It isn't in schools

[anon_6hv78pr714xta]

For those who think this kind of thinking is benign:

‘It Just Works’: Progressive Educators Rediscover Power of Phonics after Failing with DEI-Infused Method | National Review

A former school principal told NR that the move to a social-injustice infused teaching method disproportionately harmed minority students.

www.nationalreview.com

Those who pushed out phonics in favor of Caulkins and the "whole reading" sham deserve public shaming.

 

[IUCrazy2]

For those who think this kind of thinking is benign:

‘It Just Works’: Progressive Educators Rediscover Power of Phonics after Failing with DEI-Infused Method | National Review

A former school principal told NR that the move to a social-injustice infused teaching method disproportionately harmed minority students.

www.nationalreview.com

Those who pushed out phonics in favor of Caulkins and the "whole reading" sham deserve public shaming.

YES! Our district was bought into Lucy Caulkins and the reading scores have fallen off a cliff. It sounds like they are finally turning back to phonics but it has been a struggle on the reading front for my 3 oldest.

You don't find out about this stuff until you notice an issue and start digging and then it is a total WTF moment. And it is a full on pull to get people to believe that the schools aren't always acting in your child's interest because they know teachers....

 

[anon_6hv78pr714xta]

YES! Our district was bought into Lucy Caulkins and the reading scores have fallen off a cliff. It sounds like they are finally turning back to phonics but it has been a struggle on the reading front for my 3 oldest.

You don't find out about this stuff until you notice an issue and start digging and then it is a total WTF moment. And it is a full on pull to get people to believe that the schools aren't always acting in your child's interest because they know teachers....

Had the identical experience. Only difference, I taught my kids how to read using a phonics system before they started school so I didn't have to worry much about this.

 

[Cortez88]

Had the identical experience. Only difference, I taught my kids how to read using a phonics system before they started school so I didn't have to worry much about this.

I gotta be honest. I had no idea there was another way to teach reading other than phonics. Why are we mucking with the tried and true things? Reinventing wheels is a waste of time.

 

[anon_mlxxvlbug9dpa]

I gotta be honest. I had no idea there was another way to teach reading other than phonics. Why are we mucking with the tried and true things? Reinventing wheels is a waste of time.

Oh Cortez, Cortez, Cortez.

It’s simple: the old way worked and too many urban minority students were failing. Conclusion: the old way is racist.

 

[snarlcakes]

Oh Cortez, Cortez, Cortez.

It’s simple: the old way worked and too many urban minority students were failing. Conclusion: the old way is racist.

That might be the case in some places, but with my experience it happens because school districts are administrative heavy IMO. They all have to validate their jobs and a lot of educational “consultants” get hired with new plans for blah blah blah. They last for couple of years and go away. Rinse and repeat.

 

[anon_mlxxvlbug9dpa]

That might be the case in some places, but with my experience it happens because school districts are administrative heavy IMO. They all have to validate there jobs and a lot of educational “consultants” get hired with new plans for blah blah blah. They last for couple of years and go away. Rinse and repeat.

Agreed. But anything DEI sounds great and new and shiny.

 

[snarlcakes]

YES! Our district was bought into Lucy Caulkins and the reading scores have fallen off a cliff. It sounds like they are finally turning back to phonics but it has been a struggle on the reading front for my 3 oldest.

You don't find out about this stuff until you notice an issue and start digging and then it is a total WTF moment. And it is a full on pull to get people to believe that the schools aren't always acting in your child's interest because they know teachers....

Pay attention when new Superintendents or Curriculum Directors are hired. It’s the likely time for those type of changes. Especially, if there is a new teaching fad with (insert hot new name).

 

[anon_6hv78pr714xta]

Pay attention when new Superintendents or Curriculum Directors are hired. It’s the likely time for those type of changes. Especially, if there is a new teaching fad with (insert hot new name).

Bingo. That's exactly what happened in my district.

 

[Baller23Boogie]

I gotta be honest. I had no idea there was another way to teach reading other than phonics. Why are we mucking with the tried and true things? Reinventing wheels is a waste of time.

Math is the same way.

Trying to do multiplication is like trying to figure out a foreign language when not done "the old way".

I just look at it and help with how I know how to do it and tell my kid if the teacher has questions, email me.

 

[TheOriginalHappyGoat]

For those who think this kind of thinking is benign:

‘It Just Works’: Progressive Educators Rediscover Power of Phonics after Failing with DEI-Infused Method | National Review

A former school principal told NR that the move to a social-injustice infused teaching method disproportionately harmed minority students.

www.nationalreview.com

Those who pushed out phonics in favor of Caulkins and the "whole reading" sham deserve public shaming.

I'm sorry, but can someone explain how this debate over phonics has anything at all to do with any of the shit people are bitching about in this thread or others? As I understand it, the Calkins methodology was simply a different pedagogical approach to reading, and had nothing to do with - and indeed dramatically predated - the current fights over identity politics in education. The failure of her system - which she seems to now recognize - was too weak of an emphasis on traditional phonics education.

I'm glad reading education is improving, but I fail to see how there is any justification for using this story to add fuel to the current fire.

 

[anon_6hv78pr714xta]

I'm sorry, but can someone explain how this debate over phonics has anything at all to do with any of the shit people are bitching about in this thread or others? As I understand it, the Calkins methodology was simply a different pedagogical approach to reading, and had nothing to do with - and indeed dramatically predated - the current fights over identity politics in education. The failure of her system - which she seems to now recognize - was too weak of an emphasis on traditional phonics education.

I'm glad reading education is improving, but I fail to see how there is any justification for using this story to add fuel to the current fire.

In many districts, it was pitched as being a more equitable way to teach reading. That it would somehow help solve the achievement gap because it would disproportionately benefit children of color.

 

[TheOriginalHappyGoat]

In many districts, it was pitched as being a more equitable way to teach reading. That it would somehow help solve the achievement gap because it would disproportionately benefit children of color.

Was it, though? As far as I can tell, the debate over this curriculum covers a lot of different things, only one of which is the desire of many - including Calkins - to include some guidance about sexual and gender (and presumably racial) identity. But none of that argument has anything to do with whether or not phonics works or should be taught. It's simply dishonest to conflate these issues in an attempt to disparage the curriculum overall.

 

[anon_mlxxvlbug9dpa]

Was it, though? As far as I can tell, the debate over this curriculum covers a lot of different things, only one of which is the desire of many - including Calkins - to include some guidance about sexual and gender (and presumably racial) identity. But none of that argument has anything to do with whether or not phonics works or should be taught. It's simply dishonest to conflate these issues in an attempt to disparage the curriculum overall.

Think about what you just said - one of the sacrifices made to add sexual and gender based discussion was phonics. Yes it’s not that simple but the optics are terrible (except to those who want to virtue signal).

Phonics wasn’t broken. My kid learned to read at 2 because of phonics on YouTube. Messing with it is insanity.

 

[TheOriginalHappyGoat]

It’s often pitched as being under the DEI umbrella. Part of the grift.

Just to be clear, if something can fairly be placed under the DEI "umbrella," are you just going to assume it's bad and dangerous?

 

[TheOriginalHappyGoat]

Think about what you just said - one of the sacrifices made to add sexual and gender based discussion was phonics. Yes it’s not that simple but the optics are terrible (except to those who want to virtue signal).

Phonics wasn’t broken. My kid learned to read at 2 because of phonics on YouTube. Messing with it is insanity.

As far as I can tell, phonics was not a "sacrifice" made to add other stuff. That's just the gloss being put on it by the raging mob.

I could be wrong. I'm not a pedagogy expert.

 

[snarlcakes]

Was it, though? As far as I can tell, the debate over this curriculum covers a lot of different things, only one of which is the desire of many - including Calkins - to include some guidance about sexual and gender (and presumably racial) identity. But none of that argument has anything to do with whether or not phonics works or should be taught. It's simply dishonest to conflate these issues in an attempt to disparage the curriculum overall.

When they implemented it in my wife’s district (6-7 years ago) she said they were instructed to get away from teaching phonics. She is usually a rule follower, but said she continued teaching phonics. I vaguely remember her b#tching about it. I asked her tonight and she said they went back to teaching phonics and it’s formally in the curriculum now.

 

[jet812]

Just to be clear, if something can fairly be placed under the DEI "umbrella," are you just going to assume it's bad and dangerous?

So long as it continues to contribute to the decline in quality of education, yes.

 

[anon_mlxxvlbug9dpa]

As far as I can tell, phonics was not a "sacrifice" made to add other stuff. That's just the gloss being put on it by the raging mob.

I could be wrong. I'm not a pedagogy expert.

Correct I was lazily typing. Her approach to phonics has been criticized for being against all historical research of how kids learn phonics.

 

[anon_mlxxvlbug9dpa]

Just to be clear, if something can fairly be placed under the DEI "umbrella," are you just going to assume it's bad and dangerous?

The problem with Big DEI is just like Big CRT. And communism. At face value it all makes perfect sense and a reasonable conversation can be had. But placed into the hands of unqualified (meaning unqualified in not knowing how to teach diversity topics or CRT topics) teachers can do more harm than good. It’s how you get second grade teachers telling the white kids they are natural oppressors.

tl;dr It Depends

 

[TheOriginalHappyGoat]

Correct I was lazily typing. Her approach to phonics has been criticized for being against all historical research of how kids learn phonics.

I get that her approach to phonics was wrong, and she even seems to realize that now. What I didn't understand was the quick conflation of her approach to phonics with this other "DEI" stuff. For your part, lazy typing suffices, since I trust your honesty, and also have sympathy, suffering from lazy typing on occasion myself, but for the broader outrage machine, I'm less generous.

 

[anon_6hv78pr714xta]

As far as I can tell, phonics was not a "sacrifice" made to add other stuff. That's just the gloss being put on it by the raging mob.

I could be wrong. I'm not a pedagogy expert.

The stuff you are talking about, I believe, is separate and apart from what I'm discussing. I'm talking about how districts and admins talked about and sold the change in local areas. In 2015, that's how it was sold in my district. I don't know about others. I've searched google, but I don't know how to date limit a search and all I'm getting is stuff dealing with how everyone has now figured out her method is actually inequitable because it doesn't work very well.

You are correct, though, that Caulkins did not limit/eliminate phonics because she wanted to fit in a bunch of SJ content.

 

[TheOriginalHappyGoat]

The stuff you are talking about, I believe, is separate and apart from what I'm discussing. I'm talking about how districts and admins talked about and sold the change in local areas. In 2015, that's how it was sold in my district. I don't know about others. I've searched google, but I don't know how to date limit a search and all I'm getting is stuff dealing with how everyone has now figured out her method is actually inequitable because it doesn't work very well.

You are correct, though, that Caulkins did not limit/eliminate phonics because she wanted to fit in a bunch of SJ content.

Yes, we are talking about two different things. You're talking about its implementation in 2015. I'm talking about the broader context of a curriculum she first developed, what, 50 years ago?

 

[IUCrazy2]

Just to be clear, if something can fairly be placed under the DEI "umbrella," are you just going to assume it's bad and dangerous?

Not all of it, because they throw traditional "Do unto others" under that umbrella too. However, yes, the vast majority of junk thrown under DEI is a heaping, stinking pile of horse shit that should be tossed the hell out of schools post haste.

 

[IUCrazy2]

Working paper on school tracking finds it helps high-achievers without harming anyone

hotair.com

Tracking (the separating of students into high achievement and regular courses) is something that has been frowned upon by the "equity" crowd. California is looking at de-tracking math. Take a read to find out why that is counterproductive.

All the tinkering these equity folks keep doing with schools is a race to the bottom.

 

[anon_6hv78pr714xta]

Working paper on school tracking finds it helps high-achievers without harming anyone

hotair.com

Tracking (the separating of students into high achievement and regular courses) is something that has been frowned upon by the "equity" crowd. California is looking at de-tracking math. Take a read to find out why that is counterproductive.

All the tinkering these equity folks keep doing with schools is a race to the bottom.

"Frowned upon?"

Equity people want it abolished. It happened to my school district.

 

[IUCrazy2]

"Frowned upon?"

Equity people want it abolished. It happened to my school district.

I was underselling.

 

[Cortez88]

Working paper on school tracking finds it helps high-achievers without harming anyone

hotair.com

Tracking (the separating of students into high achievement and regular courses) is something that has been frowned upon by the "equity" crowd. California is looking at de-tracking math. Take a read to find out why that is counterproductive.

All the tinkering these equity folks keep doing with schools is a race to the bottom.

This is all so stupid. Academics and athletics are not really any different. We all have unique talents and deficiencies. Imagine constructing an offensive line and not considering the kids sizes? Let’s be fair to the 5’5 130 lb kid and let him play left tackle.

Some kids need pushed and some kids need pulled.

 

[anon_mlxxvlbug9dpa]

Florida releases examples of rejected math books that contain 'prohibited topics'

The Florida Department of Education (FDOE) has released examples of some math textbooks rejected by the state for the upcoming year.

www.wrtv.com

It isn't in schools so much that every major textbook company decided to include it in math questions. 40% of the textbooks had to be tossed because they focused on something other than math (or moved the focus).

Could be false flag but if not - these are public school teachers. The one that teaches social studies says “17-something.”

 

[IUCrazy2]

Could be false flag but if not - these are public school teachers. The one that teaches social studies says “17-something.”

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If real, the one who admits not teaching the curriculum mandated by her state should be unemployed tomorrow.

And the other not knowing when we declared independence as a social studies teacher should be a disqualifier as well.

 

[Eurocyldon]

Most of these lunatic teachers are just lazy and their leadership lets them get away with it. Much easier to talk about things that are not part of the curriculum. But it's frankly child abuse. These kids will grow up with no ability to function in the real world and will be forced to live off the government.

 

[anon_mlxxvlbug9dpa]

If real, the one who admits not teaching the curriculum mandated by her state should be unemployed tomorrow.

And the other not knowing when we declared independence as a social studies teacher should be a disqualifier as well.

Maybe they’re in the Springfield MO district. Seriously, these insane trainings that teach straight are no different from hiring the Klan to tell a bunch of black teachers that they are inferior.

If this was required training someone needs to be fired. If it was optional then I’m a big meh.

Radical Gender Theory Comes to the Heartland

Springfield Public Schools, the largest public school district in Missouri, has adopted a radical gender-theory training program that encourages teachers to believe that “gender is a universe” and to affirm sexual identities such as “non-binary,” “pansexual,” and “polyamorous.” Last year, I...

www.city-journal.org

on edit: @T.M.P. this is what I define as woke. Teaching about slavery or racism is not woke. “Land acknowledgments” and teaching self-loathing are woke - and I hope this district’s entire board is replaced because they’re going to have the pants sued right off of them.

 

[IUINSB]

Could be false flag but if not - these are public school teachers. The one that teaches social studies says “17-something.”

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Please, please, please tell me this is from The Onion or Babylon Bee.

 

[anon_mlxxvlbug9dpa]

Please, please, please tell me this is from The Onion or Babylon Bee.

Like I said - they might not be real teachers and it could be staged. But their responses don’t surprise me at all.

 

[IUCrazy2]

Like I said - they might not be real teachers and it could be staged. But their responses don’t surprise me at all.

I fully believe this stuff is out there.

Chicago Public Schools’ radical agenda gets uglier: ‘Equity’ video promotes looting and burning – Wirepoints | Wirepoints

CPS calls the video an “equity tool,” but the reality is it promotes hopelessness. Titled “How Can We Win?,” the video’s message is clear: there is no way. Better to riot, loot, and burn. It sounds unbelievable, but in Chicago’s schools, it’s not.

wirepoints.org

You have all sorts of independent outfits like this that are monitoring what is happening in their school districts but it remains a local topic that generally only those who are interested and seek out information come across. In the article linked above, a video of Kimberly Jones is on the Chicago Public Schools web page under their DEI resources.

See here for proof:

How Can We Win? | Chicago Public Schools

www.cps.edu

And here is the video:



In a city that sees smash and grabs and high incidents of violence among its youth, isn't it a little bit like throwing gas on a fire to be saying things like burning things to the ground or f--- such and such store, should be going through broken glass to get what they see but can't have? (To paraphrase) That is the type of stuff that DEI is telling teachers and instructing them to take that frame if mind into the classroom.

This isn't just a here or there thing. The CPS example is really extreme, but similar content is almost always found in these DEI web pages if you look for it.

This is from my school district. My child will never have the teacher in the linked audio discussion based on what he said in that discussion. He is an activist in the classroom. **** that guy.

Equity Spotlight - Hamilton Southeastern Schools

www.hseschools.org

 

[anon_mlxxvlbug9dpa]

I fully believe this stuff is out there.

Chicago Public Schools’ radical agenda gets uglier: ‘Equity’ video promotes looting and burning – Wirepoints | Wirepoints

CPS calls the video an “equity tool,” but the reality is it promotes hopelessness. Titled “How Can We Win?,” the video’s message is clear: there is no way. Better to riot, loot, and burn. It sounds unbelievable, but in Chicago’s schools, it’s not.

wirepoints.org

You have all sorts of independent outfits like this that are monitoring what is happening in their school districts but it remains a local topic that generally only those who are interested and seek out information come across. In the article linked above, a video of Kimberly Jones is on the Chicago Public Schools web page under their DEI resources.

See here for proof:

How Can We Win? | Chicago Public Schools

www.cps.edu

And here is the video:

View embedded media

In a city that sees smash and grabs and high incidents of violence among its youth, isn't it a little bit like throwing gas on a fire to be saying things like burning things to the ground or f--- such and such store, should be going through broken glass to get what they see but can't have? (To paraphrase) That is the type of stuff that DEI is telling teachers and instructing them to take that frame if mind into the classroom.

This isn't just a here or there thing. The CPS example is really extreme, but similar content is almost always found in these DEI web pages if you look for it.

This is from my school district. My child will never have the teacher in the linked audio discussion based on what he said in that discussion. He is an activist in the classroom. **** that guy.

Equity Spotlight - Hamilton Southeastern Schools

www.hseschools.org

The CPS example is beyond the pale. Freaking ridiculous.

re the Ethnic Studies teacher, I really don’t have a problem with activism in elective classes. But mandatory curricula shouldn’t be subject to the whims of a guy like that.

 

[anon_6hv78pr714xta]

I fully believe this stuff is out there.

Chicago Public Schools’ radical agenda gets uglier: ‘Equity’ video promotes looting and burning – Wirepoints | Wirepoints

CPS calls the video an “equity tool,” but the reality is it promotes hopelessness. Titled “How Can We Win?,” the video’s message is clear: there is no way. Better to riot, loot, and burn. It sounds unbelievable, but in Chicago’s schools, it’s not.

wirepoints.org

You have all sorts of independent outfits like this that are monitoring what is happening in their school districts but it remains a local topic that generally only those who are interested and seek out information come across. In the article linked above, a video of Kimberly Jones is on the Chicago Public Schools web page under their DEI resources.

See here for proof:

How Can We Win? | Chicago Public Schools

www.cps.edu

And here is the video:

View embedded media

In a city that sees smash and grabs and high incidents of violence among its youth, isn't it a little bit like throwing gas on a fire to be saying things like burning things to the ground or f--- such and such store, should be going through broken glass to get what they see but can't have? (To paraphrase) That is the type of stuff that DEI is telling teachers and instructing them to take that frame if mind into the classroom.

This isn't just a here or there thing. The CPS example is really extreme, but similar content is almost always found in these DEI web pages if you look for it.

This is from my school district. My child will never have the teacher in the linked audio discussion based on what he said in that discussion. He is an activist in the classroom. **** that guy.

Equity Spotlight - Hamilton Southeastern Schools

www.hseschools.org

It would be great if you could have a debate and discussion about all the arguments that Kimberly Jones presents. I’ve tried before with wealthy white liberals in my circle. But it doesn’t work. It just immediately devolves into ad hominem of one kind or another.

I think McWhorter is right to label it a religion. It makes it easier to figure out how to deal with it.

 

[IUCrazy2]

The CPS example is beyond the pale. Freaking ridiculous.

re the Ethnic Studies teacher, I really don’t have a problem with activism in elective classes. But mandatory curricula shouldn’t be subject to the whims of a guy like that.

Right and where the trust comes in is the issue. I don't trust that he can keep his politics out of the class based on what he has said....and based on the messaging from the school, I think they expect them to inject that into the classroom. We just had the brother of the Elwood officer who was killed a few weeks back (and whose mother is a teacher in the district) walk into a class with a defund the police poster up....in a district saying they want to act against microagressions in the classroom of a teacher who has verbally gotten involved with police who were called and ended up detaining a high school student.

The activists need to keep the activism at home or go into that as a profession as opposed to making it their job to bring their biased, activist, POV to the classroom and push that on kids who have next to no recourse.

 

[anon_mlxxvlbug9dpa]

Right and where the trust comes in is the issue. I don't trust that he can keep his politics out of the class based on what he has said....and based on the messaging from the school, I think they expect them to inject that into the classroom. We just had the brother of the Elwood officer who was killed a few weeks back (and whose mother is a teacher in the district) walk into a class with a defund the police poster up....in a district saying they want to act against microagressions in the classroom of a teacher who has verbally gotten involved with police who were called and ended up detaining a high school student.

The activists need to keep the activism at home or go into that as a profession as opposed to making it their job to bring their biased, activist, POV to the classroom and push that on kids who have next to no recourse.

How on earth are teachers allowed to have Defund the Police posters up? Unless they’re being used as discussion materials. Again I’d like to see the students step up and fight the teacher pushing that ideology onto them.

 

[IUCrazy2]

How on earth are teachers allowed to have Defund the Police posters up? Unless they’re being used as discussion materials. Again I’d like to see the students step up and fight the teacher pushing that ideology onto them.

Somewhat in her defense, it was a student created poster arguing merits but the kid has a really distinct name that anyone living in the area would know, like hey, new school year, maybe put this one away with that kid in this class.

That being said, this particular teacher has a history...(all hearsay so nothing I would be able to link).

Edit to add: https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.wt...ther/531-4fca3415-b22b-44ea-9c9b-1f807b81e2c3

Second edit: apparently enough people were pissed at the teacher and reached out to the FPD (who are also annoyed with the school) and so this was released.



The young woman in the video is the teacher. Just saying.