We know Baldwin pulled the trigger. Where the gun was pointed was his responsibility. He was not only the actor, he was the producer. He was the boss.
Here is the quote from USAToday:
1st paragraph: I have said that if he is the boss, he should be in trouble in that capacity, and his company should be fined into oblivion.
My Jack Ryan opinion was based on not reading any of the books, and I think he was pretty much overshadowed by all the other characters in the movie.
COH's official legal stance is that we don't need to worry about info or misinfo.
Disregard that. It was someone's opinion and not necessarily the protocol. In reading Baldwin's own comments, he was apparently shown how to check to make sure the gun was safe. That was outside the filming area though.
Ultimately/legally & otherwise, the person who is responsible to KNOW/CONFIRM the gun is loaded or unloaded, is the SHOOTER/person who points it & pulls the trigger.
Thanks for the update.
Baldwin was practicing his quick draw when the fatal shot was fired
Common sense dictates, any time you come in to contact with a firearm, AND PLAN ON PULLING THE TRIGGER, you ALWAYS CHECK/DOUBLE CHECK to make SURE the weapon is loaded or unloaded, & NEVER take only another person's word for the loading status of that firearm.
That makes sense. Anyone opening the chamber, such as the actor, would provide an opportunity to alter the secured setup.
Wrong.
I agree with most of that, but I'll take issue with this part of the statement. It's pretty darn obvious which is which.
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Yes, but Baldwin was still not the fail-safe point - for good reasons.I agree with most of that, but I'll take issue with this part of the statement. It's pretty darn obvious which is which.
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There were multiple people that are supposed to check prior to it being declared a cold gun that would be able to tell the difference too.
I agree with most of that, but I'll take issue with this part of the statement. It's pretty darn obvious which is which.
.45 Long Colt blanks
.45 Long Colt Balloon Blank Ammunition for Cowboy Mounted Shooting (50)
Designed for use in cowboy mounted shooting and quick draw competitions, these blanks use a coarse powder which is capable of popping balloons at close range and are certified and approved for all cowboy mounted shooting competitions.
.45 Long Colt ammo
There were multiple people that are supposed to check prior to it being declared a cold gun that would be able to tell the difference too.
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Agreed, that's why I said there were other people who were responsible that would be able to tell the difference.
Good grief, I'd hope so. It's not that hard and there's an obvious difference. If he can't. then everyone should take anything he says with a grain of salt.
And in his own words they showed him how to check to see if the pistol was safe when they initially had him pick one out for the movie.
Who is the "bimbette Britney" in this scenario - Baldwin, Souza the assistant director, or the woman who was the armorer?
I was thinking assistant director, since that is who handed the gun to Baldwin. Whomever hands the gun to the actor takes part in the final check. In theory that should be the prop person but it seems the union walked out on this so they weren't around.
I guess you missed where I said criminal charges must wait for the investigation. My comments so far are based on undisputed facts. I have no clue about the “real crime” you mentioned. I think in your haste to always criticize me you have lost your marbles, or maybe you are spending too much time in Mark’s trailer park. That needs further investigation.
So a set like this could have one armorist whose sole responsibility is to ensure the safety of the gun and be the person who hands the gun to the actor? One person; one job?
One of the things I read, and quoted somewhere here, was from an armorist that rules with a tight fist. He was the one cutting a scene because he saw dirt in the gun. That is what is needed, so I like your point. In this case I am not even sure their person was on set, or why else did the AD hand it over?
Until this thread, I was not familiar with the title “armorer”, but there is ONE person responsible for making CERTAIN live rounds aren’t in guns on movie sets. ITS NOT A JOB FOR A COMMITTEE. Whoever that was is what us lawyers call “the proximate cause“ of this accident.
I was wondering about that with regards to the labor issues prior to my team also taking a 54-7 beatdown. After the ass whipping, I'm still left wondering if it wasn't intentional to prove some sort of point about "scab" labor with the expected result being non-fatal.
Obligatory. 1995 Darwin Award winner.
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If the scene calls for him pointing the gun at a camera or another person, how is Baldwin at fault? I don't get it.
‘Fault” is a squishy word here. NRA safety rules say never point a weapon and pull the trigger at at something you don’t want to shoot—even if you believe the gun to be empty. If the director said otherwise, then changes need to be addressed. There should have been no problem with using a non-shooting replica that would discharge smoke.
Some blanks look like the photo you linked where the brass cartridge is crimped to almost a point. Other blanks are just a brass cartridge that's barely crimped, flat faced with cork, cotton, rubber or some other material to keep the powder in.
Remember the big hotel fire in Puerto Rico that killed almost 100?
Well, your last point is what I've been questioning from the beginning: why is Hollywood using guns that can shoot deadly projectiles at all? In the past I know they've used rubber or wooden ones.
Both Hoffa's kids went to law school. I didn't realize Jr is the head of the Teamsters. He went to Michigan Law. His daughter was a judge in Saint Louis for years.
