My understanding is that the role you describe is part of a movie crew when there are firearms involved.
Alec Baldwin fired prop gun that killed woman on film set of Rust
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In most instances, there is no difference in the guns that shoot live, bullet loaded rounds, & blank rounds. Usually, only the round in the gun is different here, & the gun being the same. Probably the case in this incident as well. In short, (usually) the gun is the same, but it can fire blanks or bullet loaded rounds.I have no idea yet, but some have told the media that crewmen had taken the gun out for target practice.
Alec Baldwin-fired prop gun reportedly contained real bullet on Rust set
The prop gun that Alec Baldwin shot and accidentally claimed the life of Halyna Hutchins was allegedly used recreationally.Multiple sources linked to the Rust production, the movie set where the incident took...www.google.com
We'll find out more later this week.
Where is the link or place/site/story you saw this, that fatal shot was from a real bullet???
Where did you see this information, that fatal round wasn't a blank cartridge???
Wow, just read that link (thanks). If that was a live, bullet loaded, round Alec fired, he is in a HEAP of trouble, in several ways, no matter if her family sues him in a civil suit or not.I have no idea yet, but some have told the media that crewmen had taken the gun out for target practice.
Alec Baldwin-fired prop gun reportedly contained real bullet on Rust set
The prop gun that Alec Baldwin shot and accidentally claimed the life of Halyna Hutchins was allegedly used recreationally.Multiple sources linked to the Rust production, the movie set where the incident took...www.google.com
I did read that round/projectile that hit her in the chest, & killed her, I didn't read about any blood involved. If there was blood involved, it most likely was a real bullet he fired, & killed her with.
Thanks again for the link
Not good
There will be multiple places where “rules” about who checks, clears, handles the gun will come from.
insurance policies
industry standards
union contracts
contracts between production companies and studios and companies and companies that employ actors and with the actors themselve)
New Mexico statutes (if they have enough movie making/theatre in-state to have generated them, or have added them to “standard” gun statutes.
somebody had the duty and authority to make sure the gun was safe
whoever left a live round in it will probably fave criminal charges
everybody else will get sued - and the workers’ comp and other liability issues will get sorted out. - and there will be some dismissals and some settlements.
there are now reports of union disputes over where they had to stay, what times they had to report for work, and even the hiring of some non-union replacements and a walk out.
God is in the details.
insurance policies
industry standards
union contracts
contracts between production companies and studios and companies and companies that employ actors and with the actors themselve)
New Mexico statutes (if they have enough movie making/theatre in-state to have generated them, or have added them to “standard” gun statutes.
somebody had the duty and authority to make sure the gun was safe
whoever left a live round in it will probably fave criminal charges
everybody else will get sued - and the workers’ comp and other liability issues will get sorted out. - and there will be some dismissals and some settlements.
there are now reports of union disputes over where they had to stay, what times they had to report for work, and even the hiring of some non-union replacements and a walk out.
God is in the details.
someone has never owned a gun..lol
Legendary Coach Bob Knight Involved in Multiple Gunshot Incidents
Bob Knight was synonymous with winning college basketball and controversy on the court. Off the court, he made headlines for multiple gunshot incidents.
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Having said that, legally, if Baldwin fired the shot that killed her, & it was a bullet, he obviously didn't check to see/make sure the gun wasn't loaded, or was loaded with a 'non lethal' load. He is still in a hell of a lot of trouble, legally, criminally, & with regard to the civil suits that come his way. Accident or not, he is still culpable for her death.
It's starting to sound like a live bullet was in that gun, & Baldwin not only pointed that gun at her (without checking to make sure the gun was totally unloaded), but to compound his mistakes/troubles, he pulled the trigger, while it was pointed at her.
Either way, he is in a heap of trouble. Her parents are very upset with her death, & want answers, now.
..., & reports of 'unsafe working conditions on set', by cast & crew members.
Her family is now in the driver's seat. They could bankrupt Alec, if they chose to.
Btw, you can't blame anyone but Baldwin for not checking the safety/loading status of that gun, because it was Baldwin who pointed it at her, then pulled the trigger, WITHOUT F-I-R-S-T checking to see/make SURE it was totally unloaded.
Bottom line here, BALDWIN pointed the gun at her, then pulled the trigger, without any outside help or sane reason.
Either way, he is in a lot of trouble, & should be.
Interesting read.
www.latimes.com
Paints it as the assistant director being responsible for the accident and notes that he was involved on the set of The Crow, where Brandon Lee was fatally shot by a prop gun that contained an actual live round.
www.latimes.com
In the 'Rust' set shooting death, a sharpened focus on the assistant director
The conversation among Hollywood production workers centers on Dave Halls and the role of the first assistant director on the set of 'Rust.'
www.latimes.com
Paints it as the assistant director being responsible for the accident and notes that he was involved on the set of The Crow, where Brandon Lee was fatally shot by a prop gun that contained an actual live round.
Alec Baldwin prop gun shooting stirs memories of Brandon Lee's tragic death
The shooting death of cinematographer Halyna Hutchins reminds many of what happened to actor Brandon Lee on the set of "The Crow." Here's a timeline of that case.
www.latimes.com
When I was a young one, I was working the region steel mills and one of the guys that did work roll rebuilds was standing near a roll where the bearing was being extracted from a used roller by an overhead crane. There was a collar bolt on the floor and when the bearing was freed it landed on the bolt in such a way that it projected the bolt into his rib/ sternum. It pierced his heart or another conduit. He died. Projectiles near that area are very dangerous.
Solid analysis, MTIOF. Person with the duty and authority to make sure the gun is safe is the armorist and that really is their only duty.
Joel Souza is the director. I believe that Baldwin is an EP on it. I would be shocked if he had much of anything to do with on-set operations. That's really the line producer's to oversee as much as anyone.
My understanding is that an actor is not supposed to check the chamber of a set weapon. My understanding of the reasoning there is that it could cause problems with what the armorist has packed. An assistant director sometimes deliver weapons and the details of the exchange there is likely a key point in this. The armorist or the AD is supposed to deliver a weapon that is safe to use in the manner it is intended to be used. And actors are not supposed to do anything other than what they are instructed to do.
My understanding and observation is that anyone that would put their life in the hands of Alec Baldwin is probably going to be disappointed. First point of safety….what can go wrong will go wrong. Check check and double check.
Prolly should not have rolled up on AB …seems like an innocent goofball… if you put unsafe actions in coordination with unsafe conditions…you get very ugly outcomes
Baldwin is a murderer and should be sitting in jail.
All this meaningless gabble is a waste of time.
Only morons point a loaded gun at people unless shooting them is the purpose.
And ALL weapons are loaded, until cleared.
Baldwin's 'progressive' hateful ignorance has earned him just what he deserves.
I would dispute this.
Blanks generally contains much less propellant than live rounds of the same caliber.
True, but I read yesterday they often want the noise so keep the same amount.
Why they don't add sound in post production surprises me.
I suspect much like anything else, cost. Probably cheaper to just have the sound captured at the time the action is captured.
Gunpowder is cheap.
So he was practicing drawing into the camera. The film shot was to be with the camera directly in front of him drawing and shooting.
I read that when this type of film shot is done, plexiglass is put before crew. I do not know if it was there, but I am not sure it would stop a 44.
Probably not. I bet it's a safety precaution designed only for a possible fragment or something that could be ejected with a blank.
Like I've said, I suspect a whole lot of changes and soul searching are coming. I also bet there are a ton of other safety violations which are going to come to light as well. Maybe @hoosboot can comment on how regulated the movie making industry is there days. You hear about accidents and such but I don't really pay much attention.
Somebody suggested that everyone who handles a real gun in a movie production be required to take the NRA kids gun safety course. Not a bad idea. If Baldwin followed those simple rules, Hutchins would be alive today. Baldwin is not totally at fault, but he had the last clear chance to ensure her safety.
Feel horrible for the guy. He has to be destroyed over this thing
Agreed. You don’t have to like somebody to feel sorry for them.
I was reading an article by a Hollywood Armorer. He said he prepares the guns and no one else is allowed to touch them until he hands them to the actor(s). He puts in exactly the number of blanks required The second the scene is wrapped he takes them back. Any breaks he takes them back. If he sees anything amiss, he yells cut and stops the scene. He spoke of a movie where an actor was to fall of his horse and come up shooting. He noticed dirt go into the barrel and yelled cut before the actor could continue as a dirt clod or small rock could be a real problem. He said he stores the guns in a safe when not needed.
It sounds this set was much more lax. I don't know how much expertise actors need to have. If the blanks are crimped, as they most certainly will be, how easy is it for an actor to look and note a blank over a real round? The armorer has to be certified, which I suspect requires even more training.
I read this morning that having the actor check the gun violates protocol and causes the whole process to start again. I'll try to find it and link it. I was dumbfounded when I read that though.
So, is the actor at all responsible for checking the gun before the scene?
You just answered my question about 10 seconds before I asked Marvin.
Interesting if true.
As I understand it, no. The armorer doesn't want the actor to mess with what they have set up.
The actor is responsible for knowing where the gun is pointed when fired. This wasn’t an accidental discharge, it was a negligent discharge.
Do we know all the facts yet? Marvin said Baldwin was in a shot where he was to shoot at the camera. I'm not saying that is true either, because I'm not sure they have released all the details. If you have some insider info that you are privy to and can share, have at it. If what Marvin says is the case, he knew exactly where it was pointed.
Again, I'm not a gun expert, or a legal expert, or a gun law expert, but I think we are all on the same level of knowledge of the details of this situation. We are all equally ignorant.
