Please don't count a play in.
Just burn it to the damn ground. JFC.
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Miami did out coach IU. No doubt about that. IU can't put two games together with high intensity.
Woodson has not developed one player. Think about it. Did Race get better? Did Trayce get a jump shot? Banks, Gunn, Dunlop...?
Agree with most of this.
Miami is not a better team. They have one guard.
They simply wanted it more and busted ass to get it. IU seemed tired and ready to get on with life.
Your last paragraph is exactly correct. Miami gave more effort. They wanted it more. Our urgency and effort the last three minutes pissed me off. Why not the same effort from start to finish of the game?
Trayce was markedly better this year, and Trey improved his 3 pt shooting as much as anyone I've seen in a year. I agree Dunlop did not improve. Who's Dunlop?
EJ may not have been “involved,” but his rerecruitment certainly would have aroused the NCAA. If there were improper benefits offered to a Derek Elston (who wasn’t nearly the player EJ was), who’s to say there wasn’t something with EJ changing his commitment?Sampson's phone call violation was with Demetri McCamey, Devan Ebanks, etc
Eric Gordon was not involved.
Eric Gordon says dream was to attend IU, was disappointed with how it handled Kelvin Sampson firing
From the start of his recruitment through the end of his lone season in Bloomington, everything about Eric Gordon’s college experience was drama-filled. Gordon had almost every top program in…www.thedailyhoosier.com
Where there’s smoke, there’s fire.
The overarching point is this—they hired a known cheater, he promised he wouldn’t do it again, he did it again, got caught, and lied about it. It never should have happened. Period.
Lol, exactly. If you don't even know the names of the damn players, I'm not going to listen to your take on their lack of improvement.
I knew, from the first play when TJD didn't even attempt to block their shot, this team wasn't ready to play.
I swear, they were sleepwalking through the first half, woke up long enough to cut the lead and then take the lead, and then they just quit hustling.
Other teams are moving their feet, jockying for position on rebounds, hustling in general - not this team. They slow-walk everything unless they're on a fast break.
I've never been as frustrated with an IU team, and I've never seen a worse rebounding IU team - not even any other close to how bad this team was.
I'll be the heretic here - I'm not glad to see TJD go, but I won't miss him that much. We may finally get an offense that doesn't require him to play hero-ball (and I don't blame him for that) and make other people move instead of standing around. We will, for sure, miss his shot blocking ability, but he misses as many bunnies as he hits, and he's a turnover machine. Sorry - that's just the way I see it. Great guy, though - kid's going to do a lot beyond basketball.
Trey did improve, but that last few games, he didn't hit many. He probably had a good percentage, but teams must have started to respect that, because he wasn't as productive at the end.
Yes, Trayce was better, but my God - he misses so many EASY shots and he has a high amount of turnovers. He tries to put the ball on the floor when he's double-teamed and gets stripped a lot. Race, too.
I think Dunlop is a distant cousin of Ivan Renko.
I don't understand this 'better team' stuff. Is Northwestern a better team than we are? Is Penn State?
It doesn't matter who has the most talent if that talent loses.
Sorry - any team that beats us twice this year is a better team, and we would be hard pressed to win 3 out of 10 games against Miami.
How badly do you need to get beat before you admit the other team is better?
Like most of your post, but unfortunately I've been just as disappointed with many of our teams since the Crean error began.
As to TJD, great guy, great representative of the U, but lacked leadership. A guy like Pickett from PSU wouldn't have put up with a lot of the stuff that went on with this team. Brilliant highlight film player, but he couldn't block out that 6'7" Miami forward....in that way, too soft for what this team needed. Or maybe he just got tired of carrying 12 other guys and the coach.
Hustle, playing harder, and wanting it more are part of being a better team. At least, I’m including those factors when I say “they were the better team tonight”
You’re desperate for wins if you count a Wednesday night game in Dayton against Wyoming as an NCAA tournament win.
What do you two base that on? They won their conference, we didn’t. We’re about equal in Kenpom. They have the better guards by far.
I really wonder, Woodson is 65 , back at IU with his office and RMK coming to practice , Wittman comes to practices . Maybe he is just comfortable back there and having his friends around. He just doesn't seem to have much energy as a coach to me.
It's his way, some, too. Howabout that on the court interview last night?
"They complain too much."
Silence.
"This is big time b-ball."
Silence.
I loved it. Woody may not work out like we hoped, but he looks like a man out there, going about his business. Not doing his business on Twitter, etc. But a man of few words.
Reminds me a lot of Dan Dakich.
Like many, I wouldn't mind retiring to Btown too. My income will be quite a bit less than Woodson.
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do it now.
as an active looker all over HNF, i see people are buying land at a steady pace. we want to retire down there on some acreage, maybe build over time. hasn't been easy thus far even w 2 dudes looking all over S Ind. i've noticed prices rising the past 2-3 years even for undeveloped land.
and the closer to Kentucky it is, the cheaper it is. Dumber too.
I have noticed that. A few years ago I started looking at land. Those prices have sure gone up.
Then we even started thinking of one of those new downtown condos. We liked the thought of walkability to restaurants and Farmers Market. With plenty of state and national forests I could get my nature fix for free.
Well the cost of those downtown condos has reached insane levels (in my book).
@kurt cloverdales @Courtsensetwo waiting in your detailed explanations for how we are a clearly better team than Miami. Please provide ASAP, or cop to spouting off.
We will certainly see next year without an all american and a lottery pick he is going to have one heck of alot of evergy if we are going to make the tourney
IU didn’t self report the violations. The NCAA informed IU of the alleged violations, then IU did an internal investigation and found that they did occur, though they disagreed about the lack of institutional control allegation. Sampson resigned and the NCAA banned him for 5 years. IU couldn’t have kept him even if they wanted to. They didn’t.
Whether you like it or not it counts. It was the play in for 11 seed too, which I think is wrong to do. Make all the 16s play in instead.
If a team gets an automatic bid to the tournament, they have earned the right to play in the first round.
The play in games are designed to allow bubble teams to play each other and see who makes the tournament (the first round of the tournament).
First, it’s a fact that the games count as “in the tournament” and the win or loss goes on their tournament record. Second, a play in for 11 means those teams should be in as an 11 or 12 seed without the play in. The play in games should be for the 16s, because those teams are truly 16s or out.
You are entitled to your opinion. And I know I won’t change it.
Then why are they called play in games?
What are they playing to get into? The NCAA tournament 1st round.
They count as tournament games because they are. They are officially called the First Four, not play in games, and I shouldn’t have used that term. This is not my opinion this is a fact.
Still should be for the 16 spots, but that IS my opinion.
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How are you feeling today? As emotional as when you posted this? There are a lot of facts to consider. What you choose to focus on says a little about yourself. Maybe you can choose differently? Fact is, we were a dumpster fire from Archie’s doing. Hadn’t seen a tourney since 2016. Fact is, Woodson has improved us each of his first two years and gotten us to the tourney both years. Fact is, he got us further in the B1G tourney than we have been in some time (meh, not a big deal). Fact is, Woodson is a good coach. Now can he take us where we want to be?
Several people here have prayed to have a coach as good as Painter in recent years. And Woodson has changed that. People want more again. Guy has earned a chance to continue to work his magic. He gets one stumble (next year). And it better not be a big one. Those calling for his head are morons (yep my opinion and I stand by it).
Based on all the posts I have read, if he makes the tourney next year, he should get a lifetime appointment. If he does make the tourney next year, he most definitely deserves another couple of years. If he doesn’t, he deserves another. If things aren’t trending great, then it is fair to heavily question his employment. But what we need right now is to consistently be in the conversation. Each year the shiny new toy shows itself, and I don’t have the mentality of a 2yo like half the posters I’m on this board. That is all…
It’s not an opinion, it’s a fact. We have way too many people that don’t know the difference between opinions and facts on this board.
You can't argue with a fool. If they'd take the time to google the 22 ncaa tournament record they see it starts with the "First Four" games. The NCAA considers it a win but it doesn't fit certain posters on here agenda., They can argue all they want but as long as the NCAA recognizes it's a win that proof enough for me,
Relax there chief. I’m saying it’s a tourney win. First 4 in counts as a tourney win. People who say it doesn’t have an argument to some extent, if you want to go based on the original 64 are in.
The original tournament was 32 teams. By that logic the entire first round doesn’t count
