populous leaders effectively used that pain to suggest that national strength and discipline were missing and gain a loyal and beloved following as they rose into power. Mussolini, Hitler and Franco.

To my knowledge, Hitler first created a public works program in the 30's that basically fixed their unemployment issue, saved and rebuilt their economy and focused on rebuilding German infrastructure (he built the Autobahn, etc).

That alone made him massively beloved and the German populous saw him as their young, bright, effective speaker and eventual savior.

After gaining political power and love, he literally rounded up and murdered his political foes saying they were all corrupt politicians of a deep state against Germany and needed to be eradicated. He violently squelched any combative messages (eliminated free press and destroyed an anti viewed artwork). He rounded up the non Christian deviant's (gays and trans), and he then strategically created a scapegoat with the Jewish community by pushing something like 'they aren't Christians and are outsiders here who don't have true German heritage. They're not us. They back stabbed us for their own gain. Now they own too much and want to control us and everything by ruining our great heritage'.

Again, after the treaty of Versailles and the massive economic hardship Italy, Spain and Germany was all in... Benito, Hitler and Franco all preyed on that anger and fear and a huge movement started rolling.

Anyway, those elements of over the top nationalism, scape goating and victim blaming are tell tale signs of a wannabe violent movement of power and control.

We're actually fortunate in my mind that we avoided a huge, nasty recession because fascist like movements have been popping up again like they did 100 years ago.

This time instead of new technology of TV and Radio....it's the new technology of social media to get the message out.

Great post Tommy. I'm curious as you think (yes, asking your opinion) about the current populist movement, which has both far left and far right followings and agendas, some of which are actually somewhat aligned (e.g., tariffs), what constitutes crossing over from Populism to Fascism?

In other words, I agree with the characterization of Trump and his policies as Populist, but not Fascist. I know he is accused of such behavior by the left, but to me, there are lots of distinctions between Trump and Hitler for now. If you believe he is a Fascist, what were the lines crossed or positions taken that convinced you of such a label? Similarly, if you don't believe he is yet, but has the potential to be, what are things you are looking out for in terms of labeling him as such?

 

[Mas-sa-suta]

Great post Tommy. I'm curious as you think (yes, asking your opinion) about the current populist movement, which has both far left and far right followings and agendas, some of which are actually somewhat aligned (e.g., tariffs), what constitutes crossing over from Populism to Fascism?

In other words, I agree with the characterization of Trump and his policies as Populist, but not Fascist. I know he is accused of such behavior by the left, but to me, there are lots of distinctions between Trump and Hitler for now. If you believe he is a Fascist, what were the lines crossed or positions taken that convinced you of such a label? Similarly, if you don't believe he is yet, but has the potential to be, what are things you are looking out for in terms of labeling him as such?

Economically speaking, the collaboration between the Leviathan and 'big (pharma, tech, banking, medicine, military-industrial manufacturing) business ' exhibits classic corporatism, a major tenet of Fascism.
Throw in suppression of free speech, rights of assembly, arrest and imprisonment without trial, and lawfare directed against political and social opposition; What do you call it?
Obama/Biden were and remain Fascist.