So, if an actor hands another actor a glass of wine in a scene where the hander was to poison the receiver, and minutes before, a stagehand negligently dropped some real poison into the glass, the hander is at fault?
Alec Baldwin fired prop gun that killed woman on film set of Rust
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Is it possible to tell visually that there is poison in the glass?
dumb.
There is a recognized standard of care for handling a gun. There is no standard of care for a glass. Baldwin violated the standard. We don’t know if he even knows what the standard is. Probably not criminal though.
Could Baldwin visually tell there was a real bullet? I don’t know. Have the specifics of this case become available?
How did Baldwin violate that standard? Have the specifics of this case been made public? Please tell. I really don’t know.
Yeah. You open the action and look. It's been posted that it happened while rehearsing a scene. It literally takes seconds to check a pistol to see if it's loaded. Every time you're handed one, that's the first thing you're supposed to do ITRW.
He at least had his finger on the trigger and wasn’t aware of where the gun was pointed That’s best case. Worst case he pointed the gun and he pulled the trigger.
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Once again, I confess my ignorance (a practice that is in short supply here). Would an actor know a difference between a gun loaded with a live round, and one loaded with a blank?
And to be clear, I don't give a shit about Baldwin. He was the weakest of the Jack Ryan's. His drunken phone call to his daughter years ago, and all other info seems to add up to his being a douche. He was sort of funny in 30 Rock, but I never saw him as Trump on SNL (past my bedtime). If he knew, or should have known, he should be held accountable. If not, I would hope he will do the only right thing he can do at this point, and that would be financially.
On the other hand, the person who handed him the gun and said it was clear should be in trouble, as should the production company that hired him, and I thought I read that it was Baldwin's production company (I may be imagining that).
The bottom lines are:
1. We don't know the particulars of the case yet.
2. Who really cares what happens to some rich Hollywood actor?
3. Let's not pretend for a second that the wailing, gnashing of teeth, and robe-rending isn't a result of Baldwin poking fun at Trump.
"No decent criminal defense attorney ..."
Dead wrong, gumshoe, slip & fall crook. Baldwin is criminally liable both as the director, & as the one who pulled the trigger of the gun. 'Legal experts' say you still don't know squat about law, common sense or zip. Stick to chasing slow ambulances & slower gimpy farm animals, Gomer.
This article proves you couldn't even represent yourself in court, fool for a client, moron.
https://nypost.com/2021/10/23/alec-...-in-shooting-of-halya-hutchins-legal-experts/
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Hell, I thought he played the best Jack Ryan.
The gun standard of care includes treating every gun as if it were loaded.
The casing on a blank is crimped with no bullet. An actual round has the bullet seated in the casing.
I should probably clarify that I have no idea about the criminal angle.to this, nor do I care. That will get sorted out by people who know and care.
At the end of the day, Baldwin had a pistol that he pointed at a person who was killed when it was discharged. That could have been easily avoided if he would have just checked it and he's going to have to live with that for the rest of his life.
I'm a fan of his work. I think he's a total asshole in real life. I don't think he's a murderer.
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We all know what happened, but none of us do. Baldwin is guilty/not guilty is CRAZY with what we know. Maybe, Maybe, he shot knowing she was there. Maybe she moved into his line of fire. Maybe hit sure line was blocked but that area was supposed to be clear. We do not know. Why not wait until real experts investigate?
A blank makes the same bang/noise as a real bullet? Why would anyone ever use real bullets on a set?
It's got powder and still goes bang. My experience is that they're a higher pitched bang, but that's going to vary by caliber and load.
As to why why live rounds would be on a set, I don't know of any reason why. Maybe there is for B roll shots or something? It makes no sense to me though.
No bullets were used. The reason a 'blank cartridge' has a wad/projectile inside it, is to hold in the gunpower inside the shell casing. Plastic is usually used as the wad/to hold in the powder, but wax or a gelatin substance can also be used.
Apparently the wad hit her in the chest. Most likely, the heart, & stopped her heart.
The usual/main difference between a live bullet round, & a blank round, the blank is supposed to (if loaded properly, or to usual safety standards) have less gunpowder in it (to make it safer), & the wad which is inserted instead of a bullet, is lighter & less dangerous than an actual lead or steel bullet. Wads are usually made of plastic, for safety, but can be made of other materials.
On a blank cartridge, I believe you can crimp the exit end & no wad is needed. Not sure why more sets & starters pistols don't use crimped blank cartridges though. Maybe cost difference? Normal uncrimped blank cartridges, I believe can be reloaded & used again. I don't think crimped shells can be reloaded?
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The actual main difference is that one has a bullet seated on top and one doesn't,
You're amazingly ignorant and annoying at the same time. That's not something that just any schmuck off the street cam pull off. Congrats.
Sweet, the New York Post found some lawyers who were willing to say what the Post wanted to hear. They got their name in the paper, that's nice for them.
A New York Post article doesn't prove anything. Nor do your silly insults about personal injury lawyers, since I'm not a personal injury lawyer. What do you think gumshoe even means? Is English your second language?
I have about a thousand former clients who disagree with you. But anyhow, I have things to do today. Get back to us when you find a link to the statute that defines 3rd degree murder in New Mexico.
EDIT: Sorry Spartans, didn't mean to quote you. This is all directed at "billy"
I stated that several times, you idiot. Now where was I incorrect???
Now we get crickets from the dipshi*
As Usual
I told you exactly where you were incorrect.
You will hear crickets now because you're on ignore.
Oh look, I caught another insult and B'S claim before you could edit it. LOL
Proves you can't even slip & fall represent, or chase ambulances correctly.
Stick to representing yourself
Fool for a client :O
You are quiet yet again, because I made you eat your own lies & bs, yet again. Crawl back in your hole, loser.
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This is such a good post, and then you ruined it by saying Baldwin was the weakest Jack Ryan.
It doesn’t have to be a real bullet. Even blanks are loaded with gun powder (sometimes more than a “real” bullet to increase the sound) and gasses under high pressure come out and small fragments can even come out as well. If the barrel of the gun is close enough to someone, even a blank can do serious damage. There was that story back in the 80s where an actor, as a joke, put a gun loaded with blanks up to his own head and pulled the trigger and he, presumably accidentally, killed himself as a result.
This was a tragic accident. But because Baldwin made fun of our Lord and Savior Donald Jesus Trump, the typical troglodytes have taken a break from sucking Trump’s dick and tickling his taint so they can use this tragic accident to bash Baldwin.
This is sort of my point. Without knowing the particulars, in my head, I imagine Baldwin being handed a "gun" just prior to a scene and told it was clear, or cold, or whatever. Someone then yells "Action" and claps that little doohickey, and Baldwin comes into view, aiming his "gun" off camera. When he pulls the trigger, as he has done in more than one movie, tragedy ensues. If I'm wrong, then I apologize for my ignorance.
In that scenario, if we are to assign percentage to blame, how do we divide the 100%? To me, the guy whose responsibility it was to inform the actor (who most assuredly is not a gun expert) gets the most, then the production company who hired the guy, then the schlub who was informed by the expert that he was firing a "gun" full of only noise and smoke.
(BTW, I put "gun" in quotes mainly because I assume that this is not a full on real gun that you would, for example, give to a cop or a soldier to do their jobs. I can only assume it's not a gun in the full sense of the word, regardless of how lethal it ended up being.)
We’ll probably never know. It could be that during the process of making that bullet a blank, a piece of metal or something could have fallen inside while being stuffed with the cotton or paper that is put into them. Or maybe the bullet casing was somehow weakened and the extra gun powder (they usually do have extra powder) caused a piece to break off and go flying.
Did they use real bullets on Baldwin's Rust set? I don't think they did, but I could be wrong. I believe the wad/wadding inside the blank cartridge struck her in the chest, & killed her? Few details have come out now, but they will surely trickle out this week.
Also sounds like normal safety & gun safety measures were seldom adhered to, if at all. Not good/ending well for Alec & co.
The way gun related terms are inaccurately thrown around by news outlets, who knows what "a live round" would even mean?
I believe they were referring to a live 'blank round' in it? The wad (usually made of plastic, to hold the powder in the shell) in a blank round has killed people before. I believe Brandon Lee (son of Bruce Lee) was killed by a blank round, on set, probably by being struck by the plastic wadding from the shell, when the gun was fired.
If a live round/real bullet was in that gun when fired, heads will roll on this real soon, but I think a blank round was used here.
Let me know if a real bullet was in the gun Baldwin fired at her.
I have no idea yet, but some have told the media that crewmen had taken the gun out for target practice.
Alec Baldwin-fired prop gun reportedly contained real bullet on Rust set
The prop gun that Alec Baldwin shot and accidentally claimed the life of Halyna Hutchins was allegedly used recreationally.Multiple sources linked to the Rust production, the movie set where the incident took...
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So, real quick, and I'm asking this totally non politically even though it won't feel like it, but how is this different than the Dick Cheney shooting? Other than the person shot in this instance died. Again, I use Dick Cheney b/c it's one where someone was shot entirely accidentally but suffered injuries b/c of the malpractice of another. I don't believe Cheney was ever criminally charged in that case.
State laws probably matter, etc. But if we're expecting Baldwin to be charged, quite frankly why wouldn't Cheney have experienced similar action?
State laws probably matter, etc. But if we're expecting Baldwin to be charged, quite frankly why wouldn't Cheney have experienced similar action?
I thought Lawrence Welk night was Saturday at the homes....
Yeah, that's what I've been thinking about too.
I understand that WC limits lawsuits against employers, but I never understood that WC blocked lawsuits against co-workers (of whatever legal status, (i.e. co-employees, co-independent contractors, whatever).
In addition, I'm sure the act(s) of commanding your fingers to put live/blank shells into a gun and commanding your mouth not to fully disclose the status of the gun, are intentional acts, so if local WC laws carve out exceptions for intentional acts, I'd think some of those exceptions apply to Baldwin's case (this doesn't seem like just random, absent-minded negligence)
Plus, a lot of people know that an employer is usually liable for injuries caused by the employer's agent doing the employer's business, but a lot of them incorrectly think this rule immunizes the employer's agent for the agent's own acts. However, I've always understood that (for example) both the pizza company and the pizza driver are separately liable if the delivery driver causes an accident while delivering a pizza.
My ultimate point would be that, in the Alec Baldwin case, there are lots of fairly-wealthy but non-employer other people on a movie set (co-workers, co-employees, or contractors, or whatever) whom I think might share liability no matter whether the corporate employer is protected by WC laws. Am I off base here?
Plus, even assuming foolishly that it's OK to have live rounds on the movie set, don't blanks look different than live rounds??
Unless the script calls for a closeup of an actor actually loading a gun, I don't know why movie blanks should ever resemble live rounds. Paint the live rounds red or something!
Yes, ignorant people don't realize they can be killed by a blank cartridge or even a Pepperball or beanbag "less lethal" round.
To this, I would add that someone should have been in charge of keeping the non-actors from wandering down range in the direction the director planned that Baldwin should fire (blanks or live).
