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If a book like that was in my kids school, there would be a meeting not just with the teacher, but principal as well. I'm not saying it doesn't happen, but I have a hard time believing that these things are happening as often as the right makes them out to be. Much like covid restrictions, should we all of a sudden have restrictions in areas where this isn't a problem just because the GOP says it's a problem or does everyone get the same treatment because the boogeyman is real to a select few.

Also, are you good with DeSantis saying that teaching requirements have been to rigid?
Respectfully, it is because you don't WANT to believe it. Which I get, we all send our kids off to school for 7 hours a day and we place our trust in the schools to do right by them. Nobody wants to think they aren't. However, I could get on here every day and provide you with a new case of this kind of stuff happening all over the country.

If you wait to argue against it until it is in every school, you are already too late.
 
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I took that to mean they wanted affirmation of the kids they wanted to. I apologize for that mistake.

Let me ask, if we want Switzerland, do we want kids to assume all people marry the opposite sex? So if a kid realizes their teacher may have a male partner, a female partner, or no partner, is that something to be happy about? I didn't watch the video as I am sure there are people out there who say stupid things. But for someone who is gay, it might feel good that a child goes from thinking all people pair opposite to the reality that most might, but there are exceptions.

Noodle mentioned knowing teachers that have problems, and I have no doubt. Have we wondered why so few people want to go into teaching? We have had issues with teaching shortages since the 90s. There is much made about a lack of males teaching in primary schools, but that isn't new and existed long before woke. studies seem to indicate men don't consider primary education as being as prestigious and are more concerned with prestige in a job than women. So if how do we up the prestige level to attract more qualified people?
You up the prestige with pay. Again though, I would say that there are things some teachers do on the regular that hurt the entire profession. (Some teachers are among the most vocal public complainers about their job that I can think of...)
 
Count me as highly sceptical that that 20-something teacher on Tik-Tok is accurately representing the law of Tennessee. She contradicts herself a couple of times in her own video. If she actually told her students not to read books in her classroom, though, you are right: she is ridiculous.

As for her outrage about working a Saturday, I have zero sympathy. My wife taught a few years and my mom taught close to 40. I have close friends who currently teach. None, thankfully, is so narcissistic that she would post such a video, attempting to portray themselves a martyr for working a Saturday once in a while.

I also have no sympathy for her outrage that she has to answer to her superiors--including the librarian and the school board--for her book decisions. Again, welcome to the workforce. You're a 20-something public school teacher in Tennessee, not the world's authority on reading, values, or education. You don't know everything and you don't get to make every decision about your job.
Yes, all of this is what I was getting at to Marvin up above. Teachers like her do her entire profession a disservice because many people in the professional class see that complaint and think, "And how is that different from any other job you couldn't just walk into and fill out an application for these days?"
 
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You up the prestige with pay. Again though, I would say that there are things some teachers do on the regular that hurt the entire profession. (Some teachers are among the most vocal public complainers about their job that I can think of...)
A few ideas:

You up the pay for new hires, not old ones, unless they want to reapply under new, heightened standards. You also have to apply, real measurable accountability for performance.

You also make teaching a full-time profession. No more months off for summer vacation. They train full-time during the time the kids are not in school and they abide by a canon of ethics (including no political indoctrination of any kind--left or right or religious--in schools).

Quite honestly, at the higher levels (8-12), it might go the other way. With technology today, there is no reason you can't just cull the best of the best lecturers, content creators, test makers, etc. in each subject and have them make really great, exciting TED-talk like presentations to be used throughout the country. These super stars would be paid like highly paid entertainers.

Local teachers, then, would be more like TAs that guide discussions, grade papers, and answer questions (what most mid-level teachers are doing now anyway) and paid less. You could use the same content and still track kids but then have the TA/local teachers specialize in learning how to supplement just one or two types of learners and see gains from specialization.

I don't think this second structure works for K-7 or 8, though.
 
You up the prestige with pay. Again though, I would say that there are things some teachers do on the regular that hurt the entire profession. (Some teachers are among the most vocal public complainers about their job that I can think of...)

I don't have any issues with upping the pay and upping the requirements to be a teacher. I think we need to do this with the police, in Japan it takes two full years at a police academy to become an officer and we need something like that. So maybe we can up the requirements to be a teacher, and pay them to make people want to do it. There is no reason the best and brightest shouldn't want to teach.

In America, we seem to be going the other way. Yep, I am picking on Florida with their "any military member or their spouse can become a teacher" program. Not exactly upping the ante on qualifications.
 
I don't have any issues with upping the pay and upping the requirements to be a teacher. I think we need to do this with the police, in Japan it takes two full years at a police academy to become an officer and we need something like that. So maybe we can up the requirements to be a teacher, and pay them to make people want to do it. There is no reason the best and brightest shouldn't want to teach.

In America, we seem to be going the other way. Yep, I am picking on Florida with their "any military member or their spouse can become a teacher" program. Not exactly upping the ante on qualifications.
Not to derail this but agreeing with you and same can be said for our new IRS agents as well.
 
Respectfully, it is because you don't WANT to believe it. Which I get, we all send our kids off to school for 7 hours a day and we place our trust in the schools to do right by them. Nobody wants to think they aren't. However, I could get on here every day and provide you with a new case of this kind of stuff happening all over the country.

If you wait to argue against it until it is in every school, you are already too late.

You are one of those boogeyman is going to get everyone.

I've got a 16 and 9 year old. I've also got a 21 year old. I've lived in Fort Wayne and now Dekalb County. We've had all walks of life as far as teachers. For you to sit there and say that this is going to be in every school is a scare tactic and way overblown and believing all the hype. At some point, you have to have faith that we do have solid teachers in our communities that will do right for our kids.

My 21 year old turned out just fine. My 16 year old is just fine. My 9 year old loves school and all her teachers, who I have faith want to teach what she needs to know to get ready for 5th grade. We need to have faith that our teachers are going to prepare our kids to thrive at the next level. If not, why do you have your kids in that school system in the first place?

I noticed you didn't answer if we should use the same restrictions like we did covid.

I also noticed you didn't answer whether you were okay with what DeSantis said.
 
Count me as highly sceptical that that 20-something teacher on Tik-Tok is accurately representing the law of Tennessee. She contradicts herself a couple of times in her own video. If she actually told her students not to read books in her classroom, though, you are right: she is ridiculous.

As for her outrage about working a Saturday, I have zero sympathy. My wife taught a few years and my mom taught close to 40. I have close friends who currently teach. None, thankfully, is so narcissistic that she would post such a video, attempting to portray themselves a martyr for working a Saturday once in a while.

I also have no sympathy for her outrage that she has to answer to her superiors--including the librarian and the school board--for her book decisions. Again, welcome to the workforce. You're a 20-something public school teacher in Tennessee, not the world's authority on reading, values, or education. You don't know everything and you don't get to make every decision about your job.
Normally rational people will suspend logic when it suits their narrative. Every professional works on the weekend from time to time. And every professional is accountable to someone. Maybe she’s not fit to teach.
 
A few ideas:

You up the pay for new hires, not old ones, unless they want to reapply under new, heightened standards. You also have to apply, real measurable accountability for performance.

You also make teaching a full-time profession. No more months off for summer vacation. They train full-time during the time the kids are not in school and they abide by a canon of ethics (including no political indoctrination of any kind--left or right or religious--in schools).

Quite honestly, at the higher levels (8-12), it might go the other way. With technology today, there is no reason you can't just cull the best of the best lecturers, content creators, test makers, etc. in each subject and have them make really great, exciting TED-talk like presentations to be used throughout the country. These super stars would be paid like highly paid entertainers.

Local teachers, then, would be more like TAs that guide discussions, grade papers, and answer questions (what most mid-level teachers are doing now anyway) and paid less. You could use the same content and still track kids but then have the TA/local teachers specialize in learning how to supplement just one or two types of learners and see gains from specialization.

I don't think this second structure works for K-7 or 8, though.
Just one point...are taxpayers ready to foot the bill on converting teacher salaries from 10 month to 12 month? That would be quite a good raise, and probably very much appreciated, since most teachers either work a second job in the summer (and evenings for that matter), or they do teaching-job related things anyway during those "months off for summer vacation), multiplied by the thousands and thousands of teachers in each state.
One more thing...why up the pay for new hires vs. old hires? New hires have no experience, and increasingly less training, and require a lot of professional development. Also, new hires, at least from what I hear, are much more likely to leave the profession at the drop of a hat, struggle with classroom management, and take about 3 or 4 years to perfect any teaching strategies. Meanwhile, their kids are missing out on year of standards. I mean, we are complaining about the minutes lost on teachers doing some SEL...would you want your kid to have a new, inexperienced teacher for 2 or 3 years in a row? I guarantee the loss of academic time would be (is) catastrophic.
 
Count me as highly sceptical that that 20-something teacher on Tik-Tok is accurately representing the law of Tennessee. She contradicts herself a couple of times in her own video. If she actually told her students not to read books in her classroom, though, you are right: she is ridiculous.

As for her outrage about working a Saturday, I have zero sympathy. My wife taught a few years and my mom taught close to 40. I have close friends who currently teach. None, thankfully, is so narcissistic that she would post such a video, attempting to portray themselves a martyr for working a Saturday once in a while.

I also have no sympathy for her outrage that she has to answer to her superiors--including the librarian and the school board--for her book decisions. Again, welcome to the workforce. You're a 20-something public school teacher in Tennessee, not the world's authority on reading, values, or education. You don't know everything and you don't get to make every decision about your job.

If she told her kids they couldn't read because her classroom library hadn't been approved by a) the librarian b) the higher ups or c) the parents, and its now a law, how is she ridiculous for telling a kid they can't read if everything hasn't been approved?

That's not a teacher decision, that's a government decision, which she was following the directive of.

I fail to see how the teacher is being ridiculous here.
 
You are one of those boogeyman is going to get everyone.

I've got a 16 and 9 year old. I've also got a 21 year old. I've lived in Fort Wayne and now Dekalb County. We've had all walks of life as far as teachers. For you to sit there and say that this is going to be in every school is a scare tactic and way overblown and believing all the hype. At some point, you have to have faith that we do have solid teachers in our communities that will do right for our kids.

My 21 year old turned out just fine. My 16 year old is just fine. My 9 year old loves school and all her teachers, who I have faith want to teach what she needs to know to get ready for 5th grade. We need to have faith that our teachers are going to prepare our kids to thrive at the next level. If not, why do you have your kids in that school system in the first place?

I noticed you didn't answer if we should use the same restrictions like we did covid.

I also noticed you didn't answer whether you were okay with what DeSantis said.
To be fair, I do believe that Crazy is experiencing crazy shit in his district, and I have encouraged him to get involved to make his voice heard.
That being said, he then sometimes extrapolates to the teaching profession as a whole, and uses google searches to shore up his argument. It would be like some poster linking every negative story about a GOP politician, then calling out the whole party. Who does that?
Teaching is a complicated profession, from everything I have seen. It's very personal, and not at all like manufacturing widgets. It's hard to quantify good teaching, or bad teaching, for that manner. People go into teaching for a variety of reasons, some good and some bad. High school teachers are a totally different species than elementary teachers. Rural, and even suburban teachers, have no clue what inner city teachers go through...and vice versa. And, tbh, we don't want cookie cutter teachers. Kids should have hardasses, old-schoolers, warm and fuzzies, etc.
Rant over.
 
You are one of those boogeyman is going to get everyone.

I've got a 16 and 9 year old. I've also got a 21 year old. I've lived in Fort Wayne and now Dekalb County. We've had all walks of life as far as teachers. For you to sit there and say that this is going to be in every school is a scare tactic and way overblown and believing all the hype. At some point, you have to have faith that we do have solid teachers in our communities that will do right for our kids.

My 21 year old turned out just fine. My 16 year old is just fine. My 9 year old loves school and all her teachers, who I have faith want to teach what she needs to know to get ready for 5th grade. We need to have faith that our teachers are going to prepare our kids to thrive at the next level. If not, why do you have your kids in that school system in the first place?

I noticed you didn't answer if we should use the same restrictions like we did covid.

I also noticed you didn't answer whether you were okay with what DeSantis said.
^^^This^^^ Sure there are bad teachers, what profession doesn't have bad ones? The great majority of teachers do care, and want their students to succeed.
More times than not, when we are out in public, my wife has a former student come up to her and hug her....maybe i am surrounded by the good ones.
 
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To be fair, I do believe that Crazy is experiencing crazy shit in his district, and I have encouraged him to get involved to make his voice heard.
That being said, he then sometimes extrapolates to the teaching profession as a whole, and uses google searches to shore up his argument. It would be like some poster linking every negative story about a GOP politician, then calling out the whole party. Who does that?
Teaching is a complicated profession, from everything I have seen. It's very personal, and not at all like manufacturing widgets. It's hard to quantify good teaching, or bad teaching, for that manner. People go into teaching for a variety of reasons, some good and some bad. High school teachers are a totally different species than elementary teachers. Rural, and even suburban teachers, have no clue what inner city teachers go through...and vice versa. And, tbh, we don't want cookie cutter teachers. Kids should have hardasses, old-schoolers, warm and fuzzies, etc.
Rant over.

I agree 100%.

That's why I asked the covid restrictions question to him. Should everyone get the same treatment or should those who have problems get treated with harsher hands.

I know there are teachers out there with there own agenda, but I think they are far and few between.

With the US having teacher shortages, making it harder for teachers isn't the way to go, IMO. We aren't attracting new hires by always vilifying them. Who in there right mind would want to go into the profession. We have active congressman saying the requirements have been to rigid to become one. That would be a kick in the gut if I was a teacher in Florida to think that to become a teacher in Florida was to difficult.

We have to have faith in teachers. I feel like that's slowly going away, and it's going to be harder to get it back.
 
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If she told her kids they couldn't read because her classroom library hadn't been approved by a) the librarian b) the higher ups or c) the parents, and its now a law, how is she ridiculous for telling a kid they can't read if everything hasn't been approved?

That's not a teacher decision, that's a government decision, which she was following the directive of.

I fail to see how the teacher is being ridiculous here.
Because she's not accurately representing what the law requires. Do you honestly believe Tennessee passed a law banning reading of any material before prior approval of all those layers as she suggests?

The law requires librarians to catalogue all books in their school and make that information available to the public. It requires each librarian to review books for age appropriateness and for school boards to design a system to also set forth their own standards for age appropriateness. if someone objects (a parent, no doubt), he or she can ask the school board to review it to see if it meets community standards. How is that unreasonable?

Here's the law. Note nothing in the law here says kids "can't read" anything not yet documented:

 
Because she's not accurately representing what the law requires. Do you honestly believe Tennessee passed a law banning reading of any material before prior approval of all those layers as she suggests?

The law requires librarians to catalogue all books in their school and make that information available to the public. It requires each librarian to review books for age appropriateness and for school boards to design a system to also set forth their own standards for age appropriateness. if someone objects (a parent, no doubt), he or she can ask the school board to review it to see if it meets community standards. How is that unreasonable?

Here's the law. Note nothing in the law here says kids "can't read" anything not yet documented:


I read it.

If her library isn't documented and not approved, how then would she be up to par with the law? By allowing her kids to read unapproved books, books that would be approved by both the school board and parents, wouldn't that be going against the trust of both the school board and parents?

She can't skirt the law just because she doesn't agree with it.
 
One side is fighting hard to convince us teachers and school districts are not focusing on sex and race in school. But at the same time they argue that if it is happening it's not a big deal. Very convenient to have it both way.

In reality, we see examples of teacher's clearly trying to indoctrinate children. There are more than a few examples where they have admitted it freely on video. Someone mentioned Libs of TikTok but all they do is re-post what these radicals have already posted. They willingly admit to grooming children and doing all they can to keep it hidden from parents.

As a parent, I don't feel the need to debate the matter. I refuse to sacrifice my children on the altar of political correctness or to the alphabet mafia. Fact is, outside of school most parents wouldn't leave their children alone with these purple, pink, and green haired freaks for five minutes. So why would they permit it at school? No thanks. There are options. I work hard to make sure I can take advantage of those options where I can protect the most valuable people in my life from the disgusting degenerates that too many on here are trying to promote. Groomers be grooming.
 
One side is fighting hard to convince us teachers and school districts are not focusing on sex and race in school. But at the same time they argue that if it is happening it's not a big deal. Very convenient to have it both way.

In reality, we see examples of teacher's clearly trying to indoctrinate children. There are more than a few examples where they have admitted it freely on video. Someone mentioned Libs of TikTok but all they do is re-post what these radicals have already posted. They willingly admit to grooming children and doing all they can to keep it hidden from parents.

As a parent, I don't feel the need to debate the matter. I refuse to sacrifice my children on the altar of political correctness or to the alphabet mafia. Fact is, outside of school most parents wouldn't leave their children alone with these purple, pink, and green haired freaks for five minutes. So why would they permit it at school? No thanks. There are options. I work hard to make sure I can take advantage of those options where I can protect the most valuable people in my life from the disgusting degenerates that too many on here are trying to promote. Groomers be grooming.
So, home school?
 
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One side is fighting hard to convince us teachers and school districts are not focusing on sex and race in school. But at the same time they argue that if it is happening it's not a big deal. Very convenient to have it both way.

In reality, we see examples of teacher's clearly trying to indoctrinate children. There are more than a few examples where they have admitted it freely on video. Someone mentioned Libs of TikTok but all they do is re-post what these radicals have already posted. They willingly admit to grooming children and doing all they can to keep it hidden from parents.

As a parent, I don't feel the need to debate the matter. I refuse to sacrifice my children on the altar of political correctness or to the alphabet mafia. Fact is, outside of school most parents wouldn't leave their children alone with these purple, pink, and green haired freaks for five minutes. So why would they permit it at school? No thanks. There are options. I work hard to make sure I can take advantage of those options where I can protect the most valuable people in my life from the disgusting degenerates that too many on here are trying to promote. Groomers be grooming.
One side is fighting hard to convince us everything is wrong in the school system, and teachers are the anti-christ. But they drop their kids off at school, and their kids are perfectly fine....and when they ask how school was, the kid answers "fine"
 
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I read it.

If her library isn't documented and not approved, how then would she be up to par with the law? By allowing her kids to read unapproved books, books that would be approved by both the school board and parents, wouldn't that be going against the trust of both the school board and parents?

She can't skirt the law just because she doesn't agree with it.
Nothing in the law calls for prior approval of a book by ANYONE before a child can read it. If you can find that in the law, please quote it. The law says the books must be documented. It says nothing about a child not being able to read an undocumented book:

49-6-3803. Materials review; removal. (a) Beginning with the 2022-2023 school year, each school operated by an LEA and each public charter school shall maintain a current list of the materials in the school's library collection. The list must be posted on the school's website.

Seriously, what is unreasonable about the above statute? Do you really object to schools being required to "maintain a current list of materials in the school's library collection" or that "the list must be posted on the school's website?"

Maybe you are objecting to the timing of the law and that it didn't give teachers enough time to document their own classroom libraries? But doesn't that highlight the point being complained about by IUCrazy--that parents don't even know what materials their children are being exposed to and have the right to know?
 
One side is fighting hard to convince us everything is wrong in the school system, and teachers are the anti-christ. But they drop their kids off at school, and their kids are perfectly fine....and when they ask how school was, the kid answers "fine"
I did not say everything but there is more than enough evidence to show there is a real problem going on in schools. The fact children are told to hide things from their parents makes your "fine" comment laughable. ANY teacher that suggests a child should lie or hide things from their parents should be fired immediately. If you defend those actions you're part of the problem.
 
Nothing in the law calls for prior approval of a book by ANYONE before a child can read it. If you can find that in the law, please quote it. The law says the books must be documented. It says nothing about a child not being able to read an undocumented book:

49-6-3803. Materials review; removal. (a) Beginning with the 2022-2023 school year, each school operated by an LEA and each public charter school shall maintain a current list of the materials in the school's library collection. The list must be posted on the school's website.

Seriously, what is unreasonable about the above statute? Do you really object to schools being required to "maintain a current list of materials in the school's library collection" or that "the list must be posted on the school's website?"

Maybe you are objecting to the timing of the law and that it didn't give teachers enough time to document their own classroom libraries? But doesn't that highlight the point being complained about by IUCrazy--that parents don't even know what materials their children are being exposed to and have the right to know?

So the school system wants all the books to be documented, but it's okay for kids to read undocumented books in the school libraries/classrooms.... what exactly is the purpose of the law then other then to say they are doing something just to do something?

Do you see how that sounds absolutely ridiculous?
 
I did not say everything but there is more than enough evidence to show there is a real problem going on in schools. The fact children are told to hide things from their parents makes your "fine" comment laughable. ANY teacher that suggests a child should lie or hide things from their parents should be fired immediately. If you defend those actions you're part of the problem.
No one on here is defending those actions. That's just your straw man talking.
 
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I agree 100%.

That's why I asked the covid restrictions question to him. Should everyone get the same treatment or should those who have problems get treated with harsher hands.

I know there are teachers out there with there own agenda, but I think they are far and few between.

With the US having teacher shortages, making it harder for teachers isn't the way to go, IMO. We aren't attracting new hires by always vilifying them. Who in there right mind would want to go into the profession. We have active congressman saying the requirements have been to rigid to become one. That would be a kick in the gut if I was a teacher in Florida to think that to become a teacher in Florida was to difficult.

We have to have faith in teachers. I feel like that's slowly going away, and it's going to be harder to get it back.
I did not answer the DeSantis question because I don't know the proposal and the quote is not enough to go on for me. Some places require you to have a teaching degree to teach. Do I think that is necessary? Not necessarily. Someone who has a doctorate in U.S. History could be given a look as a social studies teacher. I don't think that an education degree is the end all and be all.

As far as your COVID analogy, I am not sure what you were trying to get at but in some cases, yes, I think there should be controls that are put in place that catch and correct improper teaching ahead of time. You don't have to be reactive to that.

Finally, you anecdotally said you are happy with the teachers your kids have had. I have been happy (to a degree) with the vast majority of teachers my children have had too. However, there are things going on with some they have had and others in the school (and administration) that I am not happy with. Be glad your 16 year old hasn't had to sit through an orientation covering microaggressions the first week of school and had it explained to him/her why saying something as innocuous as "you guys" could land you at the principals office to have your word crime re-educated our of you. And you are basing your opinions on Ft. Wayne (I grew up there) and Dekalb (have half my family from there) and trying to extrapolate that experience to the rest of the country. Respectfully, you will be among the last to see this stuff roll through. In fact 2021 was the inaugural year for FWCS:


You are just now getting the smiling face of the program where everyone is celebrating everyone else and who could be against this. Let's talk in another 5-10 years because that is about how far FWCS is behind my area of the state for this. Talk to @BradStevens because I think his area is even further down the line than mine. They wrap the poison in candy when they feed it to you. You have to dig. The FWCS is partnered with United Front and when you dig into their very sparse website you come across this page:


"Through our recorded sessions, participants and organizations will be introduced to the concept of Shared Humanity. They will have the opportunity to view 12 recorded keynotes and engage in dialogue through case studies and discussion questions. Covered topics are:

  • Implicit Bias & Microaggressions
  • Stress of Minorities
  • Allyship & Active Bystander
  • Difficult Conversations"
Let the nose under the tent and the whole camel always follows. Always.

(But Crazy, who could be against teaching kids not to be hateful based on race or this or that characteristic? Nobody, but again, I have seen this show before and it doesn't end there. Too much money to be made for these DEI consultants for them not to push for more and too many receptive activists in the school who want to push more.)
 
No one on here is defending those actions. That's just your straw man talking.
You're a joke. This whole thread is full of straw man accusations by your groomer pals. My guess is you have no kids or you're ancient and have no clue what's going on in schools today. Otherwise, you would call out schools/teachers who prey on children and attack parents at the same time.
 
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One side is fighting hard to convince us teachers and school districts are not focusing on sex and race in school. But at the same time they argue that if it is happening it's not a big deal. Very convenient to have it both way.

In reality, we see examples of teacher's clearly trying to indoctrinate children. There are more than a few examples where they have admitted it freely on video. Someone mentioned Libs of TikTok but all they do is re-post what these radicals have already posted. They willingly admit to grooming children and doing all they can to keep it hidden from parents.

As a parent, I don't feel the need to debate the matter. I refuse to sacrifice my children on the altar of political correctness or to the alphabet mafia. Fact is, outside of school most parents wouldn't leave their children alone with these purple, pink, and green haired freaks for five minutes. So why would they permit it at school? No thanks. There are options. I work hard to make sure I can take advantage of those options where I can protect the most valuable people in my life from the disgusting degenerates that too many on here are trying to promote. Groomers be grooming.
"They are my kids. I get to decide how they are indoctrinated."
 
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Let's take your personal experience and explore two scenarios

1) To teach students how butter is made, your female teacher brings in her male husband to show how butter is made. She doesn't introduce him as her husband, but when a student asks, she discloses their relationship.

2) To teach students how butter is made, your female teacher brings in her female life partner to show how butter is made. She doesn't introduce her as her life partner, but when a student asks, she discloses their relationship.

Are both OK?

Is the first OK and the second is "indoctrination"

Are both not OK?
Bumping this question again, for ANYONE to answer.

The reality is that a few teachers are LGBTQ. As always, most of them hide that aspect of their lives, certainly in the school setting. Probably a few more than in the past are more open to quitting the act of pretending to be straight, if asked.

Most references to a gay partner, for example, are probably casual and no more detailed than a reference to an opposite sex partner. (Yes, my partner and I went to the state fair on Saturday, for example). But NOBODY gets upset at the mention of an opposite sex partner. The same type of reference, but to a same sex partner, causes all hell to break loose. Indoctrination! Grooming! A coming apocalypse!
 
You're a joke. This whole thread is full of straw man accusations by your groomer pals. My guess is you have no kids or you're ancient and have no clue what's going on in schools today. Otherwise, you would call out schools/teachers who prey on children and attack parents at the same time.
You don't know shit about me...or anything else, it seems. You're just an ignorant, angry, embittered victim who wants to blame everyone else. Unfortunately, you have decided not to cut the internet to your compound. Now that Alex Jones is out of commission, there is an opening for a right wing conspiracy hate podcast though, and an audience for it. Go get 'em, tiger.
 
Bumping this question again, for ANYONE to answer.

The reality is that a few teachers are LGBTQ. As always, most of them hide that aspect of their lives, certainly in the school setting. Probably a few more than in the past are more open to quitting the act of pretending to be straight, if asked.

Most references to a gay partner, for example, are probably casual and no more detailed than a reference to an opposite sex partner. (Yes, my partner and I went to the state fair on Saturday, for example). But NOBODY gets upset at the mention of an opposite sex partner. The same type of reference, but to a same sex partner, causes all hell to break loose. Indoctrination! Grooming! A coming apocalypse!
These are just ramblings. What’s your point? Nobody should care if a teacher is gay. We just don’t want a room decorated with insane amounts of Pride stuff or BLM or MAGA propaganda.
 
One side is fighting hard to convince us teachers and school districts are not focusing on sex and race in school. But at the same time they argue that if it is happening it's not a big deal. Very convenient to have it both way.

In reality, we see examples of teacher's clearly trying to indoctrinate children. There are more than a few examples where they have admitted it freely on video. Someone mentioned Libs of TikTok but all they do is re-post what these radicals have already posted. They willingly admit to grooming children and doing all they can to keep it hidden from parents.

As a parent, I don't feel the need to debate the matter. I refuse to sacrifice my children on the altar of political correctness or to the alphabet mafia. Fact is, outside of school most parents wouldn't leave their children alone with these purple, pink, and green haired freaks for five minutes. So why would they permit it at school? No thanks. There are options. I work hard to make sure I can take advantage of those options where I can protect the most valuable people in my life from the disgusting degenerates that too many on here are trying to promote. Groomers be grooming.
Take it easy man. This rhetoric doesn’t advance the conversation.
 
You don't know shit about me...or anything else, it seems. You're just an ignorant, angry, embittered victim who wants to blame everyone else. Unfortunately, you have decided not to cut the internet to your compound. Now that Alex Jones is out of commission, there is an opening for a right wing conspiracy hate podcast though, and an audience for it. Go get 'em, tiger.
There's so much subtext with this current war against public education from the right.

One is there is a strong narrative being pushed by right wing leaders and media towards charter schools and how they want them funded like public schools. That seemed to me like a good old fashioned conservative argument involving school choice (which is good and I tend to agree with) along with grift/greed (which is bad) and a sprinkle of, let's say less diversity (which is bad and driven by old school fears).

What's interesting is when you look at demographics, the actual uneducated strongly identify with current Republican party. Higher educated tend to lean liberal right now. That has always cracked me up in this culture war because it's republicans who are trying to tell us how bad our education system is.

It's similar to wanna be Facebook experts who believe they know more than scientists who have dedicated their lives to a field because they don't agree with what the science community is saying. It's the Dunning Kruger effect (which is why your 'so, home schooled' point made me laugh).

I've attributed this recent fight coming from a justification for why higher educated people are not conservative these days.

Instead of looking inward and pondering that the further the party moves right the crazier our justification has to get to fit into our current society and it's beliefs (conservative thinking very rarely survives history, particularly conservative sociology, particularly as people are better informed and educated. So turning more conservative is really going against the grain)....it's much easier to say it's a deep state conspiracy and that the liberal school system is simply brainwashing kids.

'If the school system in general wasn't liberal than more people would be like us. We're correct in our thinking and if you don't agree, you must have been indoctrinated by the evil school system!'

No, your current platform is simply a little too conservative and too reliant on the rules and worldview from some book written by dudes thousands of years ago compared to decades of scientific progress and understanding using the scientific method of discovery and proof.

Wait I forgot, the scientific community is controlled by the deep state and they aren't as intelligent as they think they are. I know more about nuclear fusion than they do based off of some articles I read on Facebook.

As are the doctors, the virologists, astronomers, etc.... basically every science driven field is an arm of the libs controlled by Bill Gates, George Soros and the new world order.

The left pauses and goes....umm okay, were you home schooled?
 
These are just ramblings. What’s your point? Nobody should care if a teacher is gay. We just don’t want a room decorated with insane amounts of Pride stuff or BLM or MAGA propaganda.
The point is that teachers have been fired for merely MENTIONING the existence of a same sex partner.
 
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