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They should have arrested her for interfering. That’s ridiculous. Those are good cops.
It isn't in schools
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Jesus tap dancing christ.
I couldn’t watch all of that because I was losing patience with that cow. I can’t imagine what the officers were thinking.
This is odd to me. Greene County is very republican. You have pockets of liberals with MO State but this is a VERY redneck city/county. It has the Bass pro shop every Bass pro shop and gander mountain wishes it could becomeMaybe they’re in the Springfield MO district. Seriously, these insane trainings that teach straight are no different from hiring the Klan to tell a bunch of black teachers that they are inferior.
If this was required training someone needs to be fired. If it was optional then I’m a big meh.
Radical Gender Theory Comes to the Heartland
Springfield Public Schools, the largest public school district in Missouri, has adopted a radical gender-theory training program that encourages teachers to believe that “gender is a universe” and to affirm sexual identities such as “non-binary,” “pansexual,” and “polyamorous.” Last year, I...www.city-journal.org
on edit: @T.M.P. this is what I define as woke. Teaching about slavery or racism is not woke. “Land acknowledgments” and teaching self-loathing are woke - and I hope this district’s entire board is replaced because they’re going to have the pants sued right off of them.
He & others like him will absolutely not keep their political beliefs out of the classroom. They have shown time and again that it is not enough to be tolerated & accepted, they are compelled to
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Here is what a AP English curriculum looks like at a equity-focused public school. Longest three units with readings listed (I also have the whole thing but can't figure out how to copy and paste it here. If someone could provide advice, I'll post it).
My thoughts: while each of these texts is probably great, the collection of them sure does give the appearance of a curriculum designed to push one particular poltical point of view. One could be forgiven for saying that one goal here is to produce progressive activists (which was, at one point, written into an Illinois bill but was then changed). I don't think public schools should have that as a goal (nor should they be trying to turn out conservative activists or any kind of activists at all). Also remember, this is English. I think we can be confident that the same message is being delivered in history classes and elsewhere, with little balance from other perspectives:
Inaugural address – JFK
Various Commercials, various editorials
Letter from Birmingham Jail – MLK
You want a Confederate monument? My body is a Confederate Monument – Caroline Randal Williams
Excerpts from the 1619 project
Let America be America again – Langston Hughes
This is America – Childish Gambino
The Narrative of the life of Fredrick Douglas
What to the Slave is the Forth of July
Freakonomics
Professor for Women – Virginia Wolfe
Being a man – Paul Theroux
Crazy Nike ad
Always be Optimizing and I Thee Dread Jia Tolentino
Various articles
My thoughts: while each of these texts is probably great, the collection of them sure does give the appearance of a curriculum designed to push one particular poltical point of view. One could be forgiven for saying that one goal here is to produce progressive activists (which was, at one point, written into an Illinois bill but was then changed). I don't think public schools should have that as a goal (nor should they be trying to turn out conservative activists or any kind of activists at all). Also remember, this is English. I think we can be confident that the same message is being delivered in history classes and elsewhere, with little balance from other perspectives:
Unit 1 texts: Education and Intro to course: 6 weeks
- A talk to teachers – James Baldwin
- The Case Against Grades – Alphie Kohn
- Pedagogy of the Oppressed – Paulo Friere
- Why Students Should Choose their own books
Unit 3 Texts: Intro to Rhetoric and Race 8-10 Weeks
Inaugural address – JFK
Various Commercials, various editorials
Letter from Birmingham Jail – MLK
You want a Confederate monument? My body is a Confederate Monument – Caroline Randal Williams
Excerpts from the 1619 project
Let America be America again – Langston Hughes
This is America – Childish Gambino
The Narrative of the life of Fredrick Douglas
What to the Slave is the Forth of July
Unit 6 Texts: Argument continued and concurrent with research 10 Weeks
Freakonomics
Professor for Women – Virginia Wolfe
Being a man – Paul Theroux
Crazy Nike ad
Always be Optimizing and I Thee Dread Jia Tolentino
Various articles
I wouldn't even have an issue with some of those if a counter opinion was being given. But yeah, definitely pushing a narrative.
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More one sidedness. This time in sex ed:
www.chicagotribune.com
“In particular, McClary was troubled that the standards required that by the end of fifth grade, Illinois students should be able to “describe the role hormones play in the physical, social, cognitive, and emotional changes during adolescence and the potential role of hormone blockers on young people who identify as transgender.”
McClary was also alarmed to see a requirement that by the end of fifth grade students should be able to “distinguish between sex assigned at birth and gender identity and explain how they may or may not differ,” as well as “define and explain differences between cisgender, transgender, gender nonbinary, gender expansive, and gender identity” and understand that “gender expression and gender identity exist along a spectrum.”
“For an 11-year-old person, I’m just not OK with that,” McClary said.
Illinois sex ed law puts school districts in center of latest battleground in education culture wars
As the mother of five children, Barrington resident Marsha McClary approved of her hometown school district teaching students about the birds and the bees with what she described as a traditional, …
www.chicagotribune.com
“In particular, McClary was troubled that the standards required that by the end of fifth grade, Illinois students should be able to “describe the role hormones play in the physical, social, cognitive, and emotional changes during adolescence and the potential role of hormone blockers on young people who identify as transgender.”
McClary was also alarmed to see a requirement that by the end of fifth grade students should be able to “distinguish between sex assigned at birth and gender identity and explain how they may or may not differ,” as well as “define and explain differences between cisgender, transgender, gender nonbinary, gender expansive, and gender identity” and understand that “gender expression and gender identity exist along a spectrum.”
“For an 11-year-old person, I’m just not OK with that,” McClary said.
More one sidedness. This time in sex ed:
Illinois sex ed law puts school districts in center of latest battleground in education culture wars
As the mother of five children, Barrington resident Marsha McClary approved of her hometown school district teaching students about the birds and the bees with what she described as a traditional, …
“In particular, McClary was troubled that the standards required that by the end of fifth grade, Illinois students should be able to “describe the role hormones play in the physical, social, cognitive, and emotional changes during adolescence and the potential role of hormone blockers on young people who identify as transgender.”
McClary was also alarmed to see a requirement that by the end of fifth grade students should be able to “distinguish between sex assigned at birth and gender identity and explain how they may or may not differ,” as well as “define and explain differences between cisgender, transgender, gender nonbinary, gender expansive, and gender identity” and understand that “gender expression and gender identity exist along a spectrum.”
“For an 11-year-old person, I’m just not OK with that,” McClary said.
5th grade? BS in my opinion. But not to worry, most will be unable to read the textbooks.
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PrisonMore one sidedness. This time in sex ed:
Illinois sex ed law puts school districts in center of latest battleground in education culture wars
As the mother of five children, Barrington resident Marsha McClary approved of her hometown school district teaching students about the birds and the bees with what she described as a traditional, …
“In particular, McClary was troubled that the standards required that by the end of fifth grade, Illinois students should be able to “describe the role hormones play in the physical, social, cognitive, and emotional changes during adolescence and the potential role of hormone blockers on young people who identify as transgender.”
McClary was also alarmed to see a requirement that by the end of fifth grade students should be able to “distinguish between sex assigned at birth and gender identity and explain how they may or may not differ,” as well as “define and explain differences between cisgender, transgender, gender nonbinary, gender expansive, and gender identity” and understand that “gender expression and gender identity exist along a spectrum.”
“For an 11-year-old person, I’m just not OK with that,” McClary said.
Not just public schools. I am sure she is a victim of "selective editing" though...(eye roll).
Trinity School staffer admits to sneaking political ‘agenda’ into NYC classroom, video shows
“There’s always groups of teachers who want to do these [activist] things but the administration just wouldn’t let us,” Norris says in the clip.
nypost.com
It’s a preschool teacher but I don’t recall reading a more disturbing story.
This is a guy who worked at a preschool posting about being high and masturbating at work. Oh, and he also may have worked after contracting monkey pox.
www.newsweek.com
This is a guy who worked at a preschool posting about being high and masturbating at work. Oh, and he also may have worked after contracting monkey pox.
A Preschool Teacher's Disturbing Social Media Gets Him Barred from Job
After he contracted monkeypox, Marco Antonio Reyes Rojas received thousands of dollars from GoFundMe. Then his "@Sensual_Bottom" account came to light.
www.newsweek.com
I saw they had unveiled that statue. It's shameful and I'm embarrassed for my alma mater.
I appreciate the value of research on sex. But it should be in the dirty book section, where it belongs (that's a joke, son).
Who's Matt Walsh and why should we give a shit what he thinks, particularly since he can't even identify IU correctly?
Way to attack the messenger and not the content.
Hasn't anyone told you what to think about the matter yet?
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I always chuckle to myself when I hear “preschool” and “teacher” together.It’s a preschool teacher but I don’t recall reading a more disturbing story.
This is a guy who worked at a preschool posting about being high and masturbating at work. Oh, and he also may have worked after contracting monkey pox.
A Preschool Teacher's Disturbing Social Media Gets Him Barred from Job
After he contracted monkeypox, Marco Antonio Reyes Rojas received thousands of dollars from GoFundMe. Then his "@Sensual_Bottom" account came to light.
IF, IF 1% of the pedo/incest cited in responses is true the statue should be removed.
IF they are true I will have to reconsider my denial of the existence of hell.
What insight can you provide? Who is Matt Walsh and is he an authoritative source? Was Kinsey, in fact, a "degenerate pedophile lunatic" and a "prolific groomer?"
The Pedophile Left has gone full groomer and if you are ok with this then you are the problem.
New Book: Sex Education for 8-12-Year-Olds: Kids Book for Good Parents,
Here are the "tips" as listed:
New Book: Sex Education for 8-12-Year-Olds: Kids Book for Good Parents,
Here are the "tips" as listed:
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What. The. F*%K?
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">A parent teaches their toddler to tip a drag queen who then performs provocatively for the child <a href="https://t.co/3bwWSZuRDb">pic.twitter.com/3bwWSZuRDb</a></p>— Libs of TikTok (@libsoftiktok) <a href="">September 11, 2022</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">A parent teaches their toddler to tip a drag queen who then performs provocatively for the child <a href="https://t.co/3bwWSZuRDb">pic.twitter.com/3bwWSZuRDb</a></p>— Libs of TikTok (@libsoftiktok) <a href="">September 11, 2022</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
I enjoy the athletic teams, I enjoyed my time at Indiana, I don't give them my money anymore.
This parent is screwed up, that being said, it is their child to mess up in this way. If parents want to take their kids to this crap on their time, whatever. However, I don't want my child being subjected to anything even tangentially related to this in public school.
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There has to be a line drawn between a parent's ability to raise their child and the state's interest in protecting against child abuse. I'm not sure how to draw that line or where this falls.
I agree but I am really reticent to draw too much of a line because of the likely blowback on my POV given the direction of the country currently.
The line is more likely to be drawn that people who are not all on board with the LGBTQ program are the abusers than it is against nutjobs like in the video.
Toilet Bowl you can easily look this crap up but it is interesting you want to argue the point in defense of a pedophile. Birds of a feather I guess.
Not only did Kinsey molest babies he claimed incest and pedophilia benefit children. He was one sick SOB and IU should be ashamed.
No, numbnuts. I'm not defending anyone. You, dmbhoosier and Matt Walsh (whoever the hell that is) have made some extreme claims about the guy. It's up to you to support them. That's how argumentation works.
And if you really believe that shit, why are you on an IU message board? Just a hater of the "University of Indiana?"
Provide support for your claims or shut the hell up.
You are a dumba$$, Toilet Bowl.
"Support your claims". That's rich considering the amount of crap you spew on here morning, noon, and night. Maybe if you signed off from time to time and got a real life you'd be happier.
But here you go... with citations... so you can shut the hell up
How Alford Kinsey's Sex Studies Have Harmed Women and Children
Kinsey was a dirt bag. Seriously, the school went and pulled David Starr Jordan off of everything associated with the University but they are allowing the placement of a statue to an unapologetic child molester. And if you want evidence, Google Kinsey Table 34 and feel free to post your defense of how that data was collected here.
THE University of Indiana.
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I'm completely ignorant on this issue. Here's what I found:
Conjecture of child abuse
In the Kinsey Reports are data concerning pre-adolescent orgasms. Particularly controversial are tables 30 through 34 of the male volume. For example, table 34 is, "Examples of multiple orgasm in pre-adolescent males. Some instances of higher frequencies." A typical entry indicates that a certain 7 year-old had seven orgasms in a three hour time period. Kinsey's critics state that data such as these could have only been obtained by direct observation of or participation in child abuse. In particular they point to the information given in table 32, "Speed of pre-adolescent orgasm; Duration of stimulation before climax; Observations timed with second hand or stop watch," and say that the only way such precise data could have been collected was through cooperation with child molesters.The Kinsey institute states unequivocally on its website, "[Kinsey] did not carry out experiments on children; he did not hire, collaborate, or persuade people to carry out experiments on children." It goes on to say,
Kinsey clearly stated in his male volume the sources of information about children's sexual responses. The bulk of this information was obtained from adults recalling their own childhoods. Some was from parents who had observed their children, some from teachers who had observed children interacting or behaving sexually, and Kinsey stated that there were nine men who he had interviewed who had sexual experiences with children who had told him about how the children had responded and reacted. We believe that one of those men was the source of the data listed in the book.
Organized opposition
Some conservative groups including RSVPAmerica, headed by Dr Judith A. Reisman, and the Family Research Council have stated that they aim to discredit the Kinsey Reports. These groups often accuse Kinsey's work of promoting "unhealthy" sexual practices or morals.RSVPAmerica advertises publications such as Kinsey: Crimes & Consequences and Kinsey, Sex and Fraud: The Indoctrination of a People, both by Reisman, and the video "The Children of Table 34", funded by the Family Research Council. The campaign website states that the video "presents the story of Dr. Reisman's discovery of Dr. Alfred Kinsey's systematic sexual abuse of 317 male children".
In its 1998 response [3] to the core allegations made by Reisman, Kinsey Institute director John Bancroft stated that the data on children in tables 31-34 of Kinsey's Sexual Behavior of the Human Male came largely from the journal of one adult "omniphile", who had illegal sexual interaction with these children. The man's journal started in 1917, long before the Kinsey Reports. Bancroft further stated that Kinsey explicitly pointed out the illegality of the man's actions, but that he granted his source anonymity. In addition, Bancroft reiterated the Kinsey Institute's claim that Kinsey never had any sexual interaction with children, nor did he employ others to do so, and that he interviewed children in the presence of their parents.
Kinsey Reports
Assessment | Biopsychology | Comparative | Cognitive | Developmental | Language | Individual differences | Personality | Philosophy | Social | Methods | Statistics | Clinical | Educational | Industrial | Professional items | World psychology | Social psychology: Altruism · Attribution ·...
I'm not cool with taking the words of pedophiles who molested children as a basis of building our argument on human sexuality. I just put this "scholarship" into today's world. If that were one of my kids in Table 34 they would have to hide Kinsey from me. After I got through with the pedo, I would be looking for him. And I wouldn't convict any parent for anything in a similar situation if I was on a jury.I'm completely ignorant on this issue. Here's what I found:
Conjecture of child abuse
In the Kinsey Reports are data concerning pre-adolescent orgasms. Particularly controversial are tables 30 through 34 of the male volume. For example, table 34 is, "Examples of multiple orgasm in pre-adolescent males. Some instances of higher frequencies." A typical entry indicates that a certain 7 year-old had seven orgasms in a three hour time period. Kinsey's critics state that data such as these could have only been obtained by direct observation of or participation in child abuse. In particular they point to the information given in table 32, "Speed of pre-adolescent orgasm; Duration of stimulation before climax; Observations timed with second hand or stop watch," and say that the only way such precise data could have been collected was through cooperation with child molesters.
The Kinsey institute states unequivocally on its website, "[Kinsey] did not carry out experiments on children; he did not hire, collaborate, or persuade people to carry out experiments on children." It goes on to say,
Kinsey clearly stated in his male volume the sources of information about children's sexual responses. The bulk of this information was obtained from adults recalling their own childhoods. Some was from parents who had observed their children, some from teachers who had observed children interacting or behaving sexually, and Kinsey stated that there were nine men who he had interviewed who had sexual experiences with children who had told him about how the children had responded and reacted. We believe that one of those men was the source of the data listed in the book.
Organized opposition
Some conservative groups including RSVPAmerica, headed by Dr Judith A. Reisman, and the Family Research Council have stated that they aim to discredit the Kinsey Reports. These groups often accuse Kinsey's work of promoting "unhealthy" sexual practices or morals.
RSVPAmerica advertises publications such as Kinsey: Crimes & Consequences and Kinsey, Sex and Fraud: The Indoctrination of a People, both by Reisman, and the video "The Children of Table 34", funded by the Family Research Council. The campaign website states that the video "presents the story of Dr. Reisman's discovery of Dr. Alfred Kinsey's systematic sexual abuse of 317 male children".
In its 1998 response [3] to the core allegations made by Reisman, Kinsey Institute director John Bancroft stated that the data on children in tables 31-34 of Kinsey's Sexual Behavior of the Human Male came largely from the journal of one adult "omniphile", who had illegal sexual interaction with these children. The man's journal started in 1917, long before the Kinsey Reports. Bancroft further stated that Kinsey explicitly pointed out the illegality of the man's actions, but that he granted his source anonymity. In addition, Bancroft reiterated the Kinsey Institute's claim that Kinsey never had any sexual interaction with children, nor did he employ others to do so, and that he interviewed children in the presence of their parents.
Kinsey Reports
Assessment | Biopsychology | Comparative | Cognitive | Developmental | Language | Individual differences | Personality | Philosophy | Social | Methods | Statistics | Clinical | Educational | Industrial | Professional items | World psychology | Social psychology: Altruism · Attribution ·...psychology.fandom.com
That whole "institute" has always been a stain on IU from my perspective and we shouldn't be celebrating that man.
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Passing off an interview with one person as scholarship is a problem, regardless of the issue.
His opinions on the psychological impact of child sex abuse are stupid and disconnected from all actual research I've seen by psychologists and treating therapists:
"In 1949, for example, he testified before the California General Assembly’s Subcommittee on Sex Crimes, urging them to liberalize sex offense statutes. He argued specifically for granting immediate paroles to suspected child molesters, and warned that societal “hysteria” does more harm to children than the actual molestations
Kinsey wrote: “It is difficult to understand why a child, except for its cultural conditioning, should be disturbed at having its genitalia touched, or disturbed at seeing the genitalia of other persons, or disturbed at even more specific sexual contacts.”"
You must have me confused with someone else. Unlike some posters here, I'm nowhere near 24/7 status. I participate in maybe 15% of the threads. And, unlike you, I post under only one name.
I don't understand people who simply retweet unsourced stuff from social media warriors and expect others to blindly accept it as gospel. There are a couple of people here who do it all the time, citing "Catturd" or, in this case, some "influencer" named Matt Walsh. Kudos to you, though, for actually digging deeper and coming up with a two-page paper. The problem, though, is that it doesn't support the claims you made about Kinsey.
There's no question that some of Kinsey's methodology would be roundly rejected by the scientific community if it were happening today. Some of his data collection methods were unethical and perhaps even immoral. I think the placement of the statue is ill-advised. But there's nothing in your link or anything else that I've read that would support the claim that Kinsey or any of his assistants were child molesters and/or interacted with kids outside the presence of their parents. Gotta be careful about stretching the truth in trying to make a point.
I don’t have you confused with anyone else, I know who you are!
Ignorant. First, one name. Never felt the need to have more than one. In fact, I use this same name on another IU fan site. So you're wrong again. You want to defend a child molester. Says a lot about you.
Do you know how to google? I'm not going to spoon-feed you.
Just stop criticizing the message and try - for once - to add some content.
Do you like football, danc? That's a heck of a punt.
Like many/most IU grads, I'm familiar with Kinsey (#513). I wanted to see if you were. Not surprisingly, you're not - - and, for you, that's pretty much par for the course regardless of the topic.
You must be a long jumper, because that's quite a leap.
Why were you asking me if you know so much about it? Unsurprisingly, you're just trolling.
