From an outsider, he would seem to be a good fit for what I see a lot of your poster's here say they want. Team basketball and wouldn't need OADs and could build his style around all the in state four year type talent.
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Tracy Smith was making around 200K with bonus compensations that put he's 2014 salary around 380k. At ASU he's base salary is 375K with bonuses that push it much higher.
He is a good coach, and has been successful at every program. His success hasn't just been winning MVC titles, but has had NCAA tournament success. Hell, he beat IU! I would not be opposed to him. I just don't see him an more elite than a long list of possibilities. He could impress me by making a run with a new group of players and new leadership.
Besides Donovan, and obviously Stevens (who I personally don't think are interested)... who would you consider to be more elite of the possibilities?
Apparently you believe that you have some kind of monopoly on knowledge. Uh sport, I know where the baseball and football coaches were hired from. Your usual condescending attitude notwithstanding, IU Baseball and Football will never reach high levels until the administration manages them to reach greater success.
IU baseball had just built a brand new facility and reached the college world series under Smith. It was perfectly natural for Smith to take the ASU job -- it's one of the best college baseball jobs in the country. The question is, what happens to IU after he leaves. If the right hire is not made, all the momentum that had been generated by the program is lost. You seem to be willing to settle and assume that because it's Indiana baseball, their success was an aberration, they should just hire a "usual" candidate -- an assistant coach at another school. Yes, L'ville baseball is good. They've been ranked number 1 (actually, glass could learn from Jurich, but that's another discussion entirely). I would hope, though, that Indiana baseball could take the next step in the evolutionary process of success and attract a coach with head coaching experience. You listed the limitations of IU baseball (being in the BIG, geography (FYI -- only 75 miles away from L'ville), etc..). It's all about attitude. You seem to believe that IU needs to understand and accept its place in the NCAA baseball landscape. If that was the case, why did they build a new stadium? How did Tracy Smith have so much success?
Now let's look at football. Kevin Wilson had improved recruiting immeasurably at IU. They had gone to 2 bowl games in a row for the first time since 1990/91. You mentioned that Wilson didn't have any head coaching experience -- you're right. When he was hired, the program was mired in mediocrity (having gone through a 19-30 stretch). Just like tracy smith, he's improved the program. So when Wilson was fired, instead of "improving" the program, what did Glass do? He made a hire with no head coaching experience. I would argue that he was in a better position to get a more experience, higher profile coach this time around. If the improvement of the football program is going to continue, the standards are going to have to be raised, and that includes the hiring process.
I agree with you that the pedigree of the IU baseball and football programs do not match that of the basketball program. However, I don't believe that having higher expectations for both programs is misguided or ignorant (as seemed to be thesis of your post). I don't expect all of IU's sports programs to attract every top coach. However, I do expect the AD to attempt to continue to improve the sports programs -- especially those which are moving in a positive direction already.
From my buddy in Wichita: Marshall would listen, but not good timing right now. Has a daughter who has 1 more year of high school and wants to finish where she is. Also would be more likely to leave for a Carolina or SEC team. Add in a good squad coming back next year at WSU and it means Marshall is probably unlikely to come to IU.
Well, he already turned down a gigantic offer from an SEC team (Bama). And I have a hard time imagining Duke or UNC offering him their jobs, whenever they become open.
What makes you think your friend knows anything about what Marshall is thinking? Because he's from Wichita?
I think he said he wasn't leaving Butler, right up to the point he got a great offer from the Celtics. You never know unless you ask, and if you don't ask, you don't get. I say, give him everything we can, and if he says no, then it's no and move on, but AT LEAST make a tremendous offer. If IU is in the final four every other year, maybe wins 2 or 3 NCs in 10 years, that money is no problem. And, if he says, "No," at least we tried.
Should have acquired Marshall or Bronwell after
Mike Davis left, instead of signing Crean to that
juicy contract.
Wichita State alum and fan here. Just came to see how much talk there was about Greg Marshall on here. Seems to be on a lot of peoples wish list. For the sake of us Shocker fans I hope he stays. I really think he is waiting for a shot at one of the really big jobs. IU is a definite step up but I think he wants more. I really expect he stays until Calipari leaves UK and thats when he leaves.
And I quoted this post because it is wrong on so many accounts. WSU lost in the FF to Louisville in 2013. The undefeated season was the next year. Lost in rd 2 to a UK team who was an 8 seed and should have been about a 4. And since the committe loved that so much they set it up again this year.
And I quoted this post because it is wrong on so many accounts. WSU lost in the FF to Louisville in 2013. The undefeated season was the next year. Lost in rd 2 to a UK team who was an 8 seed and should have been about a 4. And since the committe loved that so much they set it up again this year.
Brownell? Is he going to keep his job at Clemson? I've heard his seat was pretty warm.
lol bsmitty is just a hillbilly Fromm Tipton. He knows nothing
You've got that reversed when it comes to having any "inside info".
The Indy Star has become an extension of the Laffy C&J... They're a joke.
Fred better want someone who can win lots and lots of games every year -- especially games played in March.
Your ignorance shows. Saban's around 6.9 per. Calipari is around 7 per. Jim Harbaugh makes like 5.8 per. Urban Meyer's at 6.5M. Coach K will makes just over 6M per. Rick Pitino is at 5M per. 8M per is unheard of, especially in basketball - unless it's Brad Stevens or Donovan that'd be the only chance you'd see a 8M per year contract, but that's still incredibly far fetched. You do what other programs do and give big bonuses. Rick Pitino has like a 4M retention bonus he receives every three years.
Coach Popovic makes 11M per and he's the best coach in the world. There is only three coaches in the NBA that make over 8M per... you have to understand how unrealistic that number is.
Donovan is a good coach, no doubt. But he is not a perfect match at Indiana. Sampson wasn't either and we knew Sampson could coach. But looking at the 2008 team, it was clear that there was a problem with the ethics and values of some of those guys, even before the cheating scandal.
If one looks closely at Donovan's recruits at UF, I'm not sure Indiana fans will be as thrilled as some may like to think.
But yes, Donovan coaches both offense and defense.
I agree...I think Marshall will be the next coach at UK but the question is will the Shockers be able to hold on to him until then? It now looks like Calipari will be at UK several more years and every year there are going to schools coming after Marshall. Marshall is one of the best coaches in the business and it is going to be interesting to see what he ends up doing. He's got a great job at WSU and is very well compensated so whoever has any hopes of hiring him away from the Shockers better really be ready to pay up.
Marshall is a no brainer until he has to interview. His reputation precedes him and he's known to not make a great impression. Sounds like Texas didn't even consider him a few years ago as a result.
Marshall and UK seems like a hilariously bad fit.
If he can recruit at WSU, I am sure he can recruit Indiana. The obvious answer right now is nobody knows, but is there anything that would indicate that he can not?
This is about all you need to know about Marshall... Shocker fans love him and do not want him to leave. Could that have been said about Sampson at the time? Crean? Would it be said about Alford? Sometimes you have to pay attention to the fans that are closest.
What? He's basically Crean with less personality and a worse recruiter.
Gregg Marshall has been the coach at Winthrop and Wichita State. Tell me, which of those two schools is he, or anyone, supposed to get top 50 players and McDonald's AAs? Tell me. I'm waiting.
Also, go and look at how Marshall dominates the conferences when he's there. I'll give you hint...there will be a lot of seasons with "1st" next to it.
Oh, and while you're at it, tell me how many McDonald's AAs Crean landed at Marquette. And tell me how Crean does in conference play. I'll give you hint...once in a while you'll see "1st" with a lot "5th", "6th", or "10th" in there. He sucked.
At this point Indiana would be a lateral move for Marshall. Maybe he chases the money but he'd be better off waiting until a better school comes calling.
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