Why The Democrats Lost/Why The Democrats Think They Lost
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You've got plenty of liars like Clinton. People just don't believe them anymore.
Hell, I'll go and pass the bar and help these guys out for the cheap price of hookers and blow.
I'll bet at least the senate or the house will flip the next election because both parties are really good at shooting themselves in the foot. Neither one has the ability to use a common sense approach to reading what is important to voters. Both think they know what is best for us.
All politicians are serial liars.... Trump is at the top of the list I think people realize that most lie so they discount most of them.
- The Democrats lost because they didn't select someone more middle of the road
- They lost because most people are not as concerned about pronouns as they are
- People are tired of being talked down to
- The leaders of the party do NOT represent the nornal everyday Democrat
There's a lot of truth there. If they have to do something a lot will just stay home. If someone would take a ballot to their home they would vote but if they have to do anything other than fill out the ballot they'll just stay home.
Of course the Rs will say we're better off and Ds will say we're worse off but people look at their own situation and determine that for themselves.
Why do you think right of center politics and populism is rising in Europe and other parts of the world (Argentina)?
The KDR house at Franklin College have tunnels underneath. They say they were used for the Underground Railroad. I can neither confirm or deny the claim.
The part that stood out to me was:@Marvin the Martian
I Raised $50 Million for the Democrats. This Week, I Voted for Trump.
The Democratic Party turned its back on me and my family long before I turned my back on it.www.thefp.com
When you consider what the modern Democratic Party has become, you begin to understand how they lost touch with their base. At the home of a major donor, a billionaire who lives in a mansion overlooking San Francisco Bay, I listened to the speakers hoping to raise funds for the 2022 midterms. Waiters dressed in black with silver trays bounced between wealthy elites. The speakers outlined their strategy for winning the midterms and the 2024 election saying: “We no longer want to win the working class. We don’t need those people anymore. They’re gone forever. The future will be young Latinos and people of color.”
I was infuriated by this talk. I also thought: That is going to be a good way to get Donald Trump reelected.
I encountered the same social snobbery as always, with consultants and higher-ups looking down on volunteers. Donor suites and corporate media suites intermingled in the same area, and extremely rich people mindlessly chanted “joy” and “respect.” Harris had no policies or programs on her website, and yet, an arena of tens of thousands seemed deliriously high, spellbound by her identity as a woman of color running for president. Her political emptiness allowed them to project their own hopes and desires onto her.
And the irony of this is that, if they just stayed in their lane and tended well to the things they’re supposed to tend to, most people are capable of determining what’s best for themselves and a society is at its best when its people are laboring to pursue those things within a set of sensible and properly enforced rules.
“The legitimate object of government, is to do for a community of people, whatever they need to have done, but can not do, at all, or can not, so well do, for themselves—in their separate, and individual capacities.
In all that the people can individually do as well for themselves, government ought not to interfere.” — Abraham Lincoln
The problem with this formulation — and some Dems are catching on — is seeing this as two different constituencies.
But that gets right to the crux of identity politics, doesn’t it? If you’re oriented towards looking at people strictly through a prism of identity (be it racial, ethnic, religious, or otherwise), you are bound to end up viewing at least some of their interests differently than they themselves view them.
Exhibit A is Donald Trump promising to deport millions of illegal immigrants…and getting a larger share of the Latino vote than any Republican candidate since 2004. This has befuddled Democrats — some of whom liken it to chickens voting for Colonel Sanders.
My shithouse theory is that 2nd and 3rd generation Cubans, Mexicans, and Puerto Ricans don't feel any great affinity for Guats and Hondos and Venzus. It's moronic to view them as one constituency.
That's true as well. Even within the construct of cultural and ethnic identity, Latinos are not a single homogeneous group.
But also, people are going to tend to favor what they perceive as their own interests over whatever is presented to them as being in the interests of any identity group to which they belong. These interests could certainly be aligned. If a gay couple wants to be married and adopt a child, then their interest in doing so is aligned with the broader interests of rights of marriage and adoption for same-sex couples.
But this won't always be the case -- and may help to explain why working class Latinos probably have similar views on illegal immigration than working class people from other racial and ethnic groups.
The quoted individual from the fundraiser above made a clear distinction between the "working class" and "young Latinos and people of color". And I honestly think it's going to be hard for Dems to get the crap back in that horse. There are absolutely going to be influential groups and people who have a vested interest in this paradigm.
I agree and would add 2nd and 3rd generation Cubans, Mexicans, Puerto Ricans are more likely to be negatively impacted economically by new immigrants. They're no longer the cheapest labor option.
I think the more we look at actual data, though, the more you'll see that the mass of people do not do so well for themselves as they could if some experts helped them in areas you might not want govt involved in, given your past posts. The more we study these things, though, the more we see that people are not, by and large, rational actors on many important things in their lives. See, e.g., @mcmurtry66 love-life decisions.
Re investing, for example, I think this is especially true. The middle ground might be the concept of defaults used in conjunction with knowledge of human's natural irrationality. It has worked really well with default enrollment and investment vehicles (target date funds, broad market indexes) in 401k plans, for example.
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Hey, I spoke to Mrs. Willdog and she said you voted for Trump. Welcome to team MAGA my friend.
You should speak up more at your secret Soros meetings. The Dem powers-that-be need to hear this. But they are so entrenched in "POC" language and intersectional oppressor ideology, I don't think they'll buy it.
Craze, your response brought up some possible party leadership candidates which didn't exactly light my fire.
In the past when the Democratic and Republican National Committees had more power they took charge when an apparent leader such as an encumbent president wasn't available. Seems to me those days may very well have given way to self appointed leaders as Trump managed to become prior to the 2016 primary.
So who to is say the next Dem leader won't be a rich and popular celebrity who has never held an elective office.
Thus choices could include celebrities not having held public office along with the Newsoms, Shapiros, and Pritzkers.
Newsoms and Pritzkers just got curb stomped by the country. They are exactly who america outside of their little bubble want nothing to do with. Horrible policies that america just repudiated. Hell even in calif the vapid woke idiot soros mayors and DAs are getting recalled. Those two would never get elected outside of the farthest left echo chambers. If they prop those two up the left will have learned nothing
@Marvin the Martian
I Raised $50 Million for the Democrats. This Week, I Voted for Trump.
The Democratic Party turned its back on me and my family long before I turned my back on it.
When you consider what the modern Democratic Party has become, you begin to understand how they lost touch with their base. At the home of a major donor, a billionaire who lives in a mansion overlooking San Francisco Bay, I listened to the speakers hoping to raise funds for the 2022 midterms. Waiters dressed in black with silver trays bounced between wealthy elites. The speakers outlined their strategy for winning the midterms and the 2024 election saying: “We no longer want to win the working class. We don’t need those people anymore. They’re gone forever. The future will be young Latinos and people of color.”
I was infuriated by this talk. I also thought: That is going to be a good way to get Donald Trump reelected.
Ok, this is a great post and I will have a serious follow-up, but can we first warn our friend @mcmurtry66 to stay clear of KC?
At one point, she sold all the wedding rings from her six previous marriages to ensure I had the tuition for a semester at the community college
Dude I’ve been maced, hit in the face with hot hair irons, left out of town multiple times, had my dog listed on Craig’s list, had F*UCK OFF written in sharpie on my NCAA Tournament Certificate and on and on and on. That woman has six wedding rings BECAUSE SHE BRINGS IT!!!!! PASSION!!!! She’ll get lucky seven. You don’t have to worry about that
Don’t tell people you’re a lawyer!
@Marvin the Martian
I Raised $50 Million for the Democrats. This Week, I Voted for Trump.
The Democratic Party turned its back on me and my family long before I turned my back on it.
When you consider what the modern Democratic Party has become, you begin to understand how they lost touch with their base. At the home of a major donor, a billionaire who lives in a mansion overlooking San Francisco Bay, I listened to the speakers hoping to raise funds for the 2022 midterms. Waiters dressed in black with silver trays bounced between wealthy elites. The speakers outlined their strategy for winning the midterms and the 2024 election saying: “We no longer want to win the working class. We don’t need those people anymore. They’re gone forever. The future will be young Latinos and people of color.”
I was infuriated by this talk. I also thought: That is going to be a good way to get Donald Trump reelected.
So I like this author's style and I think she largely is correct, but I reject the idea that these 7 million men (per the article) that refuse to work are simply a byproduct of inability to make enough money. There are still people who are elevating themselves by working two jobs, going to trade school, etc. There is, and always will be, an element of laziness among those individuals who give up.
Worse than that, there are addiction issues - drugs and alcohol, video games, porn, etc. that are preventing them from reaching a semblance of independence.
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Cough...cough.....cough......cough.....cough....every Bitcoiner on the planet has outperformed the experts the past 15 years. As for diversification, tell your son, never sell the winners to buy the losers.
And both parties would lump them into one group. Those higher ups in the party are really smart...NOT.
Yeah, I definitely think investing is one place where a lot of people need help because most people don't strudy or aren't interested in investing. There's so much information out there but it can be really simple. Most people should NOT buy individual stocks (One exception Berkshire Hathway but it's really more of an ETF than a stock) because the risk is too great and something can always happen that can make it drop like a rock. There are places (free) that will recommend simple profolios for a normal individual that wants to make everything simple.
I thought I read that almost all incumbents have lost elections post Covid. There are probably other reasons, but it’s almost undeniable that incumbents were caught holding the bag. Regardless of how they governed of how their respective countries are doing, that has factored in.
And the fact that Trump is a horrible, morally bankrupt person is still there.
The problem is Harris did run a middle of the road campaign. She didn’t mention pronouns or even transgender people on the campaign trail. She ran on tax cuts for the middle class, a stronger border and better end of life care.
Maybe she should have scapegoated an immigrant population and simulated oral on a microphone.
A dear friend suddenly became disabled to the point of not being able to work. In visiting him I became aware he had given up on life and was completely dispondent.
Upon getting therapy after my visit he discovered he had become addicted to work. It is called workalcoholism. A disease which causes a dependence on work to the point of being a destructive mental disorder.
So among the list of addictions we can add work alongside of drugs, alcohol, porn, etc.
Sad to note, In spite of therapy my depressed friend has replaced his work addiction with alcohol addiction and is managing to kill himself. Refuses to admit he has replaced one addiction for another.
Of course she did but she has a history and as the old saying goes "a leopard never changes it spots" (or something like that). It just shows how far above us those people think they are... they think we're all stupid. Trump didn't change... he's been an arrogant asshole from the start.
I'm really pulling for Josh Shapiro.
I may or may not vote for him if he's nominated -- we'll see. But I feel like the country would be in good hands if he were elected. He seems pragmatic, not dogmatic....kind of like Govs. Youngkin and Kemp on the Republican side.
Nasty, nasty woman. Thankfully doesn't qualify to run for president. Wouldt win anyway.One small problem there.
Was Stewart saying border security was not a wokeness issue?
Every nation on the planet has borders, and laws on who can come in, when, how and how long they stay. But to Dims and their propagandists and propaganda receptacles, only the US borders and policies are racist, and only when a Republican is in the White House.
Remember how the Dims cried (literally) about Republicans separating children from families (while making sure they were real families and not sex traffickers)? No tears about 300,000 kids MISSING altogether due to the open “asylum” (what an ironic term) border policies. To the contrary, if asked about this issue, they just accuse the questioner of being deplorable garbage.
Woke on steroids.
Pointing out Democrat hypocrisy to the dead ears on Dims has elected Trump twice. And even Stewart, trying to point out the dead ears, swings and misses.
I need a 4 year vacation.
Speaking of the unanticipated consequences of shitty border policies …
It's not a theory. It's a fact and you can add 1st generation too.
Worked with Hispanics for almost a decade. Mexicans don't like Hondurans. Neither like Guatemalans. None of them like Nicaraguans.
My former manager at Catalent was Puerto Rican but other than that haven't spent much time around Cubans or Puerto Rican.
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