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Trump’s disgrace in the Middle East is the death of an empire. (Long read)

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This presidency looks like the manic days that presaged the fall of Rome

In days gone by, I used to compare the Trump presidency with the Arab dictatorships. He took preposterous pleasure in the company of Egypt’s Sisi (60,000 political prisoners) and his inane ramblings had much in common with those of Muammar Gaddafi, who also “authored” a book he never wrote but whom Trump never met (albeit that Tony Blair and Gaddafi kissed each other on the cheek). But over the past week, I’ve begun to realise that the crackpot in the White House has much more in common with ancient Rome.

My former classics professor once told me – when I melodramatically called him on my mobile phone from the original Roman forum during the US occupation of Iraq under George W Bush – that the Romans were a “manic” people, but that they would have been pretty unimpressed with the American handling of the Iraqi campaign.

He was right. But I am now convinced that there is something distinctly “manic” about the Trump presidency. The hatred, the threats, the fury, have much in common with both the Roman republic (Rome’s version of popular “democracy”) and the Roman empire, when quite a number of emperors showed themselves to be just as insane as Trump.


Cato the Censor, a dangerous man, would end each of his speeches in Rome with the words Carthago delenda est. “Carthage must be destroyed”. Is this not exactly the language of Trump? Did he not say that he could have Afghanistan “wiped off the face of the earth”, that he could “totally destroy” North Korea, that Iran “will be destroyed” if it attacks the US?

But the American retreat from Syria, its army’s greatest disgrace only ghosted over by its new role as Saudi Arabia’s mercenaries – for the new US military arrival in the kingdom is to be paid for by the regime which butchered Jamal Khashoggi – has dark echoes in antiquity.

Contrary to the Hollywood version of history, the Roman empire did not collapse in a couple of days. The Goths, Ostrogoths and Visigoths did not just gobble up Italy over a weekend. The fall of the empire came slowly, over years, in small incremental pieces: legions forgotten, tribal allies unpaid – and then betrayed.

One of Rome’s most troublesome provinces was Cilicia. It was always changing hands. Its people allied themselves to Rome – and were then abandoned when legions left or taxes ran out. Cilicia, by extraordinary mischance, lay almost exactly along the western border of what is today the Turkish-Syrian (Kurdish) frontier.

There are still a few Roman ruins in that ancient province to remind its present-day armies of what – they should have surely realised – would be their fate. I doubt if there is a single US soldier in Syria – who must, of course, negotiate their own way out of that equally ancient country – who knows of this. Institutional memory, let alone historical memory, has long ago been erased by the internet.

Cato got what he wanted. Carthage was indeed razed, its people sold into slavery, although its lands were not in fact sown with salt as English historians would later claim. So far, Trump has been more Cicero than Cato, Pompeo more Pliny than Pompey. So far.

The Roman empire fell in bits. The senators, living in the political wreckage of the old Roman republic, knew that something was going wrong. The people understood their demise only in stages. The great Roman roads went unrepaired. The legions could not move so fast (even if they were still loyal to Rome). Then the imperial mail service from north Africa was impaired, even halted. The wheat for bread – often from what is today the Bekaa Valley in eastern Lebanon – failed to arrive in Rome.


Amid popular unrest in Rome, where rival leaders could and did physically threaten each other, these matters often went unnoticed. Impeachment, alas, was not an option in the ancient world.

But the sword (or poison) could do its work. Political enemies would be accused of treachery. “Crucify them!” But is that not what Trump says of the American press, the Democrats or anyone who dares to confront him with his abominable lies and his assaults on American democracy?

No, I am not suggesting that the American empire will leave us quite like this. But last week’s deplorable abandonment of the Kurds, Trump’s wickedness in allowing the Turks – and their wretched “Arab” allies – to slaughter their way into northern Syria, will have the same effect as it did in antiquity. If you can no longer trust Rome, to which other empire do you turn?

Well, Putin’s, of course. Tyrant he may be – but at least he’s sane. And his legions stayed out of the war in Syria and saved the Assad regime. They cleared the highways of Isis mines – they restored the roads, sometimes (incredibly) what were once Roman roads – and they learned Arabic. Perhaps, indeed, Putin now plays the role of the later Roman empire of the east, the Christian one which survived in Constantinople/Byzantium/Istanbul for hundreds more years after the fall of Rome itself. All the Middle East is now his empire, every capital welcoming the emperor: Tehran, Cairo, Ankara, Damascus, Riyadh, Abu Dhabi.

More than 20 years ago, I was in Washington, seeking to find the missile-maker who manufactured the rocket which Israel fired into a civilian ambulance in southern Lebanon, killing all inside. And I was much struck at how RomanWashington looked. Its great palaces of state (save for the State Department itself, of course) were self-consciously modelled on Roman architecture.

Washington was not built as the capital of a physical empire – more a philosophical one, I suspect, in my kinder moments – but it looks (like Vienna, Berlin, Paris, London) as if the early Americans of the independence era realised it might one day be the capital of the most powerful nation on earth. Well, it was.

But Trump has changed all that. To the despair of his few friends (of the non-”manic” kind) and the delight of his enemies, he has laid America low. The Syrians, whose history goes back far longer than America’s, have played their old political policy again: wait. And wait. And wait. And then drive into Manbij the moment the Americans leave. That’s what Rome’s enemies did when the empire’s frontiers crumbled in Germania and then in Gaul and then in the Balkans – of all places – and then in Palmyra and in what is today Syria.

As for Washington’s noble architecture, it now takes its place alongside the old capital of the Austro-Hungarian empire, where the fine Viennese buildings of state seem shamed by their majesty. The powerful and historical walls to study today are those of the Kremlin.

https://www.independent.co.uk/voice...a-turkey-empire-washington-rome-a9159756.html


 
:rolleyes:...the author's attempt at a convoluted comparison while giving his unnecessary history lesson notwithstanding, if we could bounce back from clusterfurger of Nam, the OPEC embargo of 1973, Iranian revolution of 78/79 along with subsequent hostage crisis (and Carter's weak stick response), Beirut in 83, WTC 93, 9/11 along with multiple stock crashes and recessions from the 70's through the aughts, then I am sure we will have no problem overcoming four years of the current moron in the oval office.

History has shown time and again that all it takes to overcome the foibles of awful leadership is to follow up with a strong one.
 
:rolleyes:...the author's attempt at a convoluted comparison while giving his unnecessary history lesson notwithstanding, if we could bounce back from clusterfurger of Nam, the OPEC embargo of 1973, Iranian revolution of 78/79 along with subsequent hostage crisis (and Carter's weak stick response), Beirut in 83, WTC 93, 9/11 along with multiple stock crashes and recessions from the 70's through the aughts, then I am sure we will have no problem overcoming four years of the current moron in the oval office.

History has shown time and again that all it takes to overcome the foibles of awful leadership is to follow up with a strong one.

You are looking at 'history' from a narrow American-centric perspective rather than a longitudinal one.

"In history, a great volume is unrolled for our instruction, drawing the materials of future wisdom from the past errors and infirmities of mankind."

History has also shown that no one dominant country or empire has lasted through the ages. They usually suffer the death of a thousand cuts and not any one major event or even a series in the space of a just few decades.
 
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You are looking at 'history' from a narrow American-centric perspective rather than a longitudinal one.

"In history, a great volume is unrolled for our instruction, drawing the materials of future wisdom from the past errors and infirmities of mankind."

History has also shown that no one dominant country or empire has lasted through the ages. They usually suffer the death of a thousand cuts and not any one major event or even a series in the space of a just few decades.

When I posted what I did I was not looking through an American-centric lens. I could point to several far eastern examples of my point, though I imagine you could do a better, first hand job. I could point to England/UK and say they have had an influential, guiding hand in major world developments since I dunno, the middle ages? The seemed to recover in their post British Empire empire existence, and at least two former colonies during their empirical reign are doing pretty well. Hell, Germany has overcome the most tyrannical leader in modern times as well as being the capitulating side of two world wars and are one of Europe's most influential nations. Even Rome, while no longer an empire by strict definition, could be argued to be doing quite well by virtue of the empire's final vestiges, Vatican City and it's 1.2 billion Catholics.

The point I disagree with the author's overarching premise that Donald Trump is America's death knell and used history (both recent and now not so recent) to show that a short term of weak leadership can be overcome (both in the short term and the long run).
 
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You are looking at 'history' from a narrow American-centric perspective rather than a longitudinal one.

"In history, a great volume is unrolled for our instruction, drawing the materials of future wisdom from the past errors and infirmities of mankind."

History has also shown that no one dominant country or empire has lasted through the ages. They usually suffer the death of a thousand cuts and not any one major event or even a series in the space of a just few decades.
fwiw Pax Americana is different than every other great empire.

One: it doesn't have enemies on it's borders. Two: it has an extensive supply of resource available to it, including multiple agricultural zones, all within its own borders..

Imperial Britain and Rome were both consumer societies that needed resource from other areas to survive. Many ships pulled into British and Roman harbors full and left empty. They didn't have the resources available to them in their own country like we do.

fwiw - that's what makes America great. Temperate mostly disease free climate, extensive and varied resources. Nothing else ..

The only way Pax Americana falls is from internal rot ..
 
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:rolleyes:...the author's attempt at a convoluted comparison while giving his unnecessary history lesson notwithstanding, if we could bounce back from clusterfurger of Nam, the OPEC embargo of 1973, Iranian revolution of 78/79 along with subsequent hostage crisis (and Carter's weak stick response), Beirut in 83, WTC 93, 9/11 along with multiple stock crashes and recessions from the 70's through the aughts, then I am sure we will have no problem overcoming four years of the current moron in the oval office.

History has shown time and again that all it takes to overcome the foibles of awful leadership is to follow up with a strong one.
What we haven't had is a socialist/communist make over of the country. I don't believe we will enjoy that or recover from that. You don't recover from the elimination of private industries by the government like health insurance companies. It would start there but extend to other areas as the Green New Deal kicks in.

Bernie's goal to eliminate Capitalism is serious and you need to know what that means. He said that is the difference between him and Warren. Sanders is the most dangerous candidate on either side. Bernie's claim that everyone will have a job without Capitalism sounds more like Communism than Socialism. No wonder a young Bernie Sanders visited the Soviet Union and Cuba.

Medicare for all, Green New Deal, free college for all, and elimination of existing student debt while eliminating Capitalism is Bernie's plan.

Consider that the top 1% today taxed at 100% would only fund $2 trillion of the $3.5 trillion it would cost per year for Medicare for all. Remember, Bernie wants to make wages more fair, so that top 1% will bring in even less and force more of that tax burden on lower earners. Free college education for all would add an additional burden. The cost of the Green New Deal has a price tag that would cripple every family on its own. Before this happened, companies would be laying off people or going out of business from their own tax burden and forced minimum wage.

Bernie's commitment to 100% employment would have to require a government takeover of essential companies going bankrupt under forced minimum wages and heavy tax burdens. Or we could let those companies close their doors and have severe Venezuelan inflation of scarce goods. No Capitalism = no profits = worthless 401k and stocks.

Enjoy your Socialism and Communism. The math doesn't work and is why Sanders and Warren are not electable. Biden is not a good candidate and is only slightly more presidential than Trump. The better Democratic candidates are getting ignored. It will be interesting if the Dems look at reality and start to dump what is now the top 3 candidates. The simplest person will be able to add up the price tags for the "free" stuff and see there won't be much left for them to spend.

Have a nice weekend!
 
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