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What do evangelicals believe these days

I don’t care what anyone else believes. That’s none of my business. You do you.

I just felt that was the best way to describe everyone ITT claiming to be religious and simultaneously bashing all those who disagree with them politically.

I don’t need to ask you that question. You’ve already answered it.
So in other words, you have nothing. That doesn’t answer what pseudo religious is. People aren’t bashing others about politics, they are bashing people who support Trump and that’s two very different things. I’m offended at what evangelicals who continue to support an obviously corrupt man are doing to the heart and soul of religion and Christianity. I think it’s going to harm them with young people who can see right through their hypocrisy and will turn them away from the church in droves. What question don’t you need to ask me? Your post makes little sense, quite honestly.
 
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Lol. I love these threads, where the non religious and the pseudo religious try an out yell each other about how awful the religious are.

Its a fascinating mix of “religious people are AWFUL” and “they’re not REALLY religious like me.”

I see it elsewhere but never quite like I do here.
It's not about "Religion good" vs. "Religion Bad." It's about the hypocrisy of the WEP tRumpsters including VPM. I don't think there are many here who have any issue with the honest practice of religion.
 
Neither of you have refuted my point whatsoever. What you’re saying amounts to “your religion bad, my religion good”.

Why not just come out and say it?
 
Neither of you have refuted my point whatsoever. What you’re saying amounts to “your religion bad, my religion good”.

Why not just come out and say it?
That’s nonsense, once again. Trump is using religion to sucker his base, just as the millionaire tv preachers, like the one he just hired who asked people to send her their paychecks. It’s a bastardization of true Christianity, which is based on kindness and love.
 
Neither of you have refuted my point whatsoever. What you’re saying amounts to “your religion bad, my religion good”.

Why not just come out and say it?
https://www.newsweek.com/donald-tru...-white-suggests-people-send-her-salary-775228 Is it a surprise this is the kind of person Trump wants to “guide” him in his religious beliefs? He probably admires her, because like him, she’s good at getting people to part with their money. I assume taxpayers are now paying her salary. This is what you support?
 
From electoral-vote.com:

In any case, we are not the only ones to notice that many evangelical Christians do not appear to be practicing what they preach. The Washington Post's Michael Gerson, himself an evangelical, published an op-ed on Tuesday taking his fellow white evangelical Protestants (WEPs) to task. He observes that their embrace of violence, hatred of immigrants, tolerance for corruption, and willingness to treat the Ten Commandments as optional for some people are all quite un-Christian. What these things are, however, is very Trump-like. "Rather than shaping President Trump's agenda in Christian ways, they have been reshaped into the image of Trump himself," Gerson says. He continues:

The result has properly been called cultlike. For many followers, Trump has defined an alternative, insular universe of facts and values that only marginally resembles our own. According to the PRRI poll, nearly two-thirds of WEPs deny that Trump has damaged the dignity of his office. Ponder that a moment. Well over half of this group is willing to deny a blindingly obvious, entirely irrefutable, manifestly clear reality because it is perceived as being critical of their leader. Forty-seven percent of WEPs say that Trump's behavior makes no difference to their support. Thirty-one percent say there is almost nothing that Trump could do to forfeit their approval. This is preemptive permission for any violation of the moral law or the constitutional order. It is not support; it is obeisance.
The most staggering number, perhaps, is the one that Gerson closes with: 99 percent of WEPs oppose impeachment in all circumstances.

The choice that the WEPs have made here—a devil's bargain, if you will—is yet another case of prioritizing short-term gain over long-term pain. With Trump in the Oval Office, they will get their judges, and they will get their funding cuts for things like Planned Parenthood. They might even be able to curtail abortion rights (though that may not be so easy, after all, as a federal judge just struck down Alabama's draconian abortion ban). But someday soon, and maybe very soon, Donald Trump will leave office. His executive orders will be overturned, his funding priorities reversed. His judges will pretty quickly be a small minority in the federal judiciary, and then will fade away entirely. Meanwhile, older members of the evangelical movement are dying off and are not being replaced by younger ones. Most young evangelicals are either abandoning religion entirely, or else are embracing an inclusive, tolerant, charity-based interpretation of the New Testament. You know, something that sounds kinda like Jesus' ministry.​

Above is only part of the article. But I think that bottom part, about the demographics, is the interesting part. The evangelicals better enjoy this ride, speaking on behalf of everyone else we are going to have even less interest in what they say going forward. Imagine if "thirty-one percent say there is almost nothing that Trump could do to forfeit their approval" had the word Trump replaced by the word Obama and was about liberals?
Sorry to butt in late, but, IMHO, what the evangelicals believe is quite simple:
Money
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Power.
 
One of the eyewitnesses of the phone call said Donald Trump did nothing wrong. Why is he not to be believed?

Why are the multiple people confirming the quid-pro-quo not to be believed? Why did the White House Admin edit the transcript/memo? They even added text that was never said. Why would an innocent group of people do that?

At some point, you will have to accept reality and leave the fictional bubble.
 
More responses have been deleted in the past hour. I know it's free but there's no reason right now to spend time writing a well-developed argument for this board. I expect this post will be deleted too.
This has been going on for a long long time. It's been decided that people go overboard in their responses to VPM. Which may be a legitimate point. What isn't taken into account is the extraordinary degree of inanity and downright idiocy that VPM posts, which is what prompts the responses. No one else can compare to VPM in that regard. As a result, no one else is subjected to the kind of responses VPM is. He brings them on himself.
 
One of the eyewitnesses of the phone call said Donald Trump did nothing wrong. Why is he not to be believed?

Why are the multiple people confirming the quid-pro-quo not to be believed? Why did the White House Admin edit the transcript/memo? They even added text that was never said. Why would an innocent group of people do that?

At some point, you will have to accept reality and leave the fictional bubble.
And immediately after it happened they moved it to a private file. Totally innocent.
 
That’s nonsense, once again. Trump is using religion to sucker his base, just as the millionaire tv preachers, like the one he just hired who asked people to send her their paychecks. It’s a bastardization of true Christianity, which is based on kindness and love.
The irony of this reply to what I posted is more than likely lost on you.
 
This has been going on for a long long time. It's been decided that people go overboard in their responses to VPM. Which may be a legitimate point. What isn't taken into account is the extraordinary degree of inanity and downright idiocy that VPM posts, which is what prompts the responses. No one else can compare to VPM in that regard. As a result, no one else is subjected to the kind of responses VPM is. He brings them on himself.
It really is a legitimate point. If VPM was anything but a conservative Christian, the responses to him would have always been considered over the line.
 
And from a lowly source such as pop culture and the dreaded left intelligentsia as depicted on a popular television show, a more pointed critique.

 
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As a note on evangelicals, Mormons tend to support most of the same issues as evangelicals but at the same point Mormons are much less likely to fully support Trump.

Among Mormon voters in Utah, 76 percent preferred Republican congressional candidates, but only 56 percent said they approved of Trump.​

This article suggests that Mormons like what Trump is doing but dislike how he is doing it. Which is, frankly, what I expected from evangelicals.

The first article has an interesting point on immigration, Mormons tend to be more split on immigration issues than evangelicals. The suggestion on the article is that their international mission trips may make Mormons more sensitive to the hard line stance of Trump and evangelicals.

And since I have introduced Mormons to the discussion, Book of Mormon was at IU last week. At least one of the showings had a group of Mormons with a sign saying, "you are going to see the play, why not read the book". I have to say, given how offensive that play is to Mormons I am impressed at the fact they weren't out there protesting people seeing it.
 
From electoral-vote.com:

In any case, we are not the only ones to notice that many evangelical Christians do not appear to be practicing what they preach. The Washington Post's Michael Gerson, himself an evangelical, published an op-ed on Tuesday taking his fellow white evangelical Protestants (WEPs) to task. He observes that their embrace of violence, hatred of immigrants, tolerance for corruption, and willingness to treat the Ten Commandments as optional for some people are all quite un-Christian. What these things are, however, is very Trump-like. "Rather than shaping President Trump's agenda in Christian ways, they have been reshaped into the image of Trump himself," Gerson says. He continues:

The result has properly been called cultlike. For many followers, Trump has defined an alternative, insular universe of facts and values that only marginally resembles our own. According to the PRRI poll, nearly two-thirds of WEPs deny that Trump has damaged the dignity of his office. Ponder that a moment. Well over half of this group is willing to deny a blindingly obvious, entirely irrefutable, manifestly clear reality because it is perceived as being critical of their leader. Forty-seven percent of WEPs say that Trump's behavior makes no difference to their support. Thirty-one percent say there is almost nothing that Trump could do to forfeit their approval. This is preemptive permission for any violation of the moral law or the constitutional order. It is not support; it is obeisance.
The most staggering number, perhaps, is the one that Gerson closes with: 99 percent of WEPs oppose impeachment in all circumstances.

The choice that the WEPs have made here—a devil's bargain, if you will—is yet another case of prioritizing short-term gain over long-term pain. With Trump in the Oval Office, they will get their judges, and they will get their funding cuts for things like Planned Parenthood. They might even be able to curtail abortion rights (though that may not be so easy, after all, as a federal judge just struck down Alabama's draconian abortion ban). But someday soon, and maybe very soon, Donald Trump will leave office. His executive orders will be overturned, his funding priorities reversed. His judges will pretty quickly be a small minority in the federal judiciary, and then will fade away entirely. Meanwhile, older members of the evangelical movement are dying off and are not being replaced by younger ones. Most young evangelicals are either abandoning religion entirely, or else are embracing an inclusive, tolerant, charity-based interpretation of the New Testament. You know, something that sounds kinda like Jesus' ministry.​

Above is only part of the article. But I think that bottom part, about the demographics, is the interesting part. The evangelicals better enjoy this ride, speaking on behalf of everyone else we are going to have even less interest in what they say going forward. Imagine if "thirty-one percent say there is almost nothing that Trump could do to forfeit their approval" had the word Trump replaced by the word Obama and was about liberals?
Angels. It's in their name.
 
White evangelical Protestants don't just comprise the core of the Deplorables. They also comprise the core of the Republican party writ large. They are the largest religious demographic in the party (Catholics are a distant second, and they're only even that close because there are a shit ton of Catholics).

This is why many of us have said since 2015 that Trump wasn't taking over the Republican party as much as he was created by it. Which speaks to the point I was ultimately hinting at: whatever's wrong with white evangelical Protestant Republicans, the numbers suggest that it's not wholly to be found in their status as evangelical or Protestant. There's much more going on there. Trump didn't invent the rot of the GOP, and the evangelicals didn't bring the infection with them. It was already there.
Trump pretends to be real but is the ultimate fake, pretends to be an outsider but is the ultimate politician (in the pejorative sense). Trump is the con man of American history non plus ultra and the only reason WEP went for him is they got conned. Like everyone else, he'll throw them under the bus the instant it serves him.
 
Trump pretends to be real but is the ultimate fake, pretends to be an outsider but is the ultimate politician (in the pejorative sense). Trump is the con man of American history non plus ultra and the only reason WEP went for him is they got conned. Like everyone else, he'll throw them under the bus the instant it serves him.

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Trump's The Chosen One.

The ONE that god had specifically chosen amongst billions that had passed before him.
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Maybe you have been praying wrongly?

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Trump's The Chosen One.

The ONE that god had specifically chosen amongst billions that had passed before him.
trumpthemessiah.jpg



Maybe you have been praying wrongly?

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This is one of two things I like about t-rump.
1. He's proven that the Republican party doesn't stand for anything.
  • Fiscal Responsibility
  • A reliable ally
  • Tough on tyrants
  • Family Values
  • Morals
  • ...
2. That the religious right are hypocrites. I was going to create a list but this should do.
Romans 12:9–21
9Let love be genuine. Abhor what is evil; hold fast to what is good. 10 Love one another with brotherly affection. Outdo one another in showing honor. 11 Do not be slothful in zeal, be fervent in spirit, serve the Lord. 12 Rejoice in hope, be patient in tribulation, be constant in prayer. 13 Contribute to the needs of the saints and seek to show hospitality.

14 Bless those who persecute you; bless and do not curse them. 15 Rejoice with those who rejoice, weep with those who weep. 16 Live in harmony with one another. Do not be haughty, but associate with the lowly.8 Never be wise in your own sight. 17 Repay no one evil for evil, but give thought to do what is honorable in the sight of all. 18 If possible, so far as it depends on you, live peaceably with all. 19 Beloved, never avenge yourselves, but leave it9 to the wrath of God, for it is written, n“Vengeance is mine, I will repay, says the Lord.” 20 To the contrary, o“if your enemy is hungry, feed him; if he is thirsty, give him something to drink; for by so doing you will heap burning coals on his head.” 21 Do not be overcome by evil, but overcome evil with good.
 
The Chosen One Revisited


You could also read the chart like god/higher-being/mother nature was supremely angry after he got elected with the sudden spike in 'earthquakes'.
 
It really is a legitimate point. If VPM was anything but a conservative Christian, the responses to him would have always been considered over the line.
He is not a conservative Christian,he is a phony posing as a pious religious person. He is a hypocrite of the worst kind using religion as his bludgeon....and then feigns shallow ignorance to hide his blatant hypocrisy. Calling yourself a conservative Christian, whatever that entails these days since they clearly site religion as their basis to support what twenty years ago would have been likened to an anti-Christ, is a mockery of said religion. Just call a phony a phony, case closed.
 
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I'm assuming that most evangelical Democrats are black baptists, but I really don't know. I can't say I've ever met a white, liberal evangelical.... though the numbers say this mythical person does exist. I'm guessing these are young folks raised in the church, but with much different views than their parents.

One of these mythical people was the 39th president of the US. IMO, they tend to be very service-oriented as opposed to being hell-bent for saving souls, and best embody the spirit of Christ. Jimmy Carter is still working for Habitat for Humanity at 95 years of age.
 
He is not a conservative Christian,he is a phony posing as a pious religious person. He is a hypocrite of the worst kind using religion as his bludgeon....and then feigns shallow ignorance to hide his blatant hypocrisy. Calling yourself a conservative Christian, whatever that entails these days since they clearly site religion as their basis to support what twenty years ago would have been likened to an anti-Christ, is a mockery of said religion. Just call a phony a phony, case closed.
Lol. You’re making my point for me.

Ask yourself, if VPM were Muslim, would you say the same things about him? If not, why?
 
Lol. You’re making my point for me.

Ask yourself, if VPM were Muslim, would you say the same things about him? If not, why?
He isn’t a Muslim tho? So your straw man has no relevance. He is a phony Christian And introducing a what if Muslim into a “conservative Christian” analogy is pointless. The evangelical support and rationalization required for said support of a pathological liar are inherently incompatible, hypocrisy at its worst. VPM is a prime example.
 
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He is not a conservative Christian,he is a phony posing as a pious religious person. He is a hypocrite of the worst kind using religion as his bludgeon....and then feigns shallow ignorance to hide his blatant hypocrisy. Calling yourself a conservative Christian, whatever that entails these days since they clearly site religion as their basis to support what twenty years ago would have been likened to an anti-Christ, is a mockery of said religion. Just call a phony a phony, case closed.
If I voted for an abortion advocate I would be a hypocrite. Donald Trump has been a pro life President. I believe in lower taxes and less government regulation. If I voted for Hillary I would be a hypocrite. Donald Trump has been just exactly what I have wanted. In fact I am surprised he is governing conservatively. I am not for anybody and everybody having a right to enter the country if they choose. If I voted for Hillary I would be a hypocrite. Yet Donald Trump is doing his best to continue to build the Wall, putting his son in law in charge of it.
 
If I voted for an abortion advocate I would be a hypocrite. Donald Trump has been a pro life President. I believe in lower taxes and less government regulation. If I voted for Hillary I would be a hypocrite. Donald Trump has been just exactly what I have wanted. In fact I am surprised he is governing conservatively. I am not for anybody and everybody having a right to enter the country if they choose. If I voted for Hillary I would be a hypocrite. Yet Donald Trump is doing his best to continue to build the Wall, putting his son in law in charge of it.
If you voted for someone who -- with intentional cruelty -- separated children from their parents, you would be a hypocrite. If you voted for someone who cheated on his wife with a porn star, you would be a hypocrite. If you voted for someone who lies constantly, you would be a hypocrite. If you voted for someone who tries to prevent people from obtaining health care coverage, you would be a hypocrite. If you voted for someone who tried to leverage foreign aid for personal gain, you would be a hypocrite.

And on and on and on.
 
If I voted for an abortion advocate I would be a hypocrite. Donald Trump has been a pro life President. I believe in lower taxes and less government regulation. If I voted for Hillary I would be a hypocrite. Donald Trump has been just exactly what I have wanted. In fact I am surprised he is governing conservatively. I am not for anybody and everybody having a right to enter the country if they choose. If I voted for Hillary I would be a hypocrite. Yet Donald Trump is doing his best to continue to build the Wall, putting his son in law in charge of it.
Because his son in law has done a fine job of building peace in the Middle East. There isn’t going to be a wall, as soon as the moron is out of office, we will stop wasting money on that nonsense. All that’s done so far is repairing some areas. So give up on your fantasy of some giant wall across the south keeping out all the brown people you are so afraid of. No one is an abortion advocate, so stop with that nonsense. Ever wonder how many Trump has actually paid for? My guess is more than one. It says a lot a lot about you that Trump has been exactly what you wanted, it reconfirms the fact that you are not a very good Christian , and just like Trump, never take a moment to self reflect and try to learn. It’s really sad, I wish you could find a mentor.
 
If I voted for an abortion advocate I would be a hypocrite. Donald Trump has been a pro life President. I believe in lower taxes and less government regulation. If I voted for Hillary I would be a hypocrite. Donald Trump has been just exactly what I have wanted. In fact I am surprised he is governing conservatively. I am not for anybody and everybody having a right to enter the country if they choose. If I voted for Hillary I would be a hypocrite. Yet Donald Trump is doing his best to continue to build the Wall, putting his son in law in charge of it.
You support blatant lying, adulterous behavior, fleecing others, law breaking, undermining America, racist behavior...yes, you are hypocrit rationalizing your phony religious life away
 
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