Now that we know the laptop was real and Hunter’s laptop, should the 51 former officials, Biden and all others who said it was Russian disinformation be prosecuted for election interference?
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They couched their language in saying it had "all the hallmarks" of Russian disinformation. Which offers them some plausible deniability but is also an indicator that they knew they were lying.
As much horseshit that comes out of conservative propaganda, is it really that shocking that people's initial inclination is to think it just more bs?
read the story about the boy who cried wolf.
No, they will simply fall back to the very specific wordsmithing. They very intentionally used the words "has all the earmarks/ hallmarks of Russian disinformation". They knew that a "certain", well identified, demographic would suck this story up but left themselves an out. They are pretty good at covering their tracks. weasels every one.
sounds like you're trying to apply the trump strategy to other party.
Smashing idea there
The “earmarks” dodge doesn’t fly. First it is itself a lie. Second nobody investigated to determine if it was a fact. One of the D.C. charges against Trump is a public fraud beef based on a never used statute. The same charge could be leveled against Blinken who spearheaded the letter.
Let's go after the Russian collusion hoaxers first.
Russia did work for Trump in 2016 you guys seem to avoid that point. The US Senate did state no collusion with Russia by Trump campaign, but they met. Why does Russia want Trump in office? Why?
You mean, the people who deny all the irrefutable evidence of frequent communication between the Trump campaign and Russian operatives, saying that there was "no collusion" when the finding was that the clear cozy relationship simply did not rise to the level of a criminal conspiracy?
I don't think you can really "go after" people for refusing to believe facts. That would take millions of jail cells.
VanPastorMan
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It is more interference than paying a whore to shut up. Now I understand the issue of where Trump got the money to pay Daniels. It was through his business. I don't see a lot wrong in this unless it was a tax issue.
That was the biggest thing Barr did for Trump. Interpreting the Mueller report and minimizing it as he did. He knew the base wouldn’t pay attention to the details and the actual evidence, just listening to Trump’s total exoneration is all they ever really need. Then we get to hear for years the misinterpretations and witch-hunt accusations. Sigh
Technically it was said that collusion was not a legal term. didn't say anything about there being no collusion. That was a fallacy created by the spin doctors in conservative propaganda
In the church of VPM, anything Trump-approved is God-approved. Pretty sick.
VanPastorMan
Hall of Famer
You don't agree that shushing the laptop was worse interference? There was a poll taken and something like 40% who voted for Biden said they would not have done so if the laptop story had been broken. My point was that paying off this woman did not have as much impact.
You can't possibly believe that. Think that through please.
No way that 40% is even close to true. Why? Hunter wasn’t running for President in there is no evidence of Joe Biden criminality on the laptop. How would that work.
He’s essentially correct. IIRC the framing of the questions was a problem, the sample size was small and the margin for error high. The poll isn’t particularly reliable, but it’s a mistake to excoriate VPM for citing it.
Go back and listen to some of their interviews, though. Many - Clapper included - said that it was a Russian disinformation campaign.
It was clearly election interference, as defined today.
He didn't actually cite it he just referenced it, and either way, the result is laughable on its face. No one should take a number like that seriously, no matter where they read it.
Really? I’d like to see that poll. I actually don’t believe too many people care a bit about what the SON of a presidential candidate does, especially if said som is not going to be in the administration. So yes, I think it’s much more impactful what the actual candidate does, not someone in their family. And paying off a woman to keep it from becoming public, while he was was home with a newborn? That seems pretty impactful to me. Not too many Trumpers though, since they don’t care what he does, they just make excuses.
VanPastorMan
Hall of Famer
Zeke, do you realize what is in the laptop? It is where we see that money is going to, "the big guy" from China. This isn't about Hunter's sexual perversions and drug use. You have the President getting money from a foreign government.
And yet they have no proof of any connection to the "big guy". that is why the investigation fizzled out.
Hunter didn't run for president so no I don't care about his sexual perversions or drug use.
Trump's kids were actually in his administration. Do you care about their drug use? I'm guessing not. You care about Hunter's PAST issues because you're a hyper-partisan clinging onto any dirt you can find on the other side.
No, Van that’s not what you have. Do you realize that the Republicans have been investigating for years and have found nothing? Do you also realize that Trump and his family have quite likely been getting money from all kinds of foreign places, before, during, and after his presidency? Do you remember Jared’s two billion dollar reward for helping keep the ruler out of trouble for killing and dismantling a journalist?
You guys are missing the obvious. 40% of a candidate's voters aren't abandoning him for any reason. It's a completely laughable number. Put into practice, and Trump 2020 wins NY, NJ, Oregon, Washington. Almost wins Hawaii and California. And that's just if Biden's 40% stay home. If some of them switch to Trump, then Trump runs the table, except for maybe DC.
It's an absurd idea.
I know it's an absurd idea. I was just responding to another of his absurd posts.
VanPastorMan
Hall of Famer
That is all the news focused on. Rudy Guiliani had the laptop and talked about Biden's money coming from China.
Not a chance in hell that stat is even close. I don’t see how it could possibly be even a fraction of a percent. Also he didn’t link anything to back it up. No way he can.
The whole notion is bizarre, that if a father/brother/son of somebody has problems, then that somebody is inherently tainted by it. Like... a curse upon your house! Game of Thrones is real!
I mean, sometimes I guess it is valid. Trump's Dad was apparently a racist dick and passed it on.
But unless some of Hunter Biden's wrongdoing is proven to involve his father, his prosecution really should not be getting the attention that it is getting.
I mean, sometimes I guess it is valid. Trump's Dad was apparently a racist dick and passed it on.
But unless some of Hunter Biden's wrongdoing is proven to involve his father, his prosecution really should not be getting the attention that it is getting.
That’s exactly why I asked him to post the poll. Because it was absurd.
Fact check: Does polling show the Hunter Biden laptop story would've changed the 2020 election?
At a recent House subcommittee meeting, Rep. Elise Stefanik, R-N.Y., tried to make the case that if stories about a laptop belonging to President Joe Biden's son, Hunter Biden, were more widely publicized, more people would have changed their votes in the 2020 election.
www.wral.com
I'm assuming this is the poll VPM is talking about. If you Google "hunter Biden laptop poll" one of the first results was the full pdf of the poll. Either way as Goat has mentioned the math ain't mathing on the poll. However it stands to reason that there were votes out there that would have changed, but not to this degree.
If republicans found anything, they would be subpoenaing anyone they could and making public spectacle of it. They would also be blasting it out on fox news and Newsmax.
What purpose would republicans have to quietly close down the investigation and move on if they had all this evidence that you claim?
Do you think dems have compromising photos of the republicans to the point they are being blackmailed? Lmao. Maybe they found MTG's dick pic lmao
Nice transactional view of the issues, Pastor. Seems in line with your support of Trump.
I remember that poll. We pointed out the same issue here, that to believe the poll meant to believe a significant number of Trump voters would have switched to Biden, which made zero sense. Obviously a bad poll.Fact check: Does polling show the Hunter Biden laptop story would've changed the 2020 election?
At a recent House subcommittee meeting, Rep. Elise Stefanik, R-N.Y., tried to make the case that if stories about a laptop belonging to President Joe Biden's son, Hunter Biden, were more widely publicized, more people would have changed their votes in the 2020 election.
I'm assuming this is the poll VPM is talking about. If you Google "hunter Biden laptop poll" one of the first results was the full pdf of the poll. Either way as Goat has mentioned the math ain't mathing on the poll. However it stands to reason that there were votes out there that would have changed, but not to this degree.
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