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[turney333]

Not a single person here knows what happened in practice this year.

I’m a firm believer that some players are gamers. Practice doesn’t always translate, and some players perform better outside of practice, because it means more.

There can certain things that don't translate, but "because it means" more isn't going to improve shooting, dribbling, defensive positioning, etc. Its going to manifest in confidence, hustle plays, decision making.

I think Galloway is someone that is probably a gamer, and when healthy, earned more minutes as the season went along because he was elevating himself in games above what he was doing in practice.

I suspect that what happened with Bates was the opposite - he was maybe performing better in practice, getting more minutes early, but it wasn't translating to games and started losing minutes. Bates' performance in practice could also have been slipping.

JG was great at hustle plays, but just giving him minutes at the 3 wasn't going to improve his dribbling and perimeter defense.

 

[B1G_Fan]

There can certain things that don't translate, but "because it means" more isn't going to improve shooting, dribbling, defensive positioning, etc. Its going to manifest in confidence, hustle plays, decision making.

I think Galloway is someone that is probably a gamer, and when healthy, earned more minutes as the season went along because he was elevating himself in games above what he was doing in practice.

I suspect that what happened with Bates was the opposite - he was maybe performing better in practice, getting more minutes early, but it wasn't translating to games and started losing minutes. Bates' performance in practice could also have been slipping.

JG was great at hustle plays, but just giving him minutes at the 3 wasn't going to improve his dribbling and perimeter defense.

One example of your first paragraph is from Purdue during Trevion Williams freshman year. He wasn’t playing Williams until they had injuries and foul trouble. Williams came in and played very well. When asked why he hadn’t been playing, Painter said others had been better in practice. Over the next few games it became obvious that Williams should be playing based on his game play, and Painter gave in and played him a lot. They went from out of the tournament to winning the Big Ten and making the Elite 8. That wouldn’t have happened if Williams had stayed on the bench.

Through their respective first 10 games this year, Bates had better numbers than Galloway.

I never suggested JG should have played the 3 last year. He should have been given all of Durr’s minutes though when we weren’t playing Illinois, Purdue, or Michigan.

 

[turney333]

One example of your first paragraph is from Purdue during Trevion Williams freshman year. He wasn’t playing Williams until they had injuries and foul trouble. Williams came in and played very well. When asked why he hadn’t been playing, Painter said others had been better in practice. Over the next few games it became obvious that Williams should be playing based on his game play, and Painter gave in and played him a lot. They went from out of the tournament to winning the Big Ten and making the Elite 8. That wouldn’t have happened if Williams had stayed on the bench.

Through their respective first 10 games this year, Bates had better numbers than Galloway.

I never suggested JG should have played the 3 last year. He should have been given all of Durr’s minutes though when we weren’t playing Illinois, Purdue, or Michigan.

About the only thing Bates even slightly better than Galloway through 10 games was scoring - 6.7 vs 6.4 pts. But Galloway was doing that on 54% shooting vs Bates shooting 44%. Galloway was also more than doubling Bates' rebounds and assists and playing much better defense. And Galloway put up those numbers mostly against conference competition coming off of wrist surgery. Galloway was far more impressive through 10 games

 

[B1G_Fan]

About the only thing Bates even slightly better than Galloway through 10 games was scoring - 6.7 vs 6.4 pts. But Galloway was doing that on 54% shooting vs Bates shooting 44%. Galloway was also more than doubling Bates' rebounds and assists and playing much better defense. And Galloway put up those numbers mostly against conference competition coming off of wrist surgery. Galloway was far more impressive through 10 games

Galloway was at 5.4 points through 10 games this year. Bates was also the superior shooter at 36% compared to Galloway’s 28%.

Funny that you should mention rebounding. I did find it interesting when looking these stats up that Galloway was literally the worst rebounder on the team last year.

Bates will jump Galloway. I’ll put any amount of money you want on it.

 

[turney333]

Galloway was at 5.4 points through 10 games this year. Bates was also the superior shooter at 36% compared to Galloway’s 28%.

Funny that you should mention rebounding. I did find it interesting when looking these stats up that Galloway was literally the worst rebounder on the team last year.

Bates will jump Galloway. I’ll put any amount of money you want on it.

Galloway was scoring 5.4 when you include the game he only played 4 minutes because of getting hurt. And if Bates was shooting that much better from 3, and still only scoring slightly better than Galloway, that suggests the rest of Bates' offensive game was struggling

And are you seriously trying to compare total season rebounding stats for a guy that effectively missed 13 games and played another 5 with a groin injury.

 

[B1G_Fan]

Galloway was scoring 5.4 when you include the game he only played 4 minutes because of getting hurt. And if Bates was shooting that much better from 3, and still only scoring slightly better than Galloway, that suggests the rest of Bates' offensive game was struggling

And are you seriously trying to compare total season rebounding stats for a guy that effectively missed 13 games and played another 5 with a groin injury.

Lol you think I was talking about Galloways total rebounding stats? Per 40 minutes he averaged 3.2 rebounds per game. Worst on the team. He had a resounding percentage of 4.6. Worst on the team.

 

[ufo33]

He’s not in the playoffs. 🤦🏻

Carsen Edwards is a G-League and Euro-ball player.

Use your words.

XJ/JHS
Bates/McNeil or Dennis
Geronimo/Kopp
Race/Reneau
TJD/Reneau

TJD
Race
Reneau
X
JHS

 

[B1G_Fan]

Carsen Edwards is a G-League and Euro-ball player.

TJD
Race
Reneau
X
JHS

Okay, we’ll this certainly won’t be the lineup.

 

[Victorbmyboy]

Okay, we’ll this certainly won’t be the lineup.

Reneau isn’t a 3. By any stretch. He’s not even a stretch 4. I agree.

 

[B1G_Fan]

Reneau isn’t a 3. By any stretch. He’s not even a stretch 4. I agree.

Yep, agreed. I believe he will play the same position TJD currently does

 

[Victorbmyboy]

Yep, agreed. I believe he will play the same position TJD currently does

He should. He reminds me of Jared Sullinger as far as skill set. His footwork is his strong suit. You have to watch him a few times to see how good he really is. He might be a better shooter than many think. He just didn’t need to on those teams. People need to understand he’s not like TJD at all. His game fits in that role but he’s not elite athletically.

 

[B1G_Fan]

He should. He reminds me of Jared Sullinger as far as skill set. His footwork is his strong suit. You have to watch him a few times to see how good he really is. He might be a better shooter than many think. He just didn’t need to on those teams. People need to understand he’s not like TJD at all. His game fits in that role but he’s not elite athletically.

Im sticking with my Nick Ward comparison haha

 

[Victorbmyboy]

Im sticking with my Nick Ward comparison haha

He’s kind of just solid at what he does. His footwork is ahead of a lot of guys. Looks to be a worker too.

 

[Victorbmyboy]

Im sticking with my Nick Ward comparison haha

Maybe Zach Randolph?

 

[B1G_Fan]

Maybe Zach Randolph?

I could see that, but I think he is at least a 3 year player

 

[rocketo]

Lol completely laughable to suggest he will be an All Conference player. He was a role player on a mediocre team. It’s not like he was some stud last year. His shooting has been poor even since high school, so no, it’s not a wrist issue.

That high IQ player had a 20.2 turnover percentage.

He’s a high energy player and he plays extremely hard…. However he’s extremely limited and a small role player on a good team.

Well, he is an impact player as he showed this year. He flat out changed the dynamic of a few games when he was brought in due to his intensity, especially on the defensive side of the ball. I disagree that he is extremely limited, unless you mean his distance shooting. Because he is limited there, and if anything, that’s what we limit the amount of time he spends on the floor.

 

[Victorbmyboy]

I could see that, but I think he is at least a 3 year player

Yeah game was different then. Still post first.

 

[Victorbmyboy]

Well, he is an impact player as he showed this year. He flat out changed the dynamic of a few games when he was brought in due to his intensity, especially on the defensive side of the ball. I disagree that he is extremely limited, unless you mean his distance shooting. Because he is limited there, and if anything, that’s what we limit the amount of time he spends on the floor.

The problem is we only had 3 wings last year. They all aren’t complete enough. Tamar gets under control and gets his shot going he’s going to be a better 2-3 than anyone we have. I expect the workouts and intensity to increase with better talent. You put banks, Tamar, kopp, jG in the 3 spot..who’s coming out on top? Trey can play the 2 or 3 I’m just not sure he is a starter. He’s definitely an off the bench energy guy. God I wish his shot would improve. Of course some of those guys will be asked to play multiple spots though.

 

[B1G_Fan]

Well, he is an impact player as he showed this year. He flat out changed the dynamic of a few games when he was brought in due to his intensity, especially on the defensive side of the ball. I disagree that he is extremely limited, unless you mean his distance shooting. Because he is limited there, and if anything, that’s what we limit the amount of time he spends on the floor.

He had some good games. He had some poor games. He isn't an impact player on a good team. The team got better this offseason.

 

[rocketo]

He had some good games. He had some poor games. He isn't an impact player on a good team. The team got better this offseason.

We did get better. And he was an impact player on a good team. Teams don’t make the NCAA tourney if they aren’t good.

 

[B1G_Fan]

We did get better. And he was an impact player on a good team. Teams don’t make the NCAA tourney if they aren’t good.

Lol that’s ridiculous. We got 9th in the Big Ten. Last year’s team was not good.

 

[Victorbmyboy]

Lol that’s ridiculous. We got 9th in the Big Ten. Last year’s team was not good.

It was good enough. Better than it had been. I expect us to jump significantly next year.

 

[rocketo]

Lol that’s ridiculous. We got 9th in the Big Ten. Last year’s team was not good.

Disagree. Not as good as I want. But they were good. We don’t beat some of those teams we beat and play others so close without being a good team. You don’t agree. That’s ok

 

[B1G_Fan]

It was good enough. Better than it had been. I expect us to jump significantly next year.

I agree, but that’s because I expect different players to be playing.

 

[B1G_Fan]

Disagree. Not as good as I want. But they were good. We don’t beat some of those teams we beat and play others so close without being a good team. You don’t agree. That’s ok

We lost to some bad teams too. We all want to be top of the Big Ten and deep runs in the tournament. Galloway type players don’t get you there.

 

[Al Bino]

We lost to some bad teams too. We all want to be top of the Big Ten and deep runs in the tournament. Galloway type players don’t get you there.

For sure, a WHOLE team of Galloways don't get us to the top of the BT but I sure want TG at IU going forward.

 

[oldcougar77]

Not a single person here knows what happened in practice this year.

I’m a firm believer that some players are gamers. Practice doesn’t always translate, and some players perform better outside of practice, because it means more.

Ninety-nine percent of actual coaches disagree. But feel free to believe you are the smartest guy in the room.

 

[B1G_Fan]

Ninety-nine percent of actual coaches disagree. But feel free to believe you are the smartest guy in the room.

Do you have a stat to back that up?

“99% of actual coaches disagree you”. See how easy that was to make up?

 

[oldcougar77]

Do you have a stat to back that up?

“99% of actual coaches disagree you”. See how easy that was to make up?

Nope. Just like you I throw my opinions out there as gospel. The only difference is that I've spent a lifetime coaching basketball and you've spent a lifetime watching it on tv. I'll trust Woodson's opinion on who should be playing all day long over your alligator-mouth bravado.

 

[B1G_Fan]

Nope. Just like you I throw my opinions out there as gospel. The only difference is that I've spent a lifetime coaching basketball and you've spent a lifetime watching it on tv. I'll trust Woodson's opinion on who should be playing all day long over your alligator-mouth bravado.

Congrats on coaching 3rd grade girls. How many city titles did you win?

Woodson obviously agrees with me considering he is heavily pursuing multiple wings. If he thought Galloway was good enough, there would be no reason to being in other wings.

 

[oldcougar77]

Congrats on coaching 3rd grade girls. How many city titles did you win?

Woodson obviously agrees with me considering he is heavily pursuing multiple wings. If he thought Galloway was good enough, there would be no reason to being in other wings.

LOL

 

[Champs1976]

Bates and Galloway are both wings as is Kopp. Galloway often came in for Kopp.

Woodson clearly disagrees with your assessment of Dennis and McNeil as he is heavily recruiting them. He understands we have to upgrade the wing position. Galloway is not a player that would get big minutes on a good team.

Galloway is a guard, not a wing, that's why he could play the point against Northwestern. Galoway would get minutes on a lot of teams due to his effort, smarts, defensive ability and ability to drive. The team was much better with Galloway available than when he wasn't. Absolutely sure Dennis doesn't give you much more than Galloway. McNeil's shooting would be a plus, but that's what we thought when Kopp transferred.

Give it up, you are just so wrong on so many things. Bet you never played on a high school and for sure not on a college team and have zero experience or interaction with coaches who coach basketball for a living. Not to mention I suspect you have few interactions with players who've played the game at the collegiate or higher level.

 

[Cavanagh]

Galloway is a guard, not a wing, that's why he could play the point against Northwestern. Galoway would get minutes on a lot of teams due to his effort, smarts, defensive ability and ability to drive. The team was much better with Galloway available than when he wasn't. Absolutely sure Dennis doesn't give you much more than Galloway. McNeil's shooting would be a plus, but that's what we thought when Kopp transferred.

Give it up, you are just so wrong on so many things. Bet you never played on a high school and for sure not on a college team and have zero experience or interaction with coaches who coach basketball for a living. Not to mention I suspect you have few interactions with players who've played the game at the collegiate or higher level.

Morning!

 

[B1G_Fan]

Galloway is a guard, not a wing, that's why he could play the point against Northwestern. Galoway would get minutes on a lot of teams due to his effort, smarts, defensive ability and ability to drive. The team was much better with Galloway available than when he wasn't. Absolutely sure Dennis doesn't give you much more than Galloway. McNeil's shooting would be a plus, but that's what we thought when Kopp transferred.

Give it up, you are just so wrong on so many things. Bet you never played on a high school and for sure not on a college team and have zero experience or interaction with coaches who coach basketball for a living. Not to mention I suspect you have few interactions with players who've played the game at the collegiate or higher level.

Galloway is a 2 or 3 which is interchangeable in Woodson’s system. He played PG during the Northwestern game because all of our real PGs were hurt or suspended. Maybe you didn’t watch till the end, but we actually lost that game to a piss poor opponent.


Woodson clearly doesn’t think Galloway is better than Dennis or McNeil, or he wouldn’t be recruiting them. He’s made it a priority to upgrade the wings (hint: the 2 and 3) this off-season because we were so shit there last year.

I can’t wait to hear about your basketball accomplishments. 2 year starter at a 1A high school? Congrats big man!

 

[Cavanagh]

I don't have a say in this fight, but I do wanna give a little pushback to the "if you played or coached you know the game better" mentality.

I know a 40 year old that currently coaches HS in Indiana, was also a HS Allstar, has a plaque up at his HS, played D1 ball.... I would be able to out coach him tomorrow. I would bet my life on it, I couldn't make my 7th grade team.

 

[IUNorth]

I don't have a say in this fight, but I do wanna give a little pushback to the "if you played or coached you know the game better" mentality.

I know a 40 year old that currently coaches HS in Indiana, was also a HS Allstar, has a plaque up at his HS, played D1 ball.... I would be able to out coach him tomorrow. I would bet my life on it, I couldn't make my 7th grade team.

There are discussions where that argument applies in some ways. But many where it doesn't. As is the case with nearly all things in life, each case is different. And you certainly don't need to have played ball, to know ball, or to coach ball. There are certain experiences and perspectives that get discussed on here, where having played college basketball gives "us" a better understanding or perspective. But most discussions involving coaching decisions, where the program is headed, etc... People that have played at whatever level, are no better contributors to those discussions than people that haven't.

When discussing actual coaches though...there is a reason why a staggering percentage of HS, College, and Pro coaches have played at least college ball before... there's a level of experiences and commitment to the game that starts to get implied when you've played through college.

 

[Cavanagh]

There are discussions where that argument applies in some ways. But many where it doesn't. As is the case with nearly all things in life, each case is different. And you certainly don't need to have played ball, to know ball, or to coach ball. There are certain experiences and perspectives that get discussed on here, where having played college basketball gives "us" a better understanding or perspective. But most discussions involving coaching decisions, where the program is headed, etc... People that have played at whatever level, are no better contributors to those discussions than people that haven't.

When discussing actual coaches though...there is a reason why a staggering percentage of HS, College, and Pro coaches have played at least college ball before... there's a level of experiences and commitment to the game that starts to get implied when you've played through college.

I know its football, but you are starting to see really smart guys get NFL gigs. I have no idea if these young guys played, but I know they didn't play professionally lol. Sean, Zac Taylor, Shannahan, Matt Lafleur,Brandon Stahley.


Maybe they all played some college ball? They weren't good tho..... I know some jackass is about to post their stats and make me look bad. I feel it

 

[.Gerdis]

Woodson clearly doesn’t think Galloway is better than Dennis or McNeil, or he wouldn’t be recruiting them. He’s made it a priority to upgrade the wings (hint: the 2 and 3) this off-season because we were so shit there last year.

I can’t wait to hear about your basketball accomplishments. 2 year starter at a 1A high school? Congrats big man!

That’s not clear to me at all.

Why do you assume that a coach only recruits a player because he isn’t happy with who he has and the recruit is better?

 

[B1G_Fan]

That’s not clear to me at all.

Why do you assume that a coach only recruits a player because he isn’t happy with who he has and the recruit is better?

Why would he recruit Dennis and McNeil? It's not like they are long term investments. They both only have 1 year remaining.

Woodson has also stated that his offseason goal is to upgrade the wing position.

 

[.Gerdis]

Why would he recruit Dennis and McNeil? It's not like they are long term investments. They both only have 1 year remaining.

Woodson has also stated that his offseason goal is to upgrade the wing position.

As far as wing production, I agree it needs upgrading.

I’m just not going to assume I can read his mind as far as what he is thinking.

last year it was clear that Trey was trusted by our staff, and he would have played much more had he stayed healthy. We losing Parker, those minutes are up for grabs. The offense moved so much better with Galloway on the floor. Whether you want to call him a wing or not, I see him being a trusted contributor as a 2 this year. Most likely a starter.