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Because, as Taibbi pointed out, Biden (and others) were unmasking Flynn for political reasons.
NO NO NO NO NO. Again, you keep missing the KEY ELEMENT of unmasking. When someone makes an unmasking request, they DO NOT KNOW who they are unmasking. Biden and others were not "unmasking Flynn." They were "unmasking unnamed U.S. Person who happened to turn out to be Flynn after the fact."
 
NO NO NO NO NO. Again, you keep missing the KEY ELEMENT of unmasking. When someone makes an unmasking request, they DO NOT KNOW who they are unmasking. Biden and others were not "unmasking Flynn." They were "unmasking unnamed U.S. Person who happened to turn out to be Flynn after the fact."
Why bother, Goat? "Unmasking" is the latest Trump buzz phrase. It no longer has any real meaning.
 
Lets start right here. Obama and his minions are about to get revealed. Hopefully the rest of these idiot dug in politicians do too. The left??? State lockdowns, arresting people for not wearing a mask, arresting people for opening a business, sending child services to peoples homes for opening a business. Sending a Heroes act to the senate that is FUBAR. Rand Paul gets it! The rest of you can suck a big govt....You morons don't even accept the constitution.

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Rand Paul is your chosen hero? The irresponsible lout that already demonstrated his blatant disregard for the welfare of others by refusing to take basic safeguards after he knew he had been exposed to the virus? Why not just go for an even bigger South of the Ohio River Carpetbagger and give us a lecture on the "Consitution" from a moron like "Tennessee Trey Hollingsworth"? As long as you're going full-on wingnut...

So when little Rand ran in the GOP Senate Primary in 2010, he labelled his opponent (Ky Sec of State Trey Grayson) as a "career politician". At that point in time,Grayson was in his 7th year as Sec of State, not even a "national" office. Now TEN YEARS after winning in 2010 Paul has already been a US Senator for 3 yrs longer than the political career of the guy he pilloried as a "career politician".

That's only slightly less hypocritical that the guy who claims to be for citizen's "rights" showing us by his actions that our rights end where his begin. Essentially he puts more value on his "right" to buck quarantine, cavort around in the Senate locker room, and risk indirectly infecting innocent, unsuspecting people than he does over the right to a healthy life that others should expect a representative of their Govt to help protect...
 
Because, as Taibbi pointed out, Biden (and others) were unmasking Flynn for political reasons. They were conducting spying on a U.S. citizen, who was a member of the political opposition, for no other reason than to gin up charges against him in an attempt to bring uncertainty on the next administration. This set up a bull shit narrative that they continued to push in front of the public that Donald Trump colluded with the Russians to steal an election, while saying behind closed doors there was no such evidence. They tried to throw a guy in jail on that bull shit.

Matt Taibbi is no conservative. He points out for you that the whole Flynn thing was a hit job.

Nixon was thrown out of office for having people break into Watergate in an attempt to get info on the Democrats. Please, explain to me how using the FISA courts and section 702 to spy on the opposition is not Watergate on steroids. And please spare me the idea that this was done because they were worried that Flynn was really colluding with the Russians. Taibbi already destroys that bull shit.
"The acts at issue are calls Flynn made to Russian Ambassador Sergei Kislyak on December 29th, 2016 in which he told the Russians not to overreact to sanctions. That’s it. The investigation was about to be dropped, but someone got the idea of using electronic surveillance of the calls to leverage a case into existence."

If you're in the Obama administration and you are putting sanctions on Russia for meddling in our elections, why would you want anyone telling them not to worry about the sanctions. That kind of defeats the purpose, doesn't it?

Page, Papadopoulos, Manafort, Trump Tower, Wikileaks- Flynn didn't happen in a vacuum.


WRT Watergate:

Watergate happened before the election and didn't have any known impact on the election. Trump Tower was attempted collusion. They lied about it, until they couldn't. Russia, Wikileaks, et al most likely changed the outcome of the election. Obamagate is now in the news four years later...just in time to try and influence the next election. Trump Tower is Watergate on steroids.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trump_Tower_meeting
 
Why don't you get a clue? What would you like me to answer? The OP was obamagate...Would you like some other speech? The left are acting like fools right now and if you wanna defend them go ahead they are becoming dictators. I simply referenced Obama and the left right now because for 3.5 years I listened to all your Russia collusion bullshit. Now the snake oil salesman is exposed and I hope everyone else gets exposed left or right. Notice Lindsey Graham not wanting to put Obama on the stand? Wonder why. He says not good for the country??? My ass, this is huge shit. He's been in office for years. Trump was a wildcard that knew how freaking corrupt DC is and was. He jumped into a snakepit. Never was in politics before so not "one of the gang". These republicans side him only because of how unfairly he is being treated and they don't want that to become the norm. So you can say what you want about him IDC. The calling out of the Nato not owning or paying up, the pacific alliance...He wants better deals period. He's a businessman....Oh here comes the bankruptcy blah blah blah....I've owned businesses since I was 23 years old and I take advantage of every law afforded me. Who cares! I won't get into the Fauci shit thats another conversation. Anyways people need to wake up. These politicians work for us not the other way around. Hold them accountable! All of them!

Seriously Dude, at what point in his life has Donald Trump ever been a white knight in the battle against corruption? His well-documented associations with Russian/Eastern European Mobsters? His well-known connections to the Mafia, esp regarding the building trades and his casinos in Atlantic City?

He's a political animal and has easily duped you- I'll give him that. But this stuff has been documented LONG before he ever ran for office. People who got ripped off by his Scottish boondoggle and all the folks who sued him for ripping them off over the years- they didn't do it because they knew he'd run for office years down the road. It wasn't political- he's just a scumbag...

Even Conservative newsman John Stossel called a spade a spade over Trump's attempt to steal this woman's house...



The Scottish land Ripoff




https://www.thedailybeast.com/the-alleged-russian-mobsters-in-trump-worlds-orbit-a-dirty-dozen
 
Because, as Taibbi pointed out, Biden (and others) were unmasking Flynn for political reasons. They were conducting spying on a U.S. citizen, who was a member of the political opposition, for no other reason than to gin up charges against him in an attempt to bring uncertainty on the next administration. This set up a bull shit narrative that they continued to push in front of the public that Donald Trump colluded with the Russians to steal an election, while saying behind closed doors there was no such evidence. They tried to throw a guy in jail on that bull shit.

Matt Taibbi is no conservative. He points out for you that the whole Flynn thing was a hit job.

Nixon was thrown out of office for having people break into Watergate in an attempt to get info on the Democrats. Please, explain to me how using the FISA courts and section 702 to spy on the opposition is not Watergate on steroids. And please spare me the idea that this was done because they were worried that Flynn was really colluding with the Russians. Taibbi already destroys that bull shit.

Carter Page announced in Sept 2016 that he was leaving Team Trump. The FBI went to the FISA court to get approval to monitor Page in Oct 2016. One month after Page was no longer on Trump's election team as a Foreign Policy advisor...You'd think if the object was to "spy on Trump" they'd have gone to FISA before Page left- not after...

Meanwhile, on Oct 28, 2016 just 11 days prior to the election Comey sent his letter to Congress regarding the investigation of a "possible" set of emails. Polls at that time showed Clinton with a 5 pt lead, and by Nov 3 that lead was down to 1 point. So really who had the election stolen from them and why no fuss over Comey's letter.

The right sure is full of outrage over an inconsequential FISA request but you never hear them complain about the effects of that letter. Btw the FISA Hearing was on Oct 4, 2016, and Trump went from trailing by 2 pts on Oct 2 to -4 the day of the Hearing to -7 by the 15th of Oct. I don't think the FBI was trying to "influence the race" or bring uncertainty on the next Administration since without Comey's letter a 7% lead amounted to about 7 million more votes. In other words a landslide...

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/e...s/general_election_trump_vs_clinton-5491.html
 
Because, as Taibbi pointed out, Biden (and others) were unmasking Flynn for political reasons. They were conducting spying on a U.S. citizen, who was a member of the political opposition, for no other reason than to gin up charges against him in an attempt to bring uncertainty on the next administration. This set up a bull shit narrative that they continued to push in front of the public that Donald Trump colluded with the Russians to steal an election, while saying behind closed doors there was no such evidence. They tried to throw a guy in jail on that bull shit.

Matt Taibbi is no conservative. He points out for you that the whole Flynn thing was a hit job.

Nixon was thrown out of office for having people break into Watergate in an attempt to get info on the Democrats. Please, explain to me how using the FISA courts and section 702 to spy on the opposition is not Watergate on steroids. And please spare me the idea that this was done because they were worried that Flynn was really colluding with the Russians. Taibbi already destroys that bull shit.

You keep making claims about what Taibbi says and does, but you never point it out where he says or does those things and, from my reading, he never says or does those things. I could just as easily say that Taibbi proves that the Bowling Green Massacre was a plot by aardvarks to take over all the Spam factories. Put some meat on these bones, Crazy (but, please, not Spam. ;))
 
OMG your lost completely! Throw Obama in jail and let him roast! Go to an island and become DICKtator. Govern the trees and weeds. Suits you well.
I think hell handles the roasting and prison does the rotting. Otherwise it's just a bad design.
 
If you're in the Obama administration and you are putting sanctions on Russia for meddling in our elections, why would you want anyone telling them not to worry about the sanctions. That kind of defeats the purpose, doesn't it?

So, if the administration, who was outgoing, was crafting a policy against a foreign power and the administration that was incoming was having discussions with that foreign power about that same policy and indicating that things might be a little different, then it is ok to 1. Spy on their phone calls. 2. Cook up a fake crime against them. 3. Start leaking that calls to the public so that you can 4. Send the FBI to talk to them. Who then 5. Take 3 weeks to put together a transcript of said notes (because the FBI doesn't record you...wonder why...) and then 6. Threaten you and your family with prosecution if you don't do exactly as they ask.

So if what Flynn (who was becoming the DNI) was doing was a crime worthy of being spied on, what about this asshole? What right would he have to talk policy with this country? He is not part of an incoming administration and he was working on subverting U.S. policy toward a hostile foreign power.

Sorry, you all can pretzel twist all you want around this and no matter what you come back with you will still be dead wrong. Take the example I posted above and change it up a bit so that it is the Trump Admin doing this in a potential Biden loss to a Democrat who wanted to talk with Iran. You all would be losing your shit about Trump being an authoritarian and the nazi like right and you all know it. None of you are being intellectually honest about this.

It is good to know the new rules though. The transfer of power means jack shit to you guys anymore. Obama and his administration acted like a banana republic and you all are falling all over yourselves to defend it. The Taibbi article I keep posting has you all pegged dead to rights but your partisan blinders are so thick you are blind to see it. The behavior that Obama engaged in before leaving office is the type of behavior that ends a functioning republic.
 
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Carter Page announced in Sept 2016 that he was leaving Team Trump. The FBI went to the FISA court to get approval to monitor Page in Oct 2016. One month after Page was no longer on Trump's election team as a Foreign Policy advisor...You'd think if the object was to "spy on Trump" they'd have gone to FISA before Page left- not after...

Meanwhile, on Oct 28, 2016 just 11 days prior to the election Comey sent his letter to Congress regarding the investigation of a "possible" set of emails. Polls at that time showed Clinton with a 5 pt lead, and by Nov 3 that lead was down to 1 point. So really who had the election stolen from them and why no fuss over Comey's letter.

The right sure is full of outrage over an inconsequential FISA request but you never hear them complain about the effects of that letter. Btw the FISA Hearing was on Oct 4, 2016, and Trump went from trailing by 2 pts on Oct 2 to -4 the day of the Hearing to -7 by the 15th of Oct. I don't think the FBI was trying to "influence the race" or bring uncertainty on the next Administration since without Comey's letter a 7% lead amounted to about 7 million more votes. In other words a landslide...

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/e...s/general_election_trump_vs_clinton-5491.html

Shorter cosmic, "I support domestic spying on my political opponents and using the U.S. justice system against them because my side lost an election."

Carry on my totalitarian friend.
 
You keep making claims about what Taibbi says and does, but you never point it out where he says or does those things and, from my reading, he never says or does those things. I could just as easily say that Taibbi proves that the Bowling Green Massacre was a plot by aardvarks to take over all the Spam factories. Put some meat on these bones, Crazy (but, please, not Spam. ;))

Whatever one’s opinion of Flynn, his relations with Turkey, his “Lock her up!” chants, his haircut, or anything, this case was never about much. There’s no longer pretense that prosecution would lead to the unspooling of a massive Trump-Russia conspiracy, as pundits once breathlessly expected. In fact, news that Flynn was cooperating with special counsel Robert Mueller inspired many of the “Is this the beginning of the end for Trump?” stories that will someday fill whole chapters of Journalism ****s Up 101 textbooks.

The acts at issue are calls Flynn made to Russian Ambassador Sergei Kislyak on December 29th, 2016 in which he told the Russians not to overreact to sanctions. That’s it. The investigation was about to be dropped, but someone got the idea of using electronic surveillance of the calls to leverage a case into existence.

In a secrets-laundering maneuver straight out of the Dick Cheney playbook, some bright person first illegally leaked classified details to David Ignatius at the Washington Post, then agents rushed to interview Flynn about the “news.”

“The record of his conversation with Ambassador Kislyak had become widely known in the press,” is how Deputy FBI chief Andrew McCabe put it, euphemistically. “We wanted to sit down with General Flynn and understand, kind of, what his thoughts on that conversation were.”

A Laurel-and-Hardy team of agents conducted the interview, then took three weeks to write and re-write multiple versions of the interview notes used as evidence (because why record it?). They were supervised by a counterintelligence chief who then memorialized on paper his uncertainty over whether the FBI was trying to “get him to lie” or “get him fired,” worrying that they’d be accused of “playing games.” After another leak to the Washington Post in early February, 2017, Flynn actually was fired, and later pleaded guilty to lying about sanctions in the Kislyak call, the transcript of which was of course never released to either the defense or the public.

Warrantless surveillance, multiple illegal leaks of classified information, a false statements charge constructed on the razor’s edge of Miranda, and the use of never-produced, secret counterintelligence evidence in a domestic criminal proceeding – this is the “rule of law” we’re being asked to cheer.

All due respect, I think you are being obtuse for the sake of not wanting to truly address what the article says. You are not alone in that. So I am done with this thread.
 
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Trump made a very true statement today
Carter Page announced in Sept 2016 that he was leaving Team Trump. The FBI went to the FISA court to get approval to monitor Page in Oct 2016. One month after Page was no longer on Trump's election team as a Foreign Policy advisor...You'd think if the object was to "spy on Trump" they'd have gone to FISA before Page left- not after...

Meanwhile, on Oct 28, 2016 just 11 days prior to the election Comey sent his letter to Congress regarding the investigation of a "possible" set of emails. Polls at that time showed Clinton with a 5 pt lead, and by Nov 3 that lead was down to 1 point. So really who had the election stolen from them and why no fuss over Comey's letter.

The right sure is full of outrage over an inconsequential FISA request but you never hear them complain about the effects of that letter. Btw the FISA Hearing was on Oct 4, 2016, and Trump went from trailing by 2 pts on Oct 2 to -4 the day of the Hearing to -7 by the 15th of Oct. I don't think the FBI was trying to "influence the race" or bring uncertainty on the next Administration since without Comey's letter a 7% lead amounted to about 7 million more votes. In other words a landslide...

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/e...s/general_election_trump_vs_clinton-5491.html
Why are your posts so long? Are you insecure about communicating with people? Do you have trouble getting your point across? The guy that posts the most words doesn’t win! You look at your posts and all you see is a big Word Salad!
 
So, if the administration, who was outgoing, was crafting a policy against a foreign power and the administration that was incoming was having discussions with that foreign power about that same policy and indicating that things might be a little different, then it is ok to 1. Spy on their phone calls. 2. Cook up a fake crime against them. 3. Start leaking that calls to the public so that you can 4. Send the FBI to talk to them. Who then 5. Take 3 weeks to put together a transcript of said notes (because the FBI doesn't record you...wonder why...) and then 6. Threaten you and your family with prosecution if you don't do exactly as they ask.

So if what Flynn (who was becoming the DNI) was doing was a crime worthy of being spied on, what about this asshole? What right would he have to talk policy with this country? He is not part of an incoming administration and he was working on subverting U.S. policy toward a hostile foreign power.

Sorry, you all can pretzel twist all you want around this and no matter what you come back with you will still be dead wrong. Take the example I posted above and change it up a bit so that it is the Trump Admin doing this in a potential Biden loss to a Democrat who wanted to talk with Iran. You all would be losing your shit about Trump being an authoritarian and the nazi like right and you all know it. None of you are being intellectually honest about this.

It is good to know the new rules though. The transfer of power means jack shit to you guys anymore. Obama and his administration acted like a banana republic and you all are falling all over yourselves to defend it. The Taibbi article I keep posting has you all pegged dead to rights but your partisan blinders are so thick you are blind to see it. The behavior that Obama engaged in before leaving office is the type of behavior that ends a functioning republic.
I'm short of time this morning. I would just say your 1-6 isn't quite accurate (to goat's point). I'll be happy to address it, unless you're truly done?

So let me just ask, if Republicans are allowed to accept any and all help from Russia and Democrats get China, Iran, and at this point, probably the rest of the world, what kind of Republic is that? I find it hard to believe that you'd be okay with that.

An acknowledgment that foreign help is wrong and laws should be put in place to prevent it as best we can, would be nice. Maybe we should spend more time debating those ideas and less time on a POS like Mike Flynn.
 
NO NO NO NO NO. Again, you keep missing the KEY ELEMENT of unmasking. When someone makes an unmasking request, they DO NOT KNOW who they are unmasking. Biden and others were not "unmasking Flynn." They were "unmasking unnamed U.S. Person who happened to turn out to be Flynn after the fact."

That is correct. Plus, if they already knew it was Flynn, there’s no reason to “unmask”.
 
So, if the administration, who was outgoing, was crafting a policy against a foreign power and the administration that was incoming was having discussions with that foreign power about that same policy and indicating that things might be a little different, then it is ok to 1. Spy on their phone calls. 2. Cook up a fake crime against them. 3. Start leaking that calls to the public so that you can 4. Send the FBI to talk to them. Who then 5. Take 3 weeks to put together a transcript of said notes (because the FBI doesn't record you...wonder why...) and then 6. Threaten you and your family with prosecution if you don't do exactly as they ask.

So if what Flynn (who was becoming the DNI) was doing was a crime worthy of being spied on, what about this asshole? What right would he have to talk policy with this country? He is not part of an incoming administration and he was working on subverting U.S. policy toward a hostile foreign power.

Sorry, you all can pretzel twist all you want around this and no matter what you come back with you will still be dead wrong. Take the example I posted above and change it up a bit so that it is the Trump Admin doing this in a potential Biden loss to a Democrat who wanted to talk with Iran. You all would be losing your shit about Trump being an authoritarian and the nazi like right and you all know it. None of you are being intellectually honest about this.

It is good to know the new rules though. The transfer of power means jack shit to you guys anymore. Obama and his administration acted like a banana republic and you all are falling all over yourselves to defend it. The Taibbi article I keep posting has you all pegged dead to rights but your partisan blinders are so thick you are blind to see it. The behavior that Obama engaged in before leaving office is the type of behavior that ends a functioning republic.
Again, there is no evidence any of that happened. You're just repeating right wing conspiracy theories at this point.
 
Again, there is no evidence any of that happened. You're just repeating right wing conspiracy theories at this point.

It’s another attempt at distraction. The virus isn’t “contained”. It won’t magically go away. China didn’t create it in a lab and intentionally launch it on the world. The death toll continues to rise and the Trump administration failed miserably. But the cult can’t acknowledge that. So they impotently flail and shout. Like their leader, they are also always the victims.

 
It’s another attempt at distraction. The virus isn’t “contained”. It won’t magically go away. China didn’t create it in a lab and intentionally launch it on the world. The death toll continues to rise and the Trump administration failed miserably. But the cult can’t acknowledge that. So they impotently flail and shout. Like their leader, they are also always the victims.


America has 4% of the world’s population.
America has 30% of the world’s death count of COVID-19.
This is one of the greatest failures of leadership in the history of America. The government has failed miserably.
Good lord. This has got to be the stupidest point ever about the pandemic. The county where my cabin is has zero reported cases and zero deaths. I can assure you this has nothing to do with leadership or government.
 
America has 4% of the world’s population.
America has 30% of the world’s death count of COVID-19.
This is one of the greatest failures of leadership in the history of America. The government has failed miserably.
Good lord. This has got to be the stupidest point ever about the pandemic. The county where my cabin is has zero reported cases and zero deaths. I can assure you this has nothing to do with leadership or government.

Congratulations to you and your furry friends. The rest of us have to be part of the economy.
 
"The acts at issue are calls Flynn made to Russian Ambassador Sergei Kislyak on December 29th, 2016 in which he told the Russians not to overreact to sanctions. That’s it. The investigation was about to be dropped, but someone got the idea of using electronic surveillance of the calls to leverage a case into existence."

If you're in the Obama administration and you are putting sanctions on Russia for meddling in our elections, why would you want anyone telling them not to worry about the sanctions. That kind of defeats the purpose, doesn't it?

Page, Papadopoulos, Manafort, Trump Tower, Wikileaks- Flynn didn't happen in a vacuum.


WRT Watergate:

Watergate happened before the election and didn't have any known impact on the election. Trump Tower was attempted collusion. They lied about it, until they couldn't. Russia, Wikileaks, et al most likely changed the outcome of the election. Obamagate is now in the news four years later...just in time to try and influence the next election. Trump Tower is Watergate on steroids.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trump_Tower_meeting

If you're in the Obama administration and you are putting sanctions on Russia for meddling in our elections, why would you want anyone telling them not to worry about the sanctions. That kind of defeats the purpose, doesn't it?
Do you have a link for this? I don’t think Flynn said “don’t worry” about the sanctions. Trump imposed additional Russia sanctions, mounted a direct assault in the Russian oil economy, and more all of which belies this whole Russia agent conspiracy theory.

A better question is why did Obama pussy-foot around with this Russia issue for months before taking it seriously. The answer is coming into focus.
 
If you're in the Obama administration and you are putting sanctions on Russia for meddling in our elections, why would you want anyone telling them not to worry about the sanctions. That kind of defeats the purpose, doesn't it?
Do you have a link for this? I don’t think Flynn said “don’t worry” about the sanctions. Trump imposed additional Russia sanctions, mounted a direct assault in the Russian oil economy, and more all of which belies this whole Russia agent conspiracy theory.
This was NOT the case during transition nor was it the tone of his early presidency.
 
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America has 4% of the world’s population.
America has 30% of the world’s death count of COVID-19.
This is one of the greatest failures of leadership in the history of America. The government has failed miserably.
Good lord. This has got to be the stupidest point ever about the pandemic. The county where my cabin is has zero reported cases and zero deaths. I can assure you this has nothing to do with leadership or government.
While I agree that scarboroughs meme is stupid and statistically meaningless - your retort was nearly as ridiculous. There are also no positive cases or deaths on the top of the water reservoir near my home.
 
Do you have a link for this? I don’t think Flynn said “don’t worry” about the sanctions. Trump imposed additional Russia sanctions, mounted a direct assault in the Russian oil economy, and more all of which belies this whole Russia agent conspiracy theory.

This was NOT the case during transition nor was it the tone of his early presidency.
Maybe Flynn lied to the Russians too? That seems to be his SOP. No wonder Trump thought so much of him. Birds of a feather and all that...
 
Well, in this country, you are innocent until proven guilty. Was Kavanaugh found guilty of anything?

Was it a trial? And who were the jurors making the decision? In either case, his behavior through the testimony demonstrated he's unqualified for the SCOTUS.
 
This was NOT the case during transition nor was it the tone of his early presidency.

Define "early".

Sanctions were imposed on Russia in August of 2017. Around 8 months on the job.

As is usually the case, people focus way too much on what he is saying as opposed to what he was doing. Yeah, he glad handed Russia a little bit because there is some use in trying to work with them...I mean, that was something another administration thought at one point in time. And that was merely 2 months into that administration's start and shortly after Russia had invaded Georgia in 2008.

Sorry, but many of you are capable of being intellectually honest about Trump anymore.
 
Was it a trial? And who were the jurors making the decision? In either case, his behavior through the testimony demonstrated he's unqualified for the SCOTUS.

Going to vote for Biden and does not see irony in this statement.
 
Define "early".

Sanctions were imposed on Russia in August of 2017. Around 8 months on the job.

As is usually the case, people focus way too much on what he is saying as opposed to what he was doing. Yeah, he glad handed Russia a little bit because there is some use in trying to work with them...I mean, that was something another administration thought at one point in time. And that was merely 2 months into that administration's start and shortly after Russia had invaded Georgia in 2008.

Sorry, but many of you are capable of being intellectually honest about Trump anymore.
Early is during election, transition, and first few months of presidency. He was decidedly pro Russia all throughout that period.

Oh, I’m not supposed to know what he’s doing vs what he’s saying early on. That’s cute that you had the decoder ring early on. I didn’t get mine in the mail. Too bad the FBI isn’t full of smart Trump whisperers like you.

**** off.
 
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If you're in the Obama administration and you are putting sanctions on Russia for meddling in our elections, why would you want anyone telling them not to worry about the sanctions. That kind of defeats the purpose, doesn't it?
Do you have a link for this? I don’t think Flynn said “don’t worry” about the sanctions. Trump imposed additional Russia sanctions, mounted a direct assault in the Russian oil economy, and more all of which belies this whole Russia agent conspiracy theory.

A better question is why did Obama pussy-foot around with this Russia issue for months before taking it seriously. The answer is coming into focus.
It's "don't overreact". It's in crazy's link.
 
Souls for Sale. Has a nice ring to it I think. Like I said four years ago, if you believed the Russian hoax, you're either stupid or a liar. It appears the evidence is mounting that shows how the Obama Administration used Russian disimformation in an attempt to frame the POTUS as a Russian agent. How ironical.
AG Barr today states he disagrees with your thread.
 
It's "don't overreact". It's in crazy's link.

I knew that. I think “don’t overreact” means what it says. It isn’t code for “don’t worry”. And it certainly isn’t code for saying “we will remove the sanctions”.
 
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I knew that. I think “don’t overreact” means what it says. It isn’t code for “don’t worry”. And it certainly isn’t code for saying “we will remove the sanctions”.
And the "don't overreact", wasn't a quote of Flynn, but of the author's.
 
NO NO NO NO NO. Again, you keep missing the KEY ELEMENT of unmasking. When someone makes an unmasking request, they DO NOT KNOW who they are unmasking. Biden and others were not "unmasking Flynn." They were "unmasking unnamed U.S. Person who happened to turn out to be Flynn after the fact."

That's incorrect. The unredacted raw transcripts often provided enough information to give the reader a very good idea of the identity of the US person participating in the communication. In Flynn's case, the extrinsic information about the date and parties to the phone calls also provided identifying information. This is why this material was redacted for 40 years following Reagan's order until Obama changed the rules which politicized the whole thing.
 
While I agree that scarboroughs meme is stupid and statistically meaningless - your retort was nearly as ridiculous. There are also no positive cases or deaths on the top of the water reservoir near my home.

Correct. My retort channeled Scarborough's stupidity.
 
That's incorrect. The unredacted raw transcripts often provided enough information to give the reader a very good idea of the identity of the US person participating in the communication. In Flynn's case, the extrinsic information about the date and parties to the phone calls also provided identifying information. This is why this material was redacted for 40 years following Reagan's order until Obama changed the rules which politicized the whole thing.
The raw transcripts listed the person's identity.

More evidence you are talking out your ass.
 
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