No portal..
Really. ?
If that's the case Indiana is in the basement next year..Or very close ..
Texas ..8 transfers...Solid seed in selection Sunday..
Anyone else tired of "the sky is falling" and "fire Woodson"
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Really. ?
If that's the case Indiana is in the basement next year..Or very close ..
Texas ..8 transfers...Solid seed in selection Sunday..
Yeah I'm not buying the 'lack of talent' thing. I'm a broken record but I truly felt we needed to have an 'over achieving' season....we had the opposite.
I agree that the roster might not have been an exact, perfect match to what Woodson wants to do but...that's a unicorn statement. Most teams don't have an exact match...the best coaches work with what they got.
I don't know when we'll have another upperclassmen, pre season All American to anchor the team. Those are also unicorns.
Not sure when we'll have as many experienced older players as we did this season.
If everyone stays, we'll need some big breakouts to happen. Geronimo and Bates are going to need to be trusted scorers. I can see it happening (Geronimo has shown incredible flashes), but it hasn't yet.
Galloway will be a spark plug but...not sure how reliable he will be as a scorer.
Our post might be Durr and Duncome (who I really like as a prospect) but going to be a transformational downgrade. So transformational that we're going to completely change how our offense flows. I expect it will topsy turvy how our offense will run.
Our post offense and defense are most likely coming way down.
I expect the team will run through Bates, Geronimo, Galloway and Xavier.
Lots of wing focus.
I don't think the set up will be as complete as this year was, and since we underachieved and possibly killed momentum.... I'm officially really concerned now.
It's no where near. Perfect would be 3 ball handlers 1 thru 3 that are triple threat, a four that is a triple threat, and a post who is a rim protector and dunker. We check one spot the one most important to defense and least important to offense. If we had a perfect lineup a back to the basket post up would be option five.
We have a 1 that can't shoot 3's off the bounce when guarded. That's important. A 2 and 3 that can't drive, or create for themselves, or others. Nor can either shoot off the bounce (again important - look at Harper for an example how that can be used in close games) A four that can barely shoot, and is just recently converting to that position who plays much better in the paint, and a five that doesn't shoot past 15' .. that's a lot of ill fitting pieces.
Even Nebraska has players that can shoot off the bounce and create. We have Rob, who sometimes can, and most often can't. Tamar? The game is just too fast for him right now. Give him a year.. Trey can't shoot .. X, is open for a reason, at least he's burning them for doing it.
And seriously, yes, other teams have weaknesses, but start adding them up and see how they fit together.
Having a post go to guy, without perimeter balance almost always equals .. bad offense.
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Without the portal sadly we are botton feeders next year. We lose all our scoring basically. I dont like the portal either but we got nothing coming back per say if all the seniors leave.
I don't disagree but I'm not sure when we'll ever have that perfect set up.
I don't see it currently unless we get some tremendous growth or find some magic on the portal.
Other than the Rutgers game (where we did miss an exorbitant amount of wide open threes), our offense is what it is...a bottom of the conference offense.
I also don't think we had a challenging conference schedule (which is basically luck of the draw), so I can't point to that.
As much as we like to point to the close games that got away (and there are many), we tend to forget that we are an extremely tough three point shot by Rob from being no where near the bubble.
That stuff tends to even out.
I'm not calling for Woodson's head but I'd be lying if I wasn't disappointed with a 9th place finish, under 500 season with our roster (upperclassmen all American, three other Per 20 players, nearly the rest of the roster being five and four star recruits) especially compared to, what I believe is a substandard conference talent season (I'll be surprised if anyone other than Purdue makes it past the sweet sixteen).
I thought the tournament was the bottom level expectation so, I don't think it's butthurt, just really, really, really concerned now.
As you know I have a love/hate relationship with my coaches of my favorite team. Growing up in an era where we knew our coach was a tremendous advantage....I still believe a college coach can be a huge advantage. That's why I was big on Porter Mosier but Woodson came in and knocked everything out of the park, building some really good momentum.
Watching us underachieve, with an unknown college coach that's now in his 60's and then looking around at other NBA coaches that came to college (currently looking at Ewing at G-town) yeah.....my biggest fear is losing momentum.
This blows.
Appreciate the informative post as always!
Wow a real post with facts and honestly that will probably get trashed but 100% true. This team should have made the ncaa you are correct.
I didn't say that we wouldn't be in the basement next year. In fact, I can almost guarantee we will be. Using the portal to cover up and at best we might replicate this year's results and tie up a bunch of open spots by trying to patch things again for the same results. If we have holes, which we will, look to JC first and get actual talent that we can commit to and build on. This roster needs a major purge and what we have coming needs to be thrown to the fire from day1, that's the only way we break this losing mentality. They need to get tired of being mediocre and get tired of losing
I was just listening to the indiana sports beat and they said what I think. We have this all star coaching staff but is woodson actually listening to matta or fife? Matta is a coaching genius and we arent seeing it even though the roster is flawed. If he leaves after the season it is very telling. Same with fife.
Probably not, but closer than this. We need a playmaker.
Add that one guy that can dribble, create space, and make shots and it's a whole different team.
Like for example Wisconsin's flawed lineup, add that guy, it suddenly becomes conference champs. They had close games too. The difference. The player that could and did get his own, closing them. We don't even need a Davis, a Frazier would have been fine.
In modern basketball the post up has the least likely chance of succeeding, and in end game, in a close game, it doesn't work. Too many moving parts. then consider that TJD doesn't have that complex a skill package. Still hard to guard, for one person, but not a team. We have to hit perimeter shots to win.
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Yeah, if you add Davis to our roster we add a playmaker and a closer. We’ve struggled to execute late and he would help cure that.
The more interesting scenario is what would be the result if we completely flipped rosters with them? Too many hypotheticals to consider, especially as I am only on my first cup of coffee. Players aren’t robots, and where they play, who they play for and life and playing circumstances mold them into who they are. Perhaps Davis would be a different player if he was on Michigan, perhaps Davidson is the model of sportsmanship at NU. In any event, UW seems to be getting a lot of their programs success from the culture that they have built,the player development that they have, the coaching and the way that they mold players into their system.
I think IU could do the same with our staff. But it’s going to take time.
I'm tired of being a lousy program who can't qualify for a 68 team tournament. Don't need to fire Woodson now but he better produce next season. Players miss shots, commit turnovers whatever. Good coaches overcome adversity and find a way. So far Woodson has not. Next season is crucial to see significant improvement. And he better be able to recruit.
Or what? Fire him in year 2 because he doesn’t do what? Win 22? 23? 25? Jesus our fans are so unrealistic. Should Izzo have been fired in year 1 with 16 wins? How about year 2 with 17? How about two years ago when he won 19? Or two years ago when he won 15? Give the man some time and see if you like the direction of the program. If IU fires Woodson after year one or two, good luck every convincing anyone worth a damn to come here to coach.
I remember when we were 16-5 the same people saying Woodson is handcuffed with a lousy roster were singing his praises and talking about what a great coach he was. It went from he is a great coach to none of this is his fault and this team was never expected to make the NCAA,etc. The narrative changed very quickly from praise to it is not his fault.
Jesus Christ. You keep saying the same nonsensical shit. Every one is disappointed that the NCAAT is likely out of reach at this point barring some serious soul-searching, but this was never an NCAAT or else year. We have some good individual pieces but overall an extremely flawed roster. As others have pointed out, I'm far less concerned because our guys simply aren't executing rather than our coach getting out-schemed. There's a difference.
If execution is still lacking in year 2 it will be bothersome and if it continues into year 3 it becomes troublesome. Give Woodson at least a full year to get guys that fit his scheme and let the rest play itself out. You don't watch the games anyway so you don't need to worry anymore this year.
Just because water found its level doesn't really change the narrative on how good of a coach Woodson is. The incident at NW, right at a crucial time in the season which led to a 5 game losing streak, might be an indication of just how bad things got with player morale.
This was always an NCAA tournament or bust year. The roster was easily good enough especially with a down year from the B1G and a terrible year from the ACC.
Year 2 will be horrid. Not sure how you can look at what we are losing and think we will be better.
Yes......by necessity, our offense looks so out-of-date with R and T as our two best players. I really like the way the Rutgers center was used.....had as many points as T with 0 focus on getting him shots. Similar to how Baylor's bigs played last year.
It was also very noticeable when we played Wisconsin. When both teams were in the bonus we had race and TJD shooting FTs, they had Davis and Davidson. We can't win the close games that way.
TJD's departure will negatively impact the D more than the O.
What is this sure he can shoot the three but he sounds like a last minute crean recruit. We need help now not in four years.
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Indiana hosted numerous visitors for its game against Rutgers on Wednesday and a newer name that has recently started receiving more interest from Indiana is 2022 Centerville (OH) wing Rich Rolf.
Rolf is teammates with current 2023 Indiana commit Gabe Cupps at Centerville and made the trip to Bloomington for an unofficial visit.
The 6-foot-7 wing has had a spectacular season season averaging 17.4 points, 6.9 rebounds and 2.0 assists per game. He also shoots 57.8 percent from the field and 49.5 percent from three (54-of-109). He recently become a 1,000-point scorer for his career and is the all-time leading rebounder for the Centerville Elks basketball program.
Rolf was originally committed to Drexel but re-opened his recruitment back in October.
"The re-opening of my recruitment was a family decision," Rolf told TheHoosier.com. "I committed after taking an unofficial visit. When I went on my official visit, it just did not feel the same. I wanted something similar to what I’ve experienced at centerville and I just did not think Drexel was the best fit for me. Thus deciding for me to decommit."
Yeah recruiting this late always worries me as well. Hopefully we have done our due diligence and he can help sooner rather than later.
Make the tournament. That is not too much to ask. If we see no improvement next season, miss the tourney then do you want him around in year 3? I guess if we can't get anyone else but c'mon the dude has to at least squeak in the tourney. He should have done it this year.
He is not even listed on any recruiting boards. Like I said seems like a crean recruit. I am sure they like he hits threes at a high level but Drexel is not exactly top tier so I am guessing this is not an immediate help guy.
My guess is yes he would want him around for year three and probably even year four. Maybe Woodson would just leave after year two if it is a dumpster fire but I dout it ego is probably way too big.
I’m way more tired of people who are willing to accept perpetual mediocrity
So yes you would have fired Izzo after year two. Gotcha. And yes I personally would not fire any basketball coach prior to 4 years unless there was an utter collapse or off the court issues.
Just wow. Impressive that we are open so much…. Disappointing that we can’t take advantage of it.
The sky wont be falling if we beat purdue tomorrow. But alot of us would have to pinch ourselves to make sure we were not dreaming.
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