What do evangelicals believe these days

[IUclover]

If I voted for an abortion advocate I would be a hypocrite. Donald Trump has been a pro life President. I believe in lower taxes and less government regulation. If I voted for Hillary I would be a hypocrite. Donald Trump has been just exactly what I have wanted. In fact I am surprised he is governing conservatively. I am not for anybody and everybody having a right to enter the country if they choose. If I voted for Hillary I would be a hypocrite. Yet Donald Trump is doing his best to continue to build the Wall, putting his son in law in charge of it.

What if I told you Trump has paid for abortions? You will likely ask for proof but, either way, I'm sure you do consider it a possibility. By they way, Trump is not religious nor does he have a legitimate stance on abortion, hence, why he has paid for abortions.

And you're talking about a son in law who shouldn't have ever been given a security clearance and has done ABSOLUTELY NOTHING for foreign policy other than help himself and family personally profit.

Happy Thanksgiving.

 

[Standard Issue]

If I voted for an abortion advocate I would be a hypocrite. Donald Trump has been a pro life President. I believe in lower taxes and less government regulation. If I voted for Hillary I would be a hypocrite. Donald Trump has been just exactly what I have wanted. In fact I am surprised he is governing conservatively. I am not for anybody and everybody having a right to enter the country if they choose. If I voted for Hillary I would be a hypocrite. Yet Donald Trump is doing his best to continue to build the Wall, putting his son in law in charge of it.

Trump is an abortion advocate, his current stance is a matter of convenience for the rubes.

He was a known entity when he ran for office.
He's amoral.
He's a narcissist.
He lies.
He cheats.
He's treasonous.
He's dictatorial.

Voting for him says a lot about you and your character.

 

[Hoopsdoc1978]

He isn’t a Muslim tho? So your straw man has no relevance. He is a phony Christian And introducing a what if Muslim into a “conservative Christian” analogy is pointless. The evangelical support and rationalization required for said support of a pathological liar are inherently incompatible, hypocrisy at its worst. VPM is a prime example.

Wow.

Its actually a fine analogy. You just don’t like what it says about you.

 

[37Hoosier]

Wow.

Its actually a fine analogy. You just don’t like what it says about you.

You have nothing to say, that much is clear.

 

[Cream&Crimson]

Donald Trump has been just exactly what I have wanted.

Congratulations.

 

[HillzHoozier]

He's treasonous.
He's dictatorial.

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[Cream&Crimson]

If I voted for an abortion advocate I would be a hypocrite. Donald Trump has been a pro life President. I believe in lower taxes and less government regulation. If I voted for Hillary I would be a hypocrite. Donald Trump has been just exactly what I have wanted. In fact I am surprised he is governing conservatively. I am not for anybody and everybody having a right to enter the country if they choose. If I voted for Hillary I would be a hypocrite. Yet Donald Trump is doing his best to continue to build the Wall, putting his son in law in charge of it.

What's really sad is that in trying to defend yourself against accusations of hypocrisy, you proved your own hypocrisy in this post.

You are a blatant, ignorant hypocrite, as stated in that post. Nice work.

 

[VanPastorMan]

You support blatant lying, adulterous behavior, fleecing others, law breaking, undermining America, racist behavior...yes, you are hypocrit rationalizing your phony religious life away

I agree that Donald Trump has been an adulterer. Christians voted for Bill Clinton though he was ad adulterer too.

 

[VanPastorMan]

Because his son in law has done a fine job of building peace in the Middle East. There isn’t going to be a wall, as soon as the moron is out of office, we will stop wasting money on that nonsense. All that’s done so far is repairing some areas. So give up on your fantasy of some giant wall across the south keeping out all the brown people you are so afraid of. No one is an abortion advocate, so stop with that nonsense. Ever wonder how many Trump has actually paid for? My guess is more than one. It says a lot a lot about you that Trump has been exactly what you wanted, it reconfirms the fact that you are not a very good Christian , and just like Trump, never take a moment to self reflect and try to learn. It’s really sad, I wish you could find a mentor.

I didn't vote for Trump during the Primary. I was a Cruz guy. If you guy by issues, and that is the issue when you are voting Trump was a better choice than Hillary Clinton. He is a better choice than the socialists on the Democrat stage right now. How many Democrats would restrict abortion in any way? Trump has fought for the unborn unlike them. Friend you are way off on a lot of issues. It has nothing to do with being afraid of law breakers. It's about right and wrong. We are either a nation of laws or not. You also want to make it unethical to vote for Trump. That is laughable. Seriously, you can tell me that the Democrats are virtuous? lol

 

[VanPastorMan]

If you voted for someone who -- with intentional cruelty -- separated children from their parents, you would be a hypocrite. If you voted for someone who cheated on his wife with a porn star, you would be a hypocrite. If you voted for someone who lies constantly, you would be a hypocrite. If you voted for someone who tries to prevent people from obtaining health care coverage, you would be a hypocrite. If you voted for someone who tried to leverage foreign aid for personal gain, you would be a hypocrite.

And on and on and on.

I thought ObamaCare solved everything? What we talking about Healthcare for? Obama separated children too. So did Bush and Clinton. So stop lying. It's a lie to just single out a politician you don't like or hate. It was the Torres agreement in 98 that started this separation of children from their parents. These parents would not be separated if they had legally went to a port of entry. Remember that. You say Trump lies constantly. That is a lie. Let me ask you this. If Kamala Harris is the nominee are you voting for her? Are you? She had an affair with Willie Brown. In fact this is how she rose up in California politics.

 

[Cream&Crimson]

You say Trump lies constantly. That is a lie.

Trump has been in office for 1,043 days. In August, the latest documented number of tRump lies was 13,000. Let's just say for the sake of argument that he hasn't lied since August just to make the math easy. 13,000 lies divided by the number of days in office equals an average of 12.5 documented lies per day. I think it's safe to say he lies constantly. In fact I would say that qualifies him as a pathological liar.

 

[Rockfish1]

Trump has been in office for 1,043 days. In August, the latest documented number of tRump lies was 13,000. Let's just say for the sake of argument that he hasn't lied since August just to make the math easy. 13,000 lies divided by the number of days in office equals an average of 12.5 documented lies per day. I think it's safe to say he lies constantly. In fact I would say that qualifies him as a pathological liar.

Hillary was regarded as dishonest, so we elected a pathological liar.

In “The Emperor’s New Clothes” a child points out that the emperor is naked, and this causes his subjects to abandon their illusions. If Trumpbots had written the story, the child would have been punished for spreading fake news.

Trumpbots are all in on the lies. They can’t admit he’s full of shit without admitting they’re full of shit, and as we’re seeing, that’s something they’ll go to absurd lengths to avoid.

 

[iu_a_att]

I didn't vote for Trump during the Primary. I was a Cruz guy. If you guy by issues, and that is the issue when you are voting Trump was a better choice than Hillary Clinton. He is a better choice than the socialists on the Democrat stage right now. How many Democrats would restrict abortion in any way? Trump has fought for the unborn unlike them. Friend you are way off on a lot of issues. It has nothing to do with being afraid of law breakers. It's about right and wrong. We are either a nation of laws or not. You also want to make it unethical to vote for Trump. That is laughable. Seriously, you can tell me that the Democrats are virtuous? lol

If evangelicals like yourself were slightly more reflective you would see your support for Trump as analogous to the mob at Jesus crucifixion who shouts "give us Barabbas". Trump is the chosen one like Barabbas was the chosen one: the one chosen by the angry mob.

 

[37Hoosier]

I agree that Donald Trump has been an adulterer. Christians voted for Bill Clinton though he was ad adulterer too.

Keep rationalizing your phony religious persona away. Joining the pack...your invisible man would be proud of your cowardlyy approach, the one with the tail that is. You are all in on auctioning your soul and beliefs. Word is the evangelical christian conservative crowd are ok with taking a concrete saw to those stone tablets that Roy "child stalker" Moore holds so sacred, and deleting a few of those ten commandments to complete there total moral collapse.

 

[Cream&Crimson]

Keep rationalizing your phony religious persona away. Joining the pack...your invisible man would be proud of your cowardlyy approach, the one with the tail that is. You are all in on auctioning your soul and beliefs. Word is the evangelical christian conservative crowd are ok with taking a concrete saw to those stone tablets and deleting a few of those ten commandments to complete there total moral collapse.

All he's got is whattabout on the adultery thing.

 

[UncleMark]

All he's got is whattabout on the adultery thing.

Whattabout is his foundation. It's VPM's "turtles all the way down".

 

[bawlmer]

I agree that Donald Trump has been an adulterer. Christians voted for Bill Clinton though he was ad adulterer too.

If Bill Clinton had walked into the dressing room at a beauty pageant on purpose because he was the major funder, I wouldn't have voted for him to be dog-catcher. That shows near complete moral corruption by Trump.

 

[Standard Issue]

All he's got is whattabout on the adultery thing.

VPN's world doesn't require reason, logic or critical thinking. On a weekly basis he disseminates b.s. to a willing audience and gets paid for it. He appreciates t-rump on a professional level.

 

[zeke4ahs]

I didn't vote for Trump during the Primary. I was a Cruz guy. If you guy by issues, and that is the issue when you are voting Trump was a better choice than Hillary Clinton. He is a better choice than the socialists on the Democrat stage right now. How many Democrats would restrict abortion in any way? Trump has fought for the unborn unlike them. Friend you are way off on a lot of issues. It has nothing to do with being afraid of law breakers. It's about right and wrong. We are either a nation of laws or not. You also want to make it unethical to vote for Trump. That is laughable. Seriously, you can tell me that the Democrats are virtuous? lol

Seriously, you are so clueless there is no point. No one wants people to have abortions. Women will have abortions regardless. The question is whether they are safe or not. And yes, I think anyone that still supports Trump is immoral. You can laugh at children in cages, constant lying, being a Putin puppet, slaughtering the Kurds and leaving our allies to die, sexual abusing and raping women, being a racist, making fun of disabled, fleecing taxpayers of money, breaking the emoluments clause, being an absolute moron and refusing to learn ( remind you of anyone), ruling against the military to free war criminals, etc etc etc. Yiu can say laughable all you want. It’s immoral, without a doubt.

 

[zeke4ahs]

I thought ObamaCare solved everything? What we talking about Healthcare for? Obama separated children too. So did Bush and Clinton. So stop lying. It's a lie to just single out a politician you don't like or hate. It was the Torres agreement in 98 that started this separation of children from their parents. These parents would not be separated if they had legally went to a port of entry. Remember that. You say Trump lies constantly. That is a lie. Let me ask you this. If Kamala Harris is the nominee are you voting for her? Are you? She had an affair with Willie Brown. In fact this is how she rose up in California politics.

Oh my God. You learned the word Torres agreement and you have used it a million times, even though you have no clue what it means. Oh and thanks for throwing the misogyny card in there. Lol. You’re the worst.

 

[Bill4411]

If I voted for an abortion advocate I would be a hypocrite. Donald Trump has been a pro life President. I believe in lower taxes and less government regulation. If I voted for Hillary I would be a hypocrite. Donald Trump has been just exactly what I have wanted. In fact I am surprised he is governing conservatively. I am not for anybody and everybody having a right to enter the country if they choose. If I voted for Hillary I would be a hypocrite. Yet Donald Trump is doing his best to continue to build the Wall, putting his son in law in charge of it.

Ted Cruz has said that the reason Trump refuses to release his tax returns is because he donated to Planned Parenthood. Would that change your opinion if that is true?

 

[Stuffshot]

I didn't vote for Trump during the Primary. I was a Cruz guy. If you guy by issues, and that is the issue when you are voting Trump was a better choice than Hillary Clinton. He is a better choice than the socialists on the Democrat stage right now. How many Democrats would restrict abortion in any way? Trump has fought for the unborn unlike them. Friend you are way off on a lot of issues. It has nothing to do with being afraid of law breakers. It's about right and wrong. We are either a nation of laws or not. You also want to make it unethical to vote for Trump. That is laughable. Seriously, you can tell me that the Democrats are virtuous? lol

Translation of gibberish: VPM is a one issue voter -- he votes for Trump because he thinks Trump is anti abortion and (really!) because he thinks Trump us virtuous and Democrats are not.

 

[Stuffshot]

It really is a legitimate point. If VPM was anything but a conservative Christian, the responses to him would have always been considered over the line.

VPM is (1) not an evangelical and (2) not an ordained Protestant minister. If he has a garage he might be a self proclaimed deity or garage minister of some kind. But his discussions of scripture on this board show he doesn't know what he is talking about.

 

[Cortez88]

VPM is a one issue voter, only it’s not abortion. He hates the Democrats. It’s the single issue driving most of what’s left of the GOP.

 

[Stuffshot]

I thought ObamaCare solved everything? What we talking about Healthcare for? Obama separated children too. So did Bush and Clinton. So stop lying. It's a lie to just single out a politician you don't like or hate. It was the Torres agreement in 98 that started this separation of children from their parents. These parents would not be separated if they had legally went to a port of entry. Remember that. You say Trump lies constantly. That is a lie. Let me ask you this. If Kamala Harris is the nominee are you voting for her? Are you? She had an affair with Willie Brown. In fact this is how she rose up in California politics.

Translation of gibberish:

1. According to VPM, a lie has nothing to do with telling the truth or telling a falsehood. Instead, VPM says, "It's a lie to just single out a politician you don't like or hate." So, even if someone proves Trump has lied and demonstrates this to be the case, "Rev." VPM refuses to admit Trump lied, unless the accuser has identified all the other politicians in the world who also may have lied. (No word yet whether VPM believes it rained on, say, Tuesday, without other proof that it also rained on Monday and Wednesday.)

2. After Trump and the GOP gutted the Affordable Healthcare Act in 2017, it is OK for Trump to do nothing more about healthcare because VPM "thought Obamacare solved everything" in 2017.

3. VPM thinks it's OK for Trump to separate families in 2019 because he says Obama (2009-2017), (Bush (2001-2009) and Clinton (1993-2001) did the same thing. (No word yet if he thinks its OK to jump out of a window because all the other kids already jumped out of a window 2 to 26 years earlier.)

4. VPM says it is a lie to accuse Trump of lying because Kamala Harris "had an affair with Willie Brown." (No word yet whether VPM thinks it is a lie to accuse Bill Clinton of lying since we all know Mark Antony "had an affair" with Cleopatra earlier.)

 

[sglowrider]

I didn't vote for Trump during the Primary. I was a Cruz guy. If you guy by issues, and that is the issue when you are voting Trump was a better choice than Hillary Clinton. He is a better choice than the socialists on the Democrat stage right now. How many Democrats would restrict abortion in any way? Trump has fought for the unborn unlike them. Friend you are way off on a lot of issues. It has nothing to do with being afraid of law breakers. It's about right and wrong. We are either a nation of laws or not. You also want to make it unethical to vote for Trump. That is laughable. Seriously, you can tell me that the Democrats are virtuous? lol

Lucky for you VPN, you are not alone in your thoughts and perceptions. 40% of America is with you on this.

This is America in 2020.

Time to stock up on more alcohol or herbal remedies.

 

[VanPastorMan]

Lucky for you VPN, you are not alone in your thoughts and perceptions. 40% of America is with you on this.

This is America in 2020.

Time to stock up on more alcohol or herbal remedies.

Only 40% think the nation is a nation of laws? That is scary. It might cause me to drink if I think on it for too long and not trust in the Lord. Without laws what are we?

 

[VanPastorMan]

Translation of gibberish:

1. According to VPM, a lie has nothing to do with telling the truth or telling a falsehood. Instead, VPM says, "It's a lie to just single out a politician you don't like or hate." So, even if someone proves Trump has lied and demonstrates this to be the case, "Rev." VPM refuses to admit Trump lied, unless the accuser has identified all the other politicians in the world who also may have lied. (No word yet whether VPM believes it rained on, say, Tuesday, without other proof that it also rained on Monday and Wednesday.)

2. After Trump and the GOP gutted the Affordable Healthcare Act in 2017, it is OK for Trump to do nothing more about healthcare because VPM "thought Obamacare solved everything" in 2017.

3. VPM thinks it's OK for Trump to separate families in 2019 because he says Obama (2009-2017), (Bush (2001-2009) and Clinton (1993-2001) did the same thing. (No word yet if he thinks its OK to jump out of a window because all the other kids already jumped out of a window 2 to 26 years earlier.)

4. VPM says it is a lie to accuse Trump of lying because Kamala Harris "had an affair with Willie Brown." (No word yet whether VPM thinks it is a lie to accuse Bill Clinton of lying since we all know Mark Antony "had an affair" with Cleopatra earlier.)

It is a lie to say that Trump lies all the time. Don't you see that?

 

[VanPastorMan]

VPM is (1) not an evangelical and (2) not an ordained Protestant minister. If he has a garage he might be a self proclaimed deity or garage minister of some kind. But his discussions of scripture on this board show he doesn't know what he is talking about.

Ask me a question about the Bible and I will give you my view on it. I'm an ordained pastor. Ordained pastors vote Republican too. Some vote Democrat. I believe those folks are wrong btw.

 

[meridian]

I didn't vote for Trump during the Primary. I was a Cruz guy. If you guy by issues, and that is the issue when you are voting Trump was a better choice than Hillary Clinton. He is a better choice than the socialists on the Democrat stage right now. How many Democrats would restrict abortion in any way? Trump has fought for the unborn unlike them. Friend you are way off on a lot of issues. It has nothing to do with being afraid of law breakers. It's about right and wrong. We are either a nation of laws or not. You also want to make it unethical to vote for Trump. That is laughable. Seriously, you can tell me that the Democrats are virtuous? lol

Do you realize that Jesus was more "socialist" than Clinton and Obama?
I am beginning to think you really don't believe Jesus. Everything you have been saying on this board seems to be as anti-Jesus as they can be! They sound more like what Trump has been saying, and Trump is as anti-Jesus as anybody can imagine!

 

[iu_a_att]

Ask me a question about the Bible and I will give you my view on it. I'm an ordained pastor. Ordained pastors vote Republican too. Some vote Democrat. I believe those folks are wrong btw.

Please Tell me what the Bible says about doing deals with the devil. Please tell my what inspired the mob to choose Barabbas over Jesus.

 

[meridian]

It is a lie to say that Trump lies all the time. Don't you see that?

First time I agree with you on that. Trump does not lie all the time, only 95% of the time!

 

[zeke4ahs]

Only 40% think the nation is a nation of laws? That is scary. It might cause me to drink if I think on it for too long and not trust in the Lord. Without laws what are we?

You obviously don’t care about the law or you wouldn’t support Trump. And don’t ask what he has done for the 50th time. It’s been answered time and time again.

 

[zeke4ahs]

It is a lie to say that Trump lies all the time. Don't you see that?

What do you consider all the time? He has now over 14,000 documented lies since he took office less than 3 years ago. I think that would be all the time to any rational human.

 

[meridian]

What do you consider all the time? He has now over 14,000 documented lies since he took office less than 3 years ago. I think that would be all the time to any rational human.

In Pastor Van's church, lying must be a virtue, and I am guessing that our Pastor Van has never read the bible.

 

[Stuffshot]

It is a lie to say that Trump lies all the time. Don't you see that?

That's not what you wrote. Here's what you wrote: "You say Trump lies constantly. That is a lie."

 

[VanPastorMan]

You obviously don’t care about the law or you wouldn’t support Trump. And don’t ask what he has done for the 50th time. It’s been answered time and time again.

Trump wants a Senate trial. I agree with him on that. Let both sides bring witnesses and bring forth evidence, not hearsay, not opinion.

 

[VanPastorMan]

Did anybody say that they would not vote for Kamala Harris for President because she had an affair with Willie Brown? I didn't read all of my responses. Give me a shout out if you have an opinion.

 

[hoosboot]

Did anybody say that they would not vote for Kamala Harris for President because she had an affair with Willie Brown? I didn't read all of my responses. Give me a shout out if you have an opinion.

Um...your claim that Kamala Harris had "an affair" with Willie Brown is silly. She didn't. They dated. He was split from his wife for 13 years when they briefly dated. You should stop making stuff up to try to justify your support for President Trump.

 

[Stuffshot]

Trump wants a Senate trial. I agree with him on that. Let both sides bring witnesses and bring forth evidence, not hearsay, not opinion.

Again, you are in way over your head.

Hearsay and opinion are not universally excluded from courts, no matter how much you want Trump to win.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hearsay

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opinion_evidence

No principles. Just winning at all costs. That's who you guys are.