Multiple reports that the leadership of the Capitol Police repeatedly called for assistance before and during the riot and were denied. That needs to be fully investigated.
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Multiple reports that the leadership of the Capitol Police repeatedly called for assistance before and during the riot and were denied. That needs to be fully investigated.
needs some fixing....
Public safety officials must always be prepared for the possibility that instigators and political opportunists can be a major part of the crowd of "protestors", that they have meticulously PLANNED to be violent, and have even announced those intentions in advance.
Preparation, preparation, preparation
I agree.
It is important that the rioters be fully prosecuted for their crimes.
Michael Sherwin acting U.S. attorney for the District of Columbia: "We will bring maximum charges based on the conduct."
Trump initially resisted sending in national guard. That is the issue with him sending in the rioters and being in charge of defending against the rioters.
Pence took lead as Trump initially resisted sending National Guard to Capitol
Vice President Mike Pence, not President Donald Trump, helped facilitate the decision to mobilize members of the DC National Guard Wednesday when violence at the US Capitol building started to escalate, according to a source familiar with the move and public comments from top officials.
www.cnn.com
This should have been an alphabet soup of federal agencies on hand during this riot. The event was planned and advertised. Several federal agencies should have been present and prepared to offer aid. I don’t like to delve into conspiracies, but something just doesn’t sit right here. I hope there is a full and complete investigation because we all need to know how this happened.
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Can you link? To whom did they request assistance and who denied?
Ok. But that still doesn't excuse the lack of preparation by the Capitol Police.Trump initially resisted sending in national guard. That is the issue with him sending in the rioters and being in charge of defending against the rioters.
Pence took lead as Trump initially resisted sending National Guard to Capitol
Vice President Mike Pence, not President Donald Trump, helped facilitate the decision to mobilize members of the DC National Guard Wednesday when violence at the US Capitol building started to escalate, according to a source familiar with the move and public comments from top officials.
Too many rioters had charges dropped by rogue prosecutors in 2020. This needs to change
Yes, there are probably more issues that need to be investigated on top of the delay in reinforcements.
Agree, any rioter caught dead to rights damaging property, trespassing (especially into a federal building) or harming/threatening others should be charged and brought to justice whether that be during last summer in BLM protests or last week in the march to the capitol building.
I was pretty careful to say "reports of" and "should be investigated", I think too much of what happened that day is still fuzzy and we need to take the time to sort out the failures that led to those officers being stranded with no support for hours faced by that mob. Here's one brief rundown that indicates it wasn't only Trump denying help from the Guard.
Outgoing Capitol Police chief says pleas for National Guard were repeatedly denied
He told WashPost he's concerned "it's going to happen again," possibly at Biden's inauguration.
www.axios.com
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So if this is true, can we recant the whole “the cops respond and prep differently between BLM and Trumper protests” narrative given that bureaucracy and potentially politics played into this? I don’t think we need to alienate law enforcement any more.I was pretty careful to say "reports of" and "should be investigated", I think too much of what happened that day is still fuzzy and we need to take the time to sort out the failures that led to those officers being stranded with no support for hours faced by that mob. Here's one brief rundown that indicates it wasn't only Trump denying help from the Guard.
Outgoing Capitol Police chief says pleas for National Guard were repeatedly denied
He told WashPost he's concerned "it's going to happen again," possibly at Biden's inauguration.
Yep. Without consequences for violent attacks, the riots have continued.
Like I said, I'm waiting for clarity on the day's events to make my personal judgement on what happened but as I said before I think that there are a lot of contributing factors. I think the political sympathies of folks in law enforcement, sheer incompetence, and yes race played a part in how things played out compared to other protests and riots in the last year, the balance between those remains to be seen.
Ex-Capitol Police Chief Says Requests For National Guard Denied 6 Times In Riots
Steven Sund contradicts reports that help was not requested, saying security officials at the House and Senate rebuffed calls for assistance ahead of and during the attack on the Capitol.
www.npr.org
Sounds like some more resignations might be coming. Nobody wanted to take responsibility for making a decision it seems.
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All I’ve ever advocated from the beginning is to let the facts play out. Jumping to conclusions is immature, unhelpful, and divisive.
Trump inadvertently sending his supporters to prison for up to 10 years..
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No one wanted to be on record for calling out the Guard on Trump's army of torch and pitchfork carriers.
From the article it appears even the DC mayor was against a show of force. Just odd.
Excrement meet fan.
Two Capitol police suspended and more than a dozen others are under investigation for suspected involvement with or inappropriate support for the Wednesday demonstration that turned into a deadly riot at the Capitol.
Two Capitol police suspended and more than a dozen others are under investigation for suspected involvement with or inappropriate support for the Wednesday demonstration that turned into a deadly riot at the Capitol.
Somehow we got to a point where a large number of us are unbearably offended simply by being disagreed with. The mass exodus McMurtry is describing isn't about this place being unpleasant because it's filled with assholes (although, c'mon). It's about this place being unpleasant because it's not an echo chamber.
I don't understand why anyone would want an echo chamber. Even though you are clearly wrong on this one*, Ranger, there will be others where I am clearly wrong, and I might not find out about my wrongness without you here to point it out to me. I'm not sure there's anything to be valued more on a message board than smart people willing to disagree with you.
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Two moons meeting....
Despicable. She's 75 too. She should name and shame the Rs responsible... but you can imagine the usual suspects...Ghomert, MTG, and some other douchebags.
Here's the video:
Despicable. She's 75 too. She should name and shame the Rs responsible... but you can imagine the usual suspects...Ghomert, MTG, and some other douchebags.
Here's the video:
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🤝Somehow we got to a point where a large number of us are unbearably offended simply by being disagreed with. The mass exodus McMurtry is describing isn't about this place being unpleasant because it's filled with assholes (although, c'mon). It's about this place being unpleasant because it's not an echo chamber.
I don't understand why anyone would want an echo chamber. Even though you are clearly wrong on this one*, Ranger, there will be others where I am clearly wrong, and I might not find out about my wrongness without you here to point it out to me. I'm not sure there's anything to be valued more on a message board than smart people willing to disagree with you.
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If he was at the rally fine.
If was at the capitol scoop him up with the rest of the knuckleheads.
Interesting proposal:
Robert Reich
@RBReich
Trump could be barred from holding office again under Section 3 of 14th Amendment, which bars anyone from office who has been found to have “engaged in insurrection or rebellion against” the Constitution. That finding could be made by a simple majority vote of both houses. Done.
Robert Reich
@RBReich
Trump could be barred from holding office again under Section 3 of 14th Amendment, which bars anyone from office who has been found to have “engaged in insurrection or rebellion against” the Constitution. That finding could be made by a simple majority vote of both houses. Done.
Each human being is basically good. In doing wrong (by his own determination), he will eventually judge himself and withdraw from doing more wrong. Trump is in the process of destroying himself.
Laughter is the best medicine:
A few weeks later....
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A few weeks later....
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Don't know what it means or how it manifests itself. But lying or hypocrisy are some of the primary characteristics, then a bigly yes!
lol. “Not true (that all Trump supporters are stupid). Some of them are just bad.”
Stupid or bad, take your pick...
Please watch this. These dangerous nuts came to the Capital because Trump told them to. They were there to overturn the election.
Those people look like Antifa to me
For the dense....
I need to add...
VBG
For the dense....
I need to add...
VBG
Gee Ranger....
The nice progressive is patting you on the head and scratching your ears...
Gud Boi.!!!
Guessing a belly rub is next!
