What do evangelicals believe these days
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So you want tRump to be impeached then? Because apparently you aren't aware of how this all works.
If he wasn't making up nonsensical BS, he would never have anything to say.
Poll: Majority of Republicans say Trump better president than Lincoln
https://thehill.com/homenews/admini...icans-say-trump-better-president-than-lincoln
https://thehill.com/homenews/admini...icans-say-trump-better-president-than-lincoln
Trump was half right that he could shoot someone and his followers would not care. The reality is they would love it. They would not be able to contain their glee that liberals were upset the president shot someone.
Has anyone heard a Trump supporter say they would turn on him if he shot someone?
Lol if you watched any of that and think that was hearsay and opinion. My guess is you know nothing about it. Trump doesn’t want a Senate trial anymore than he wants to testify. As usual, he’s lying. But it won’t matter, if you don’t believe the person who donated a million dollars to him , who heard it directly from him, who are you going to believe? Or Trump’s chief of staff?
Of course they think that. They are still ticked about the Emancipation Proclamation.
What's more, is that they fail to recognize the subjects of their anger were brought about by their own past decisions.
You are supporting a man, who by proxy, argued in Federal court that he could shoot someone on Fifth Avenue with impunity.
It's sad that I should have to continue and qualify the previous statement, but it will be obvious to most readers of this forum why I must. I'm not fearful of the President going on a rampage and shooting anyone. I'm worried because it is wholly unamerican to believe anyone is above the law, including the POTUS.
Every American should condemn this. Not because they should hate Trump, but because we should fear what the next President, or the President 100 years from now could do with this power.
At some point the ends can't possibly justify the means. I applaud your conviction, but you are your own worst enemy. You have two problems. The first, is that you don't know. The second- and by far biggest problem- is that you don't know, you don't know.
Edit to clarify: In summation: you're supporting a murderer, because Democrats have parking tickets. Figuratively...of course.
Edit to add:
https://www.c-span.org/video/?46517...ns-audio-only&live&start=2833
As you listen to the arguments, it is helpful to remember that Trump is in violation of the emoluments clause.
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This Ezra Klein piece is really interesting. It lays out the fear of the inevitable that is driving the Christian right. They know they are losing to changing demographics and are desperate. They are fighting using all available tactics, regardless of legal or moral propriety
The post-Christian culture wars
The Trump administration’s two most revealing speeches weren’t given by Trump.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.vo...ald-trump-christians-william-barr-impeachment
The post-Christian culture wars
The Trump administration’s two most revealing speeches weren’t given by Trump.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.vo...ald-trump-christians-william-barr-impeachment
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So the president wants a Senate trial, that is like saying he wants the sun to come up in the east in order to display his godlike control over the known universe. I can understand why you would be in agreement.
I do give the president credit for accomplishing an impossible task though, making Pence appear to be a shiny alternative.
You’re usually a serious poster so I’m guessing you’re just joking. This “Trump could shoot . . . and not lose supporters” thing is just a dumb thing among many dumb things said repeatedly all across the political spectrum in today’s crazy political world. If Trump pulled out a gun and shot Nancy Pelosi in a meeting or Joe Biden in a debate, he’d not be President within minutes and no one of any consequence would protest it. Only the craziest of the crazy would “support” him at that point and they wouldn’t matter.
Five years ago, if I said a president would call a foreign leader and say, "hey, I will send you your foreign aid if you investigate my opponent", do you think anyone would have thought 90% of one of the parties would wholly defend it?
Trump was making fun of his sycophantic followers. They still do not realize they were being made fun of yet there is no other possible interpretation of that line. I might as well join in making fun of the sycophants working on the so far proven theory they are too dumb to realize it.
The wife of Lot got turned to salt, because she looked behind her. Christians are not going to second guess the miracle of 2016..
I disagree. Trump's base would be ecstatic if he pulled out a gun and shot Nancy Pelosi. Republican Senators and Congresspeople would rally to his side less they get primaried out of the party. The right sees itself as being at war with liberals right now. What you don't get is that there is no line the right won't be able to rationalize crossing in the interests of staying in power.
By the way, it wouldn't be the first time that one American politician shot another. https://www.history.com/news/charles-sumner-caning-cilley-duel-congressional-violence
Trump isn't making fun of his supporters he is demonstrating dominance. They love that Trump makes people kneel before him. Like Pence, they willingly kneel themselves and are thrilled to watch others be forced to kneel as well. They have transformed Trump into a religious figure. This allows them to see their supplication to Trump as a religious act. They interpret Trump's fickle and arbitrary nature to the intervention of a God whose reasons must be a mystery to mere humans. They see Trump's abuse and humiliation of others as the work of the vengeful God they worship. They love that those who kneel before Lord Trump are rewarded with privilege and power while those who don't kneel are smote and punished--not in heaven but here and now.
Frankly, I think that’s absolutely ridiculous. Not a single congressman would rally to support him after he shot Pelosi. That’s absurd.
Do you really have confidence that you can predict the bottom for Trump supporters? I sure as hell don’t. Did you predict that the GOP would be the pro-Russia party?
They would say stuff like Trump didn't shoot Pelosi, she shot herself and the media that says otherwise is fake news. They would say it was actually the Democrats who shot Pelosi. To admit that Trump committed a crime is increasingly impossible for the GOP because to admit that is to admit that they themselves have been accomplices to all the crimes he has already committed. This is how stoogification works.
Look in the mirror. This really is over the top. Just like posting conservatives were going to kill you and Aloha. Go back and read some of the most hate filled lib posters on here. Their posts would make you wonder if they wish for dead republicans.
They probably see some parallels between Lot's relationship with his daughters and Trump's strange remark about his young daughter too.
Trump is the Chosen One, you know, so it's OK with them if he salivates over his own daughter.
You do not think it is an insult to suggest one's followers are so blinded they could never turn against one, no matter what? To me, being a kool aid drinker is clearly an insult.
It dodges the question for you to write "Not a single congressman would rally to support him." Please give us examples of Republican congressmen who would oppose Trump or speak out against him if he did that. I don't think you can reliably think of any except Romney. The other Republicans are afraid to oppose Trump on anything.
Trump has pointed to media and encouraged conservatives to harass them in person at his rallies. He has encouraged conservatives to attack protestors. One of his conservative followers sent explosives to opponents.
Once an attack starts, a death is always possible. Conservatives don't rise up in protest against Trump for encouraging violence.
Why in the world do you think they would speak out against Trump if he personally attacks someone when they don't speak out against him when encourages attacks by others?
There’s no basis for your confidence that Trumpbots have a breaking point. I have no idea what they’d do if Trump shot someone, but I’ve seen Trumpbots in a focus group defending Trump in response to a hypothetical shooting. “It depends on why he shot them,” one said.
ALL of them would. It’s absolutely absurd to suggest otherwise.It dodges the question for you to write "Not a single congressman would rally to support him." Please give us examples of Republican congressmen who would oppose Trump or speak out against him if he did that. I don't think you can reliably think of any except Romney. The other Republicans are afraid to oppose Trump on anything.
Trump has pointed to media and encouraged conservatives to harass them in person at his rallies. He has encouraged conservatives to attack protestors. One of his conservative followers sent explosives to opponents.
Once an attack starts, a death is always possible. Conservatives don't rise up in protest against Trump for encouraging violence.
Why in the world do you think they would speak out against Trump if he personally attacks someone when they don't speak out against him when encourages attacks by others?
Autocrats and authoritarian dictators kill their opposition. Its how they roll. Its what Putin does, its what Kim does, its what the Chinese do, its what the various military dictatorships did in South and Central America. Trump lauds dictators and despises democracy.
You're claiming to predict the future without referring to any facts to support it. I pointed to Trump's indisputable history of encouraging confrontation.
Surely, a smart guy like you does not deny that Trump intentionally encourages confrontation, do you?
Did you watch the GOP simply turn their backs on the Kurds? Did you watch as they welcomed Erdogan along with Trump at the White House? Are you listening as folks like Perry and Nikki Haley tell us that Trump is the "chosen one"? Did you ever imagine you would hear Republican politicians saying such a thing? Did you ever imagine you would hear a Fox news personality say that he was "rooting for Russia" over Ukraine? The absurdities you have already watched should cause you to question your judgement about what is truly absurd and what isn't.
Trumpbots are absurd:
CNN's Alisyn Camerota speaks with a group of six female swing voters from swing districts of rural Pennsylvania about what impact the impeachment inquiry has had on their opinion of President Donald Trump and under what circumstances they would support him.
"Is there anything he could do or that could happen that would make you not vote for him?” host Alisyn Camerota asked.
"No," one panelist identified as Crystal said.
"If he shot someone on 5th Avenue, would you vote for him?" Camerota asked.
"You’d have to know why he shot him," another panelist chimed in.
"Yeah, why did he shoot him?" Crystal agreed.
What are you guys doing? The notion is absurd and I’m no longer going to participate in an absurd discussion. I’m watching football anyway.
Those who assume there is a bottom that human beings can't sink beneath doesn't know human history.
I think you are completely right about congressmen, but they are not the question. Sparty and the rest of the anonymous internet represent the question I have.
Former MLB player Aubrey Huff was quoted that he was teaching his kids to shoot in case Bernie wins. Honestly, I believe far too many would enthusiastically defend Trump because they would view a murder superior to a Democrat.
As you know, and I know, they could have gotten a Supreme Court nominee and a tax cut with every single Republican that ran in 2016. The Trump supporters want something other than a conservative agenda. They want that authoritarian. What could be a stronger authoritarian than a murderer.
What backbone have you seen from GOP congresspeople so far? I think you and I agree about the current GOP voters and that fact is determinant.
No point in talking. I am not going to resort to insults, therefore I am out of this convo.
See, here's what today's conservative posters on this board fail to recognize about Haley's and Perry's anointment of Trump as the Chosen One.
It is undoubtedly anti-Protestant (i.e. against the religion of Trump's base) to suggest that Trump is tantamount to a deity or to worship him as such. The transcripts of Haley's and Perry's remarks go even further than just calling him "The Chosen One" in passing. Even Charlton Heston (former five-term president of the NRA) knows that "Thou shalt have no other gods before me."
Second, it defies popular culture because, well, everybody knows who the Trump supporters are trying to displace:
So far when it comes to understanding the GOP voter base Trump is a much better judge than Republican elites. But have a great afternoon.
Ah. You evade the question by blaming football and claiming something is "absurd." I get it. After all, how can anybody discuss anything at all to do with Trump without sooner or later encountering the word, "absurd"? That gives you an out, you think.
What are you guys doing? The notion is absurd and I’m no longer going to participate in an absurd discussion. I’m watching football anyway.
Here are the givens.
Trump creates confrontation and chaos and claims this is his negotiating style. Conservatives praise him for creating confrontation and chaos.
You're in a corner, so you refuse to acknowledge it. You're not watching football that much, chickenspit.
We have so far not observed any crime or depravity by Trump that the GOP won't ignore or excuse. I suppose if Trump were to nominate a liberal judge to the Supreme Court the GOP might rise up but honestly I am not even sure about that.
What are you guys doing? The notion is absurd and I’m no longer going to participate in an absurd discussion. I’m watching football anyway.
