Not that he needs me defending him, but the crap you and a couple others post to Aloha reflects poorly on you. It also confirms what most real Republicans and true Independents think of Trump cult members like you.
Lots of things are. We spent massive amounts on ships the navy did not want, that did not nor still do not work, just so some defense contractors could get rich.
Congress funds problematic weapons the Pentagon does not want
A detail in this story has been clarified. In the nearly eight years since the first Littoral Combat Ship (LCS) was delivered to the Navy, it hasn’t won many ardent fans outside the Navy, its home-state lawmakers, or the employees of the two shipbuilders producing dueling models. The ships’...
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There have always been factions. I know this is Wikipedia but Reagan described the GOP as a three legged stool:
The Three Leg Stool (GOP) - Wikipedia
Reagan's three factions were the social conservatives, the fiscal conservatives, and the foreign interventionists (Neo-Cons). I think you see some overlap between the three and it also does not take into account the more Libertarian wing of the party (the MTIOTF and RZ's). Over my lifetime, the fiscal and Neo-Con gardens of the party have been the most watered. When election time came, that third leg of the party would get all sorts of lip service, but they did not get watered. The GOP has been quick to come with a tax cut and a foreign intervention. Grenada, Panama, Iraq 1, Iraq 2, Afghanistan...you get the point on the neo-con front and that isn't taking into account our role as the "world's police" where we were just "riding the beat" as opposed to actually getting out and attempting an "arrest". That third leg has fairly dutifully gone out and voted for the party time and time again even though they were not really having their interests served. The GOP was talk and bluster on the cultural issues but was always quick to retreat from those fights. Trump came along and pissed off the neo-cons (a bunch of the conservative commentator class was in this category), he did take care of the fiscal conservatives first (they always get their tax break) but he cheeses them off with anti-free (free being a misnomer) trade policies. And it elevated the dummies who are supposed to just vote because the other guys are worse.
For the social cons, the other two legs of that stool have been a pretty shitty group of allies. All talk, no play. And when they have the chance to play or something went through that maybe wasn't in their wheel house, they abandoned the party and the vitriol some have had for their "allies" has been as bad or worse than the actual political opposition. And here we are.
How do we reign in wasteful spending?Lots of things are. We spent massive amounts on ships the navy did not want, that did not nor still do not work, just so some defense contractors could get rich.
Congress funds problematic weapons the Pentagon does not want
A detail in this story has been clarified. In the nearly eight years since the first Littoral Combat Ship (LCS) was delivered to the Navy, it hasn’t won many ardent fans outside the Navy, its home-state lawmakers, or the employees of the two shipbuilders producing dueling models. The ships’...
Student loan forgiveness results in the transfer from low income to higher income. Financed by the percentage that are taxpayers.
I think we have a poster on here that calls them “vote whores”. Both Democratic and Republican. We are all being played.
Wasteful spending is different from the argument that it isn't fair. I have never disagreed that there are better uses for this money, I listed that as a reason to oppose it.
The post you quoted was referencing, "oh woe is me, I paid off my loan 10 years ago and now someone is getting a $10,000 break, my life isn't worth living" fainting couch attack.
We often talk of a sense of accomplishment for a job well done, someone paying off their debt should have that sense.
Now none of that means this bill does not cost money we could either spend better or not spend, none of the above means this bill attacks the root problems as it does not. None of the above means our government functioned as it should be having congressional approval and it does not.
Wasteful spending needs tackled, in all areas of spending (social programs and military). I have said in the past we need to review all programs and determine how well they are addressing their purpose, and how large of a military we need vs want.
Tiny Marxist Patsy (TMP) - Everything referenced is a democrat lie. They are facts. So your classic one word response where you can't dispute any of it is....actually dumb. You will never win a debate being that weak and lazy.
Have a dear friend who is both brilliant and unorganized. He passed the Mensa test, but his check to become a member bounced. Never joined.
I want a free car.
Why does Biden hate old, unhealthy, retired white guys?
Why does Biden hate old, unhealthy, retired white guys?
I want my bitcoin money back. It's turned out to be a bad investment. I didn't know at the time.
He likes me just fine. Sends me money and pays the doctors. The rest I do myself because I'm a maker.
Yeah, but I think the REAL topic is about taxpayers paying for forgiven loans, isn't it?
Like MTG's $183k PPP loan that was forgiven.
Like Vern Buchanan's $2.3M PPP loan that was forgiven.
Like Matt Gaetz's $482k PPP loan that was forgiven.
Feel free to list off some Ds that got huge PPP loans forgiven. Equal opportunity criticism here from me. But the hypocrisy of the bozos listed above is too much to not point out for me.
PPP loans is a different topic with different intentions, circumstances and goals.
The loans (and they really weren't loans for most businesses) were designed to support an economy that was on hold. Keep employees paid and businesses afloat so those employees could come back etc. While I am quite sure there was fraud committed by fine individuals on both sides of the aisle...the circumstances made them legitimate.
Student loan handouts are simply paying for votes with taxpayer dollars. A massive slap in the face and kick to the groin to the millions that paid their debts.
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How did Gaetz or MTG qualify for such loans? Awful.
Like all things I suspect we don't have the rest of the story. If it's a business with payroll and it was approved that was the purpose behind it. Or maybe they were shareholders in a biz that used it for payroll. Perfectly fine. That's just the English being the English.
I had originally addressed that point, discussing people in the thread but removed it prior to posting. I felt that most of the opposition in the thread was coming from people that were pre disposed to vote GOP in the upcoming elections. I did say that although there were individual Dems in the thread saying they didn't agree, I hadn't seen any of them post that it made them more inclined to vote for the GOP candidate, who basically is opposite of their view on nearly every other issue...
But I left out that whole conversation because I felt it made the post too long. So I decided to concentrate on Dems as a whole, and not discuss this board in particular. I have seen some blow back from more moderate candidates, but in discussions with people I know (who certainly aren't rich) I don't see that they are upset.
I asked one friend this morning about her son, who graduated a few years back and is getting married next month. She said that she wasn't sure if he qualified but she certainly hoped so because he had been working since 14, worked three jobs to put himself thru school and still had to take out loans which are still a huge drain to pay off because of the way the interest compounds and he can never get anything applied to the principal.
PPP fraud under Trump's CARES Act was one of the largest collective swindles in US history.
Theft from the Covid relief plan known as PPP was even worse than we thought
The official in charge of Covid relief tells NBC News' Lester Holt that programs like PPP were structured in ways that were "an invitation" to fraudsters.
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PPP fraud under Trump's CARES Act was one of the largest collective swindles in US history.
Theft from the Covid relief plan known as PPP was even worse than we thought
The official in charge of Covid relief tells NBC News' Lester Holt that programs like PPP were structured in ways that were "an invitation" to fraudsters.
And the gall of these people to turn around and make a big ordeal about student loan forgiveness when they took a lot more than $10,000
And I'm sure their other neighbor who became a bricklayer and didn't go to college is thrilled to subsidize that kid's loan. always looking for someone else to foot the bill. You always miss the point cosmic
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i don't understand why those loans were forgiven. that shouldn't have been part of the deal. extended paybacks. favorable terms. great. not forgiven.
You never know how accurate comments from strangers on line are, but a poster replying to one of the stories on yahoo yesterday really stood out to me. Pushing back that most of the students would be lining up $150,000/yr positions...
"I graduated from a top 20 university with a good GPA. I started out making 35K a year and have slowly made it 80k. My mother made 10k a year during my time in college, because my father had just passed. But because he just passed, for the next two years my student aid did not meet the poverty level, even though I was in poverty. Trust me, it isn't just rich kids going to college. In addition I started out only having to borrow 4k a year that I worked off every school year. But then tuition almost tripled in those 4 years and I had to borrow a lot. I essentially went from a full scholarship to borrowing from peter to pay paul just to graduate. You clearly haven't been to college, because you'd know right now my average starting pay from college in my field is still only 55k. I literally graduated from the best accounting school in the World that year. Don't tell me it is rich kids. Those kids didn't borrow a dime unless it was financially strategic for their families to do so."
When I was at IU, my instate tuition was roughly $35/hr, so my semester tuition was like $400. Add another $1500 a year or so for the dorms (which included meals) and my base cost was about $2000/yr. My dad was a veteran, so I basically was able to go at least undergrad on his VA benefits/Social security. I did have to take out loans for grad school, but I really can't relate to the astronomical costs of college today.
I certainly don't begrudge the folks who get this benefit, but it's not an issue I'm particularly invested in one way or another. But it is interesting to see a worthless POS MTG who lives off her husbands wealth and whose family business received a $140,000 or so PPA loan write off to attack people getting far less (on average) than she did...
I get it now. Libs claim Lucy is a face account and now I realize you're a conservative posting as an idiot to make libs look stupid.
Congratulation! It's working!
How did you get VA and SS payments? Was your father disabled?
You don't get those benefits just because he was a veteran.
I have no idea, I only know her from the dog park and just met her a month or two ago. I do know that she's recently retired from being a nurse at IU health, that her husband died of ALS prior to their son going to IU, and that she had a daughter a few years older than her son who died suddenly of a pulmonary embolism about 5 yrs ago. I think her son works for the forestry service in Colorado and I know she's driving out there next month for the wedding....
Is dead disabled? He died when I was 10, in 1965...He was 41..., and the last of my Grandma's 3 sons and husband to die of heart disease. All 3 of the boys died before age 45...
None of which has anything to do with compelling others to pay. Gofundme and taxes aren't the same
