I think you're misconstruing the idea that it doesn't guarantee them a spot on the team (true) with the idea that it precludes it if they are basically paying their own way as a walk on. That's not a very authoritative source on the subject, try again, because that doesn't make senseThe players bill of rights guarantees them a scholarship. It does not guarantee them a spot on the team. A player can’t go from athletic scholarship to academic scholarship and stay on the team.
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And I didnt argue with you originally. I asked why we would want 14 “scholarship” players when only 9-10 are even going to see the floor. Why not just get rid of someone and save the NIL deal for someone who will actually contribute in the future.
Our sixth man and our seventh man. Both Galloway and Rob missed multiple games during important parts of the season.
I’m not arguing that. I’m simply stating that NIL will keep a certain few who want to stay. Might only be 1 in 5 years. It’s already happening. I need to find that article.
No, you clearly are not following.
A player can move from scholarship to a walk on, BUT THEY MUST PAY THEIR OWN WAY WITHOUT AN ACADEMIC SCHOLARSHIP.
A player can also move from an athletic scholarship to an academic scholarship (which is guaranteed under Athlete BOR), however, THEY CANNOT REMAIN ON THE TEAM.
The ONLY way to accomplish what you are suggesting is for a player to move to a walk on and pay their own way. The player could sign a NIL deal to pay him enough to cover the cost of tuition and other college expenses, but the school can provide them with no scholarship,
And I was arguing with the other poster that stated he could have an academic scholarship and stay on the team.
This is the football one. There are more.
Does BYU's Walk-On NIL deal mean the end of scholarship limits? Probably not. But it's still cool!
Did BYU accidentally just kill the 85-man scholarship limit, or is their new NIL deal more of a perfect storm than an automatic new trend?
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You replied: They can’t get academic scholarships. They can get a NIL deal to pay their way, but they can’t get academic scholarships.
I think you did. Yes. per the definitive blog post written by none other than "Jeff Necessary" in some weird forum you drudged across, we're not exactly talking with Jay Bilas here are we?
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Better is a huge stretch. Bates was scoring 6.6 pts on 43% shooting. Branham was scoring 6.3 pts 42% shooting (so about the same) and was doubling up Bates on assists and rebounds AND did so against vastly tougher competition (and wasn't a defensive liability). IU played one team during that stretch that played postseason games (Wisc). OSU played 4 NCAA tournament teams and another 3 that played in the NIT, 2 of which just missed the NCAA tournament. Against IU's schedule, Branham would have been averaging 12+ pts on 50+% shooting and would have had 3-4x the number of assists and rebounds as Bates.
And Branham was likely proving it practice that he had the ability to excel at the level he did as he was starting by game 2. Bates was generally no better than 2nd (if not 3rd) off the bench to start the season and considering the competition doesn't speak to a ton of early confidence in him. To the extent that you stick with guys in hopes that they develop, you do it based off of productivity in practice
There were many other responses on a different topic in the time it took you to respond.
I agree they could do that, but I don’t see why they would. And as a NIL contributor I’d be pissed if the money went towards paying the way for the 14th man. No ROI on that investment.
The likely scenario remains Duncomb leaving.
JFC. Those are the NCAA rules. I couldn’t find the exact definition for you, so I provided another person saying the exact same thing.
What you are suggesting is not allowed. Everyone would be doing it if it were.
🤣😂 He talks over himself and then makes statements that contradict his previous ones.
That sounds absurd. So they can use NIL money to pay tuition, but not have an academic scholarship if they have earned it? That's nuts, and the article you referenced could have just as easily been penned by Ric Flair, I don't believe that's true at all, reference an NCAA rule, not some bloggers opinion of generalities
It’s their money, why couldn’t they? How is that any different from a regular student working while paying their way through school?
The rule is in place so that schools can’t just hand out “scholarships” to walk-ons. Duke would have 4-5 top 100 players on “academic scholarships” if the rule wasn’t in place.
Do your own fvcking research. This is common knowledge to most who follow the sport.
Now with NIL they can have the same effect. You wait and see if a kid gets an NIL “scholarship”. It will happen in Football more frequently.
I'm not suggesting anything isn't allowed, what I'm suggesting is that it would be absurd for the NCAA to not allow a academic scholar paying their own way to not be a walk on. Hypothetical, let's say Jess Settles has one more year of eligibility and gets struck by lightning or kicked by a horse and grows a brain. He wants his COVID year while he pursues his PhD in Astrophysics at Iowa. Fran and the ghost of Tom Davis decide he can walk on and still be a Rhodes Scholar, that's not allowed? Not everybody would be doing it, that's about the stupid hypothetical it would require for teams to take advantage of it.
I agree that it would make more sense in football since players take longer to develop, and football recruiting is harder to predict.
I believe it will happen. Technically they can use them as redshirts without being considered a redshirt. Think about that. Lots of creativity coming.
No, it’s not allowed, because he started his eligibility in 1993 and you only have 5 years to complete your eligibility (barring a medical waiver or pandemic).
You stated someone was on academic scholarship AND that they were paying their own way. That’s contradictory.
A player recruited to be a preferred walk on cannot be on academic scholarship. An IU student that receives an academic scholarship and has never been recruited to IU can be a walk on and maintain their academic scholarship.
The son of a coach can also have a faculty full ride and still play on the team.
Why would he need an academic scholarship if he’s already on an athletic scholarship?
The answer is no. You can’t kick a kid off an athletic scholarship and then reward him with an athletic scholarship while walking on to play the same sport. It would be absurd everywhere.
Yes, but can you really prove Settles wasn't in Wuhan between 1993 and 1999? Can you? It's entirely possible in my mind that he and Jaaks ate bats
how much Kurt
OK, let's say Leal quits for a couple years, just not working out. He's a smart kid purportedly had an offer for Stanford. Let's say he drives a garbage truck for a couple years like Larry Bird, then decides he wants to play again but has an academic scholarship and wants to walk on. He's not allowed to play or has to pay for it with NIL money being out of it for a couple years and coming back as a walk on? That's BS
Reading comprehension? The question is why couldn't an athlete just take an academic scholarship and still want to play as a walk on if they want, and why would anybody get an athletic scholarship from one they're being removed from for another one, free agency, drink much?
I just texted a player and he told me 70/30 he comes back. So I’ll put any amount on it you would like. Maybe a vacation to some luxurious island? Or a half gallon of Kamchatka. Whatever you want @kurt cloverdales
Again, he would not allowed to play because his eligibility started in 2020. That means he has until 2025 to play college basketball.
The answer to your question is that there is an NCAA preventing it. Don’t like it? Take it up with the NCAA. None of us made the rules.
I would argue academic scholarship IS paying your own way. You are there then to enhance the academic status of the university through your endeavors and they are compensating you through tuition .. hence paying your own way, at least a trade off
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You have 5 years to play 4 once your clock starts. You can’t just step away from the game for a few years (unless you have a religious waiver; BYU) and come back on scholarship with your eligibility still intact. You’re whole theory goes out the window right there.
Because there is a rule the prohibits walk-ons from receiving academic scholarships ya dip shit. I’m sure every single walk-on in America would want an academic scholarship. They can’t receive them.
“would send a very poor message if he sits JHS and Bates in favor of Galloway”
Idiotic and why people Iike Dan Dakich have listeners. The idea of sitting a better player for what is currently an AAU paper tiger is laughable.
This team can’t sit Galloway unless someone makes a big jump.
The only reason you have any small shred of legitimacy in this debate is the fact that Woodson kept playing Parker Stewart. I think he must of been killing in practice and they wanted to give the senior a chance to turn the corner. Unfortunately it never happened.
Recruiting is rolling and the best players with the best chance of winning will play. Period. If they don’t like it another spot will open. That’s how it works on contending teams.
