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It isn't in schools

Bumping this question again, for ANYONE to answer.

The reality is that a few teachers are LGBTQ. As always, most of them hide that aspect of their lives, certainly in the school setting. Probably a few more than in the past are more open to quitting the act of pretending to be straight, if asked.

Most references to a gay partner, for example, are probably casual and no more detailed than a reference to an opposite sex partner. (Yes, my partner and I went to the state fair on Saturday, for example). But NOBODY gets upset at the mention of an opposite sex partner. The same type of reference, but to a same sex partner, causes all hell to break loose. Indoctrination! Grooming! A coming apocalypse!
I am looking for a video I saw a few weeks back that would show inappropriate heterosexual talk from a teacher....if I find I will post, but basically it was a 20 something teacher talking to her class about something like "OMG, he did not call me like he was supposed to last night" young class reacts like "Oh no!" And she goes on to ramble about her relationship like she is gossiping with her sorority pals.

I went years in school and I could probably count on my fingers how many times a teacher's spouse came up. It just wasn't something that got brought up often.
 
I am looking for a video I saw a few weeks back that would show inappropriate heterosexual talk from a teacher....if I find I will post, but basically it was a 20 something teacher talking to her class about something like "OMG, he did not call me like he was supposed to last night" young class reacts like "Oh no!" And she goes on to ramble about her relationship like she is gossiping with her sorority pals.

I went years in school and I could probably count on my fingers how many times a teacher's spouse came up. It just wasn't something that got brought up often.
You obviously didn't go to Center Grove High School. Hell, several of those teachers were swingers with each other, and even the students...and all the students knew it. At least 2 coaches I know ended up marrying athletes they coached soon after graduation.
 
You obviously didn't go to Center Grove High School. Hell, several of those teachers were swingers with each other, and even the students...and all the students knew it. At least 2 coaches I know ended up marrying athletes they coached soon after graduation.
Yeah, that is obviously wildly inappropriate.
 
I went years in school and I could probably count on my fingers how many times a teacher's spouse came up. It just wasn't something that got brought up often.
Maybe I was lucky, but I can't remember any teacher I had who shared inappropriate personal information the entire time I went through the public school system, with one minor exception: I had a coach in high school who found ways to inappropriately share his devout faith with the team.

My second grade teacher changed her name at the beginning of the year, and had a bulge in her belly at the end, so she couldn't really hide her big personal life events. My fifth grade teacher had students over once a year for a BBQ, so we met his wife and kids. I did have a science teacher in middle school who talked about his wife all the time, but it was part of a schtick, and I'm not sure if he was even really married (he always talked about how fat his wife was, and he had a picture of a gorilla on the wall that he said was her, but in truth he was the one who was extremely obese, and this, I suppose, was the joke - the fat guy who couldn't see that he was really talking about himself). Both our German teacher and speech teacher in high school are very friendly with former students, but these are friendly relationships that developed after graduation, and grew out of what were appropriate and valued teacher-pupil relationships while we were there. I didn't know a single thing about either of their personal lives until I friended them on FB many years after I left high school.

If we really have an epidemic of teachers who are sharing their personal lives with students, that's an educational context with which I am totally unfamiliar, and I imagine that's the same for many of us.
 
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Maybe I was lucky, but I can't remember any teacher I had to shared inappropriate personal information the entire time I went through the public school system, with one minor exception: I had a coach in high school who found ways to inappropriately share his devout faith with the team.

My second grade teacher changed her name at the beginning of the year, and had a bulge in her belly at the end, so she couldn't really hide her big personal life events. My fifth grade teacher had students over once a year for a BBQ, so we met his wife and kids. I did have a science teacher in middle school who talked about his wife all the time, but it was part of a schtick, and I'm not sure if he was even really married (he always talked about how fat his wife was, and he had a picture of a gorilla on the wall that he said was her, but in truth he was the one who was extremely obese, and this, I suppose, was the joke - the fat guy who couldn't see that he was really talking about himself). Both our German teacher and speech teacher in high school are very friendly with former students, but these are friendly relationships that developed after graduation, and grew out of what were appropriate and valued teacher-pupil relationships while we were there. I didn't know a single thing about either of their personal lives until I friended them on FB many years after I left high school.

If we really have an epidemic of teachers who are sharing their personal lives with students, that's an educational context with which I am totally unfamiliar, and I imagine that's the same for many of us.

The times I can think of were teachers that were married to each other. I also recall a music teacher who's wife helped with a pageant.

But in real small towns, I bet kids know the teachers from outside school.
 
If we really have an epidemic of teachers who are sharing their personal lives with students, that's an educational context with which I am totally unfamiliar, and I imagine that's the same for many of us.

Many of my grade school teachers talked about their spouses on a daily basis.
The nuns, all were married to Christ.
That's how I learned Jesus was a Mormon.
 
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So the school system wants all the books to be documented, but it's okay for kids to read undocumented books in the school libraries/classrooms.... what exactly is the purpose of the law then other then to say they are doing something just to do something?

Do you see how that sounds absolutely ridiculous?
No. I don't think it sounds "absolutely ridiculous" to (1) document all the books in the school available to children, and (2) tell parents what those books are. In fact, I think its "absolutely ridiculous" NOT to do those two things.

The very reasonable purposes of this law are this: (1) to have school librarians actually review all content for age appropriateness; (2) ensure school systems have a procedure to do such a review and to create a system by which parents can object to books that they think aren't age appropriate; and (3) provide transparency to parents and tax payers as to what books are being used to teach. NOTHING in this process, the law, or the purposes states that in the interim process of documentation, a book may not be read by a student.

Do you object to any of those purposes?

If some teacher is fired, disciplined, or criminally indicted for being a little late in documenting her books or for letting a kid read a completely age-appropriate book in her class when it was not documented, let us know. In fact, if you'd like to place a wager, I'd bet a hefty sum that will never happen. Obviously, intent to hide books or sneak in a book or any trouble that might result would be context dependent, with people in the very beginning getting some leeway, as every reasonable person understands. This teacher is not one of those reasonable people.
 
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Maybe I was lucky, but I can't remember any teacher I had who shared inappropriate personal information the entire time I went through the public school system, with one minor exception: I had a coach in high school who found ways to inappropriately share his devout faith with the team.

My second grade teacher changed her name at the beginning of the year, and had a bulge in her belly at the end, so she couldn't really hide her big personal life events. My fifth grade teacher had students over once a year for a BBQ, so we met his wife and kids. I did have a science teacher in middle school who talked about his wife all the time, but it was part of a schtick, and I'm not sure if he was even really married (he always talked about how fat his wife was, and he had a picture of a gorilla on the wall that he said was her, but in truth he was the one who was extremely obese, and this, I suppose, was the joke - the fat guy who couldn't see that he was really talking about himself). Both our German teacher and speech teacher in high school are very friendly with former students, but these are friendly relationships that developed after graduation, and grew out of what were appropriate and valued teacher-pupil relationships while we were there. I didn't know a single thing about either of their personal lives until I friended them on FB many years after I left high school.

If we really have an epidemic of teachers who are sharing their personal lives with students, that's an educational context with which I am totally unfamiliar, and I imagine that's the same for many of us.
I think part of it is social media and teachers now (at least in my area) seem to skew quite a bit younger than what I remember in school, so they are the demographic sharing more.

I shared a similar experience to you, I can remember my 3rd grade teacher's name changed over the summer. In middle school some of the girls found out one of the guy teachers was engaged to a substitute (they all had a crush on him), but he never gave any of them the time of day and he always deflected if someone asked about it.

Those are the only 2 I really remember.

Edit to add: we had a super similar experience because you and I grew up in the same time and place (literally high school rivals IIRC). I can tell you that while some things are the same, our Xennial experience at school is quite a bit different in other ways than what my kids have now.
 
Google "lesbian teacher fired" and "gay teacher fired" and you can find dozens of examples. Granted, many if not most are private schools, but examples in public schools are not at all uncommon.

A few examples off the top of my 30 seconds of searches:

This Florida teacher married a woman. Now she’s not a teacher anymore.​



 
Google "lesbian teacher fired" and "gay teacher fired" and you can find dozens of examples. Granted, many if not most are private schools, but examples in public schools are not at all uncommon.

A few examples off the top of my 30 seconds of searches:

This Florida teacher married a woman. Now she’s not a teacher anymore.​



In the spirit of this thread, this isn't happening everywhere and you are just cherry picking a few incidents in one state.
 
It has happened in Catholic schools, I think Roncalli? In the Indy area fired a lesbian administrator who came out publically, but there is a different standard there than a public school.
Looks like it is a private Catholic schools. They have conditions and nobody should be surprised by this, especially someone working there. This seems to be a few years old now. What I read is they were not immediately fired but put on administrative leave until their contract ended and then fired after the contract ended. I take that to mean they were getting paid the whole time.

Are we supposed to be shocked that a Catholic school requires their employees to follow their doctrine? My guess is if this was a private Muslim school and they fired a lesbian it would not make the news for a day. Why? Because nobody would ever expect Muslims to hire gay employees. But because it is a Christian organization it must be made into a martyr situation that gets a lot of publicity.
 
...and also in public schools. I gave 3 links. There are many more.

Just because you win a lawsuit to reverse a wrong, it doesn't mean that you were not wronged in the first place.
In the context of the argument you and many others have been making against my point and the points of others like Ranger, this is an extremely interesting argument you are attempting to put forth.
 
Just because you win a lawsuit to reverse a wrong, it doesn't mean that you were not wronged in the first place.
What twisted pretzel logic is that? People are wronged daily. They don’t always get justice.

I also highly doubt a story when we’re only hearing one side. Oh just because Bailey says she was fired simply for showing a picture you buy it hook, line and sinker?
 
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In the context of the argument you and many others have been making against my point and the points of others like Ranger, this is an extremely interesting argument you are attempting to put forth.
I merely gave supporting links in response to an allegation that there have been no cases where teachers have been fired for being gay. I'm not trying to pull a fast one.

Then the allegation was backtracked to "well, not in public schools, anyway"

Then the allegation was further backtracked, apparently, to "well, if it ever happened, it was reversed, and so all is well".

Impressive goal post moving. But the discussion was not about the legal outcomes but simply rather whether or not teachers have been fired for being gay. They have been. If I am a male teacher and casually let it be known that I have a wife, all is good. If I am a male teacher and casually let it be known that I have a husband, all hell might break loose.
 
...and also in public schools. I gave 3 links. There are many more.

I merely gave supporting links in response to an allegation that there have been no cases where teachers have been fired for being gay. I'm not trying to pull a fast one.

Then the allegation was backtracked to "well, not in public schools, anyway"

Then the allegation was further backtracked, apparently, to "well, if it ever happened, it was reversed, and so all is well".

Impressive goal post moving. But the discussion was not about the legal outcomes but simply rather whether or not teachers have been fired for being gay. They have been. If I am a male teacher and casually let it be known that I have a wife, all is good. If I am a male teacher and casually let it be known that I have a husband, all hell might break loos
The question is, did any of your examples provide the background of why they were fired? Did the teacher's action go directly against school and/or district policy? Public schools are pretty clear on what can and cannot be discussed, distributed, promoted in the class room. If someone directly violates the policy, again there should be no surprise.

What I am not seeing are examples where a public school teacher was unjustly fired and it was proven in court.
 
You obviously didn't go to Center Grove High School. Hell, several of those teachers were swingers with each other, and even the students...and all the students knew it. At least 2 coaches I know ended up marrying athletes they coached soon after graduation.
That's absolutely disgusting and awful. Where exactly is this school?
 
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What I am not seeing are examples where a public school teacher was unjustly fired and it was proven in court.
Are you seeing where a Texas public school teacher was suspended indefinitely without pay for showing her students a photo of her then-fiancé,

a teacher who had twice won Teacher of the Year awards at Charlotte Anderson Elementary School in Arlington, Texas,

a teacher who then filed a discrimination lawsuit, and won the case in court?

Yes, I linked that one. Why are you not "seeing it"?
 
Are you seeing where a Texas public school teacher was suspended indefinitely without pay for showing her students a photo of her then-fiancé,

a teacher who had twice won Teacher of the Year awards at Charlotte Anderson Elementary School in Arlington, Texas,

a teacher who then filed a discrimination lawsuit, and won the case in court?

Yes, I linked that one. Why are you not "seeing it"?

Suspended is not fired. Administrative leave again (meaning paid). Looks like they settled with the teacher and the school did not admit guilt and said it was not about showing a picture to students. So, this one example seems to show that if a discrimination takes place it can clearly be addressed. My guess is there are a lot more examples of teachers being forced out of schools for conservative beliefs, or in some cases just using grades to measure performance, especially at the college level.
 
That's absolutely disgusting and awful. Where exactly is this school?
About 2 mile from me....my daughter and son-in-law went there. If that happened they never knew it. It is a pretty good size school so that would be possible. But they graduated over 10 years ago.
 
I don't know who TJD is. And do you happen to know who handles hiring?
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I looked. The guy with counting crows hair. I've watched one IU game in years

Man, you're missing out.

As long as he avoids injury this year, he's going to be top 5 in scoring and rebounding in program history.

Don't know about the counting crows hairstyle refrence.. doesn't really hit.
 
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