#Obamagate
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I believe what he says.
He has never done that before; why will he do it now?But then, didn't Hitler say something about peace in the beginning of his reign?
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You're being a tad disingenuous here. We're discussing sanctions regarding electoral interference, which weren't imposed till June 2018. You're listing a generic law that was passed by Congress with about 5 total anti-votes, so Trump had to sign it since a veto could have been overthrown easily. Also, it wasn't directed specifically at Russia, but NK and Iran as well, so it wasn't exactly taking Putin to task for trying to influence the election.
I've already explained my view about criminal prosecutions. What is here that makes you think I'd change my opinion?
Edit: Something seems fishy. Trump, Flynn and others were days away from getting all the information that Obama et. al. are talking about not revealing. "By the book". What does that even mean? This also confirms Comey's bad faith as he threw the book out when he sent "a couple of guys" over to talk to Flynn and concealing that he was a target.
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The real issue is not unmasking, though there is information there. The real issue is leaking classified information to the Washington Post. That is a federal felony in violation of the espionage laws of the country. It is a given that someone in the Obama DOJ, likely with Obama's knowledge, perhaps with his consent and/or at his direction gave classified information to the media
Do you really believe what you say here or is it your poor satire?
I can't believe that a college educated person can be this ........, well, never mind!
Rick Grenell is leaking the information. At the instruction of the POTUS. Any problem with that?
I agree with Ladoga.
Both Rick Grenell and Donald Trump must be tried for treason for leaking classified information.
Thanks for pointing that out, Ladoga! I know you can be good at something!
So how did the Post get the info?
And if "by the book" was so important (Rice noted it 3 times), the why did Comey admittedly not follow protocol? Is that not insubordination?
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HAHAHAHAHAHA. That is a really nice dance of irresponsible, unsubstantiated accusation you got going on there.
So, just to be clear:
Right-wing pundits speculate Obama did something wrong without evidence = Obama did something wrong.
Obama admin officials talking about not doing something wrong = Obama did something wrong.
Does it occur to you at all that you're simply predisposed to think Obama did something wrong?
This email has been a central part to the fever dream of the Trumpers. It was The Smoking Gun! It was released by acting DNI Rick Grenell at the direction of Trump.
It’s OK to admit you were wrong. Sometimes the fever dream is just that. A dream.
Edit to add Frum:
While we are here, if Trumpers are so damn concerned with national security and the IC, appointing Ratcliffe as DNI is a sorry reply. Acting DNI Grenell was mainly a Twitter troll before his appointment and he’s still more qualified than Ratcliffe.
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The Obama Admin DOJ had the classified info and then the Washington Post had it - during Obama's term. How did it get to the Post? Someone in the Obama DOJ or FBI gave it to them. Even you can figure that out when you're sober.
The Obama administration was dirty.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trump_Tower_meeting
The FBI was out to sabotage Trump.
https://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo...clinton-email-investigation-days-before-elect
The deep state at DOJ are just partisan hacks.
https://www.npr.org/2020/02/16/8065...barr-to-resign-after-intervening-in-stone-cas
To believe in Obamagate, one must believe that tens- if not hundreds- of people were in on the conspiracy. A conspiracy to prevent a presidency that has been unremarkable, but for the amount of news coverage spent on its ignorant, egotistical leader. A conspiracy that would have help from Flynn(pleaded guilty, 2 counts lying, Manafort(18 counts charged, jury and pleaded), and Stone( 7 counts, guilty by jury).
Or, one could look at Trump- his temperament and body of work- and believe Bill Barr is willing to do his bidding. Occam's Razor?
Like you, I'm blinded by my TDS.
Ratcliffe likely got the job due to his "defense" of the Impeached One during the Impeached One's Impeachment. For some reason the Pubs were impressed. I'll grant that he wasn't quite as offensive and shrill as Gym Jordan and Dougie "Please make me a Senator" Collins. But that's setting a really low bar...
The Rice CYA Memo, Unredacted
By Andrew C. McCarthy
May 20, 2020 11:43 AM
How amusing to find President Obama’s national-security advisor, Susan Rice, suddenly calling for public release of the Flynn–Kislyak conversation intercepted by the Obama administration in late December 2016. I called for its release nearly three-and-a-half years ago. Dr. Rice, in a familiar pattern for her, has spent the ensuing years saying things that were obviously untrue only to reverse herself once the paper trail starts to dribble out.
Try not to get dizzy. Rice has gone from claiming to have had no knowledge of Obama administration monitoring of Flynn and other Trump associates, to claiming no knowledge of any unmaskings of Trump associates, to admitting she was complicit in the unmaskings, to — now — a call for the recorded conversation between retired general Michael Flynn and Russian ambassador Sergey Kislyak to be released because it would purportedly show that the Obama administration had good reason to be concerned about Flynn (y’know, the guy she said she had no idea they were investigating).
Naturally, we have now learned that Rice was deeply involved in the Obama administration’s Trump–Russia investigation, including its sub-investigation of Flynn, a top Trump campaign surrogate who was slated to replace Rice as national-security advisor when President Trump took office. Last night, I did a column for Fox News, analyzing the newly unredacted paragraph from Rice’s previously reported email memorializing a White House meeting on these subjects.
The meeting took place on January 5, 2017, and involved Rice, Obama, and Vice President Biden, the administration’s top political hierarchy on national-security matters, along with Obama’s top law-enforcement and counterintelligence officials, deputy attorney general Sally Yates (soon formally to take the acting AG role she was already performing), and FBI director James Comey. Prior redactions had already demonstrated that the meeting’s central purpose was to discuss the rationale for withholding intelligence about Russia from the incoming Trump national-security team.
It is perfectly obvious that not all Russia information was being withheld. Indeed, the following day, Comey would join other intelligence chiefs to brief then-president-elect Trump on Russia’s interference in the 2016 campaign (and we now know the FBI treated Comey’s conversation with Trump as an investigative mission). What Obama officials decided to conceal was the Obama administration’s investigation of the Trump campaign — a probe based on the absurd theory that Trump’s campaign had conspired in the Kremlin’s hacking and other cyberespionage operations.
The Obama administration hoped to conceal what it had done so that the FBI and the Justice Department, which Comey and Yates would be staying on to lead, could continue the investigation even after Trump took office. And, of course, they did just that; in fact, the Bureau and DOJ renewed the 90-day FISA surveillance warrant on Carter Page just before Trump was inaugurated, and would renew it two more times (in April and June 2017) after Trump was in power — renewals that were easier to green-light because both Flynn and Attorney General Jeff Sessions had been sidelined from the Trump–Russia investigation.
Clearly, Rice, Obama, and Biden realized it would eventually become known to President Trump and top advisers that the Obama administration had both investigated his campaign, and had laid the groundwork to persist in investigating his administration. The patent point of Rice’s last-second email — written “To the File” (what file?) as she was leaving her office on January 20, memorializing a meeting that had occurred over two weeks earlier — was to shift responsibility from President Obama to FBI Director Comey for the pursuit of the Trump–Russia probe.
The newly unredacted paragraph from Rice’s email relates that Comey reported to Obama, Biden, and Rice on the FBI’s investigation of Flynn. The FBI director is said to have framed it as both a “law enforcement” matter (the theory that Flynn committed a crime by violating the moribund Logan Act) and a “national-security” matter (the counterintelligence investigation that the Bureau had actually closed for lack of evidence but was extending due to the Kislyak conversation — despite the lack of any wrongdoing).
According to Rice, Comey was non-committal when Obama asked whether Russia intelligence should be withheld from Flynn — “potentially,” he is quoted as responding. Rice claims Obama left the matter of concealing information from the Trump team unresolved, with the proviso that Comey was to report back if there were any changes.
Again, remember that Rice wrote this email on January 20. She knew it had been 15 days since the meeting. But her email includes no indication that Comey ever reported any changes back to Obama. We are left to conclude that Obama must never have directed that anything be done. Hey, if it turns out the FBI kept up its Trump–Russia investigation, that must have been Comey’s doing — Obama had nothing to do with it. Yup.
It is vital that the documentary record, which should have been uncovered years ago, continue being brought to light. It is good that Trump’s National Intelligence director Ric Grenell is forcing the issue. But let’s not forget: When it turns out that Obama officials have intentionally inserted after-the-fact CYA memos into “the File,” we have to ask why they have done so . . . and to read what they’ve written with that in mind.
https://www.nationalreview.com/corne...mo-unredacted/
By Andrew C. McCarthy
May 20, 2020 11:43 AM
How amusing to find President Obama’s national-security advisor, Susan Rice, suddenly calling for public release of the Flynn–Kislyak conversation intercepted by the Obama administration in late December 2016. I called for its release nearly three-and-a-half years ago. Dr. Rice, in a familiar pattern for her, has spent the ensuing years saying things that were obviously untrue only to reverse herself once the paper trail starts to dribble out.
Try not to get dizzy. Rice has gone from claiming to have had no knowledge of Obama administration monitoring of Flynn and other Trump associates, to claiming no knowledge of any unmaskings of Trump associates, to admitting she was complicit in the unmaskings, to — now — a call for the recorded conversation between retired general Michael Flynn and Russian ambassador Sergey Kislyak to be released because it would purportedly show that the Obama administration had good reason to be concerned about Flynn (y’know, the guy she said she had no idea they were investigating).
Naturally, we have now learned that Rice was deeply involved in the Obama administration’s Trump–Russia investigation, including its sub-investigation of Flynn, a top Trump campaign surrogate who was slated to replace Rice as national-security advisor when President Trump took office. Last night, I did a column for Fox News, analyzing the newly unredacted paragraph from Rice’s previously reported email memorializing a White House meeting on these subjects.
The meeting took place on January 5, 2017, and involved Rice, Obama, and Vice President Biden, the administration’s top political hierarchy on national-security matters, along with Obama’s top law-enforcement and counterintelligence officials, deputy attorney general Sally Yates (soon formally to take the acting AG role she was already performing), and FBI director James Comey. Prior redactions had already demonstrated that the meeting’s central purpose was to discuss the rationale for withholding intelligence about Russia from the incoming Trump national-security team.
It is perfectly obvious that not all Russia information was being withheld. Indeed, the following day, Comey would join other intelligence chiefs to brief then-president-elect Trump on Russia’s interference in the 2016 campaign (and we now know the FBI treated Comey’s conversation with Trump as an investigative mission). What Obama officials decided to conceal was the Obama administration’s investigation of the Trump campaign — a probe based on the absurd theory that Trump’s campaign had conspired in the Kremlin’s hacking and other cyberespionage operations.
The Obama administration hoped to conceal what it had done so that the FBI and the Justice Department, which Comey and Yates would be staying on to lead, could continue the investigation even after Trump took office. And, of course, they did just that; in fact, the Bureau and DOJ renewed the 90-day FISA surveillance warrant on Carter Page just before Trump was inaugurated, and would renew it two more times (in April and June 2017) after Trump was in power — renewals that were easier to green-light because both Flynn and Attorney General Jeff Sessions had been sidelined from the Trump–Russia investigation.
Clearly, Rice, Obama, and Biden realized it would eventually become known to President Trump and top advisers that the Obama administration had both investigated his campaign, and had laid the groundwork to persist in investigating his administration. The patent point of Rice’s last-second email — written “To the File” (what file?) as she was leaving her office on January 20, memorializing a meeting that had occurred over two weeks earlier — was to shift responsibility from President Obama to FBI Director Comey for the pursuit of the Trump–Russia probe.
The newly unredacted paragraph from Rice’s email relates that Comey reported to Obama, Biden, and Rice on the FBI’s investigation of Flynn. The FBI director is said to have framed it as both a “law enforcement” matter (the theory that Flynn committed a crime by violating the moribund Logan Act) and a “national-security” matter (the counterintelligence investigation that the Bureau had actually closed for lack of evidence but was extending due to the Kislyak conversation — despite the lack of any wrongdoing).
According to Rice, Comey was non-committal when Obama asked whether Russia intelligence should be withheld from Flynn — “potentially,” he is quoted as responding. Rice claims Obama left the matter of concealing information from the Trump team unresolved, with the proviso that Comey was to report back if there were any changes.
Again, remember that Rice wrote this email on January 20. She knew it had been 15 days since the meeting. But her email includes no indication that Comey ever reported any changes back to Obama. We are left to conclude that Obama must never have directed that anything be done. Hey, if it turns out the FBI kept up its Trump–Russia investigation, that must have been Comey’s doing — Obama had nothing to do with it. Yup.
It is vital that the documentary record, which should have been uncovered years ago, continue being brought to light. It is good that Trump’s National Intelligence director Ric Grenell is forcing the issue. But let’s not forget: When it turns out that Obama officials have intentionally inserted after-the-fact CYA memos into “the File,” we have to ask why they have done so . . . and to read what they’ve written with that in mind.
https://www.nationalreview.com/corne...mo-unredacted/
This is an interesting wrinkle. The FBI was tapping Kislyak. Flynn was calling Kislyak and therefore showing on the FBI wiretaps. The FBI said they never redacted Flynn’s name.
Michael Flynn’s name was never masked in FBI document on his communications with Russian ambassador
“When the FBI circulated [the report], they included Flynn’s name from the beginning” because it was essential to understanding its significance, said a former senior U.S. official, who spoke on the condition of anonymity to describe sensitive intelligence. “There were therefore no requests for the unmasking of that information.”
When told by The Post that the name was never masked in the Dec. 29 communication, a Graham aide said the committee would still like the Office of the Director of National Intelligence’s “written answer” to its question.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/nati...b35f_story.html#click=https://t.co/zfbmGRXGHQ
Michael Flynn’s name was never masked in FBI document on his communications with Russian ambassador
“When the FBI circulated [the report], they included Flynn’s name from the beginning” because it was essential to understanding its significance, said a former senior U.S. official, who spoke on the condition of anonymity to describe sensitive intelligence. “There were therefore no requests for the unmasking of that information.”
When told by The Post that the name was never masked in the Dec. 29 communication, a Graham aide said the committee would still like the Office of the Director of National Intelligence’s “written answer” to its question.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/nati...b35f_story.html#click=https://t.co/zfbmGRXGHQ
Is this really what you guys are going with? Man, you must really think very little of voters.
Hey it’s better than addressing 100,000 dead and 35M unemployed. And yes, Trump does think his voters are this dumb.
"Hey it’s better than addressing 100,000 dead and 35M unemployed. And yes, Trump
I really do hate to generalize, and there are some exceptions who post here. But generally speaking, based on my daily perusal of the comments section on various articles that appear on the yahoo platform, I m forced to (sadly) concur that your post is true...
As in, is this really your plan for the election? To try to convince voters to believe in this nonsense conspiracy theory in the hopes it will rub off on Biden?
What are they covering up here? Never heard of anything like it. She clearly had something big on Biden and Obama. She was also the one that predicted a black swan event for 2024.
Hey DBM. You posted a report about the wire tap of Trump towers (circa 2015) a while ago. I can’t find it with the goat search function, but it mentioned that the FBI/CIA/Swamp tapping program was called “project Fulsom”.
Fulsom prison
Isn’t that…. Just a little bit **** you funny and self explanatory to organized intent? No that wasn’t actually a question.
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