I agree. What do you think about a white poster here calling a black poster here an Uncle Tom?
Poll: is Trump’s usage of the term “pocohantas” racist?
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I think Trump is clearly a racist, but I’m not so sure this Pocahontas thing fits the bill. Of all the nicknames Trump throws at his opponents, I admit this is the only one that makes me chuckle, and resonates. I admire and respect Liz Warren, but I don’t want her as the Democratic nominee for President. If I find her story about Native American heritage suspect, I’m sure a lot of other Democrats and Independents would too, especially since Trump would hammer it home all day, every day. There are plenty of other good candidates (men and women) that wouldn’t have to deal with this stuff.
It's just Trump being a simpleton and using the only Native American reference he knows for an insult.
Sioux nation is big up this way still. I'll always be a fan of the Sioux and hater of the Pawnee!
Not racist because you chuckle? Another opinion:
Trump’s repeated reference to “Pocahontas” is racist first of all because it’s intended as a pejorative. Trump does not like Warren. It’s also racist because it seizes on a stereotypical Native American name to refer to an entire race — like calling an Asian man “Jackie Chan” or a black man “Frederick Douglass” (one of the president’s favorites). Worse yet, Trump is mushing together his tribes: At an event to honor Navajo heroes, he used the name of a Powhatan woman to disparage a senator who claimed Cherokee ancestry.
And that cuts to the argument that has taken over conservative Twitter in the past two days. Never mind what Trump did, defenders say. What Warren did was worse.
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And that cuts to the argument that has taken over conservative Twitter in the past two days. Never mind what Trump did, defenders say. What Warren did was worse.
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A better question than whether Warren is actually Native American is whether it matters in this debate — and it doesn’t. Warren could be all Cherokee, or 1/32nd Cherokee, or not Cherokee at all, and Trump would still be using the name of one Native American woman as a slur against all Native American people. The worst of Trump’s latest dust-up with Elizabeth Warren, in other words, has nothing to do with Elizabeth Warren at all.
I think we ought to do a group buy of 23andme and I am sure we will find a few shocks. It may soften a few folks' views on race.
I am probably the most 'pure' of you lot!
Could be but I look pretty damn Aryan. Hitler would have hired me in a heartbeat. That's my claim to infamy.
Did one of these. Ended up being a white supremacist’s dream. All Western European. Was surprised to learn the amounts of each. I’m sure most people will have the same reaction that I did. It’s a trip.
My kids, on the other hand, are children of the world. My wife has African american (Nigerian, which is largely a mix of different African tribes), Native American, English and a few other backgrounds in her.
It’s funny when my family gets together. Including my father, my half sister, and my first cousins (brother of my father).
The cousins have blond hair, my half sister is half Korean (my stepmother is at least half Korean), and my kids are mixed (look Latino, but are white/Black). Dad’s genes must be pretty damn strong- because my cousins, me, my half sister and my kids all look like variations of his family, but with radically different hair and skin tones.
I can’t wait until a day where none of this chit matters- and the playing field is level from the beginning for everyone. And appearance/apparent ethnicity doesn’t cause some folks to treat others differently.
Not sure if my kids or their kids will see it, but I’m hopeful it’ll get better every generation (kinda had a set back recently, but historical trends never present themselves in a straight line).
Quite the motley crew! David Duke will be disappointed in you for not continuing the pure Aryan gene pool.
My brother/sister inlaws are a mixed bag too. Dutch-Chinese, Russian-French Jew, Transylvanian/German. Basically, David Duke's/ racialist's nightmare.
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I put him on ignore a long while back. We are on the same political team but I'm not going to play with him.
Part Dracula? Awesome. Was that your ex?Quite the motley crew! David Duke will be disappointed in you for not continuing the pure Aryan gene pool.
My brother/sister inlaws are a mixed bag too. Dutch-Chinese, Russian-French Jew, Transylvanian/German. Basically, David Duke's/ racialist's nightmare.
The ex is German-Spanish. She was first gen American.
Herr Dracula is my brother in law. The other BIL is a Jewish french-russian.
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German-Spanish? Didn't know that even works...
Hint: the Spaniard dad still harks for the good ol' days under Franco.
That makes sense, but I was thinking genetically. Like mixing pitbulls and swine.
(just joshing -- I love Spaniards and have some excellent German friends)That makes sense, but I was thinking genetically. Like mixing pitbulls and swine.
You guys are so lacking in self awareness it isn't even funny....and it is often those who are the least self aware who yell the loudest.
That makes sense, but I was thinking genetically. Like mixing pitbulls and swine.
She is pretty pale, blonde n blue eyed. Apparently it's just not from the German side. Northern Spainish looks apparently.
The dad being a Franco fan isn't your typical laid back Spainish. Disciplined.
Errr... He is referring to the cultural differences. It's culturally like water and oil.
Yeah, so who are the pit bulls, I am assuming they would be the Germans based on their more militaristic history. And the Spanish are pigs because? So one group is compared to basically a vicious attack dog and the other to what most people call a dirty animal that lays around in filth.
Again, not you, I think your "errr" at the beginning of your statement is an indication that you are not necessarily on board either.
If someone had a problem with calling someone by a historical person's name in an ironic fashion "racist", then what is equating a culture to "swine"?
It turns out Warren does have Indian bllod after conducting a DNA test. Results to be released:
Elizabeth Warren Releases DNA Results: She’s Native American
https://www.thedailybeast.com/elizabeth-warren-releases-native-american-dna-test-results
Elizabeth Warren Releases DNA Results: She’s Native American
https://www.thedailybeast.com/elizabeth-warren-releases-native-american-dna-test-results
Cue "What's she doing going to some professor instead of using Ancestry/23 & Me?" (the professor is an expert in the field and advises those companies), "It doesn't count unless her grandmother was full Native American!", "anyone would have that much Native American DNA (as the lowest end of the estimate) if you tested them!", and the ever popular "FAKE! RIGGED TEST!".
The manner in which he uses it, yes, imho. Trump doesnt really care about race per se in my opinion, he only cares about money and power. He only took the racebaiting ways of the GOP and brought out into the open the true base of the GOP. He made it "ok" to be openly racist and be a republican, They are who they have always been, they just dont try to hide it anymore ... their "Christian base" are who they have always been.... If racism works to keep power...the orange idiot is all in.And I’m asking as it specifically relates to him calling Elizabeth Warren “pocohantas”.
If you feel like, please elaborate in a response to the thread. Pretty sure you guys already know where I stand
Also, if anyone here has any Native American friends, I’d really be curious to hear their responses to this question. Or, if you happen to be or identify as Native American, please share your thoughts.
And I’m asking as it specifically relates to him calling Elizabeth Warren “pocohantas”.
If you feel like, please elaborate in a response to the thread. Pretty sure you guys already know where I stand
Also, if anyone here has any Native American friends, I’d really be curious to hear their responses to this question. Or, if you happen to be or identify as Native American, please share your thoughts.
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Right. Because when someone refers to another as “Einstein” that’s intended as a comment on the other’s religion. Oh, wait. No it isn’t.Hope you don't call anyone Einstein ironically. Someone might think you an antisemite.
Maybe you should think before you post vacuous snark.
'We have no proof that Elizabeth Warren's great-great-great-grandmother O.C. Sarah Smith either is or is not of Cherokee descent,' society spokesman Tom Champoux told the Herald for a May 2012 story. (When we called the society, a spokesman said we should look at its statements from 2012.)
She's lied and she knows it. It isn't debatable.
Warren's now calling out Trump to release the $1 million donation to charity he promised and to release his tax returns
The DNA test proves she has Native American ancestry and suggests the family lore is accurate.
If you want to attack her, you need to move on to "whaa she's not Native American enough and should have never claimed to be of Native American descent".
The DNA test proves she has Native American ancestry and suggests the family lore is accurate.
If you want to attack her, you need to move on to "whaa she's not Native American enough and should have never claimed to be of Native American descent".
Trump already saying he never said that he'd donate money to charity even though he's on video saying that.
Although he'll gladly attack anyone else for stuff being taken out of context.
LOL, so let's get this straight... it took the best ancestral research in the world to confirm that she's less than 1% Native American and you are calling it a victory?
That’s ridiculous. As your source says, we don’t know what the truth is. We know only that the Warren family lore says she had a Cherokee ancestor. You have no idea what you’re talking about.
I like her politics and I'd vote for her if someone younger and better doesn't win the primary but that article told me something I didn't know about her and it's a negative for me. And the Pubs are going to use against her too. The article says "During her academic career as a law professor, she had her ethnicity changed from white to Native American at the University of Pennsylvania Law School, where she taught from 1987 to 1995, and at Harvard University Law School, where she was a tenured faculty member starting in 1995." I thought she said before that claiming she was a Native American was a university decision she didn't know about and didn't request. This says SHE changed her ethnicity and according to the test she's only 1/32nd to 1/1,024 Native American. I call bullsh!t on that being enough to claim to be Native American. And why would she do it if she wasn't trying to gain some kind of advantage from it? If any of you white guys claimed to be black with the same amount of African American blood I'd tell you you're full of sh!t and wonder what kind of game you were trying to play. You're white with only that much African American blood and you have no idea what it's really like to be African American so trying to play that would be bullsh!t. That would be all kind of wrong to me as someone that actually a minority. Really I'm 50% but no one would consider me white and I live as a black man. A proud black man. Sorry that part of the article really struck a nerve.
I'd still vote for her but she moved far down the list. Besides she's old and I think we need a younger person to help motivate our younger voters.
He's a liar. Who knew?
Trump already saying he never said that he'd donate money to charity even though he's on video saying that.
Although he'll gladly attack anyone else for stuff being taken out of context.
You've changed my mind. I said it was only in poor taste, but if it is racist to Native Americans, then they should have the final word on the matter.
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