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Trump Trial - New York

What do you think is the most likely outcome in the New York trial?

  • A guilty verdict on some or all of the counts

  • An acquittal ("total exoneration!")

  • A hung jury (jury cannot reach a unanimous decision and a mistrial is declared)

  • Trump pleads guilty to something prior to a verdict being rendered

  • Other (for example, a mistrial based on something other than a hung jury)


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Twenty votes so far; half predicting a guilty verdict, a quarter anticipating a hung jury.
 
And to the surprise of virtually no one, except for DBM, Trump has not attended any of his other four children’s high school graduation. ( according to journalist Jeff Perlman) But this one, this one he was for sure going to !
 
Only a complete coward would plead guilty to something he didn't do. And when world's #1 Trump hater John Bolton, also Yale law grad and former assistant AG, goes on CNN and calls the charges completely frivolous you know it's all BS.
Well, he is a coward.
 
Do you ever get embarrassed about posting bald faced lies that are easily debunked?
the judge will allow the contents of the access Hollywood tape at trial. This is a case about a specific business records statute and alleged misrepresentation of payments to his attorney. The access Hollywood tape has nothing to donwith business records, Cohen, , or attorney payments to a porn star. Allowing the access Hollywood material shows that the judge is either an idiot or hopelessly prejudiced against the Defendant.
 
the judge will allow the contents of the access Hollywood tape at trial. This is a case about a specific business records statute and alleged misrepresentation of payments to his attorney. The access Hollywood tape has nothing to donwith business records, Cohen, , or attorney payments to a porn star. Allowing the access Hollywood material shows that the judge is either an idiot or hopelessly prejudiced against the Defendant.
That’s the first part. The more salient part is how the concealment of payments to stormy d were to prevent disclosure during his election. That’s where the other shit becomes germane and gives rise to a felony
 
the judge will allow the contents of the access Hollywood tape at trial. This is a case about a specific business records statute and alleged misrepresentation of payments to his attorney. The access Hollywood tape has nothing to donwith business records, Cohen, , or attorney payments to a porn star. Allowing the access Hollywood material shows that the judge is either an idiot or hopelessly prejudiced against the Defendant.
He's allowing a transcript, not the video or audio. I saw how you parsed your words so you could give the impression he was allowing the videotape without actually saying so, but others might have misinterpreted.
 
That’s the first part. The more salient part is how the concealment of payments to stormy d were to prevent disclosure during his election. That’s where the other shit becomes germane and gives rise to a felony
The feds looked at that and decided not to prosecute. The gravaman if Braggs case is that those payments should have been public and reported on campaign disclosures. That’s a crazy gross application of the law. The payments could not be made with campaign funds. Hush money is not illegal— even for a candidate.
 
Do you ever get embarrassed about posting bald faced lies that are easily debunked?
I’ve asked him that question a lot and he obviously doesn’t, because he continues to follow the same people and he continues to fall for their lies . Not only that, he’s quick to run over here to post them. And be ridiculed again. Wash, rinse, repeat. Every. Single. Day.
 
He's allowing a transcript, not the video or audio. I saw how you parsed your words so you could give the impression he was allowing the videotape without actually saying so, but others might have misinterpreted.
Thanks. I did, because I had read about people who were upset at the judge for NOT allowing it.
 
He's allowing a transcript, not the video or audio. I saw how you parsed your words so you could give the impression he was allowing the videotape without actually saying so, but others might have misinterpreted.
The "grab em by the p*ssy" Access Hollywood tape was released on October 7, 2016. Shortly thereafter, Daniels was about to go public with the story of her tryst with Trump. Trump knew his candidacy couldn't survive this second hit, and Cohen paid Daniels the 130k on October 26, just 11 days before the election.

The Access Hollywood tape served as the catalyst for the payment to buy Daniels' silence, and it bears directly on Trump's intent and motive for making the payment, then falsifying business records to conceal the payment's true purpose from voters.

The judge properly ruled the transcript admissible, but denied a request that the tape itself be allowed in, deeming it too prejudicial.
 
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That’s the first part. The more salient part is how the concealment of payments to stormy d were to prevent disclosure during his election. That’s where the other shit becomes germane and gives rise to a felony
Not a crime. Remember the John Edward's case? The DOJ and the FEC looked at this. Concluded no crime. And Bragg can't bring a federal charge. This is entire case is complete nonsense.
 
Not a crime. Remember the John Edward's case? The DOJ and the FEC looked at this. Concluded no crime. And Bragg can't bring a federal charge. This is entire case is complete nonsense.
What is nonsense is your post. It is a complete fabrication of babble.

John Edwards was charged by the DOJ, went to trial, was acquitted on 1 count and the jury deadlocked on the balance of the counts. The DOJ decided to drop the hung counts.

I have no doubt you were screaming from the John Birch Bar and Grill that Edwards should go to jail. He should have.
 
Thanks. I did, because I had read about people who were upset at the judge for NOT allowing it.
The "grab em by the p*ssy" Access Hollywood tape was released on October 7, 2016. Shortly thereafter, Daniels was about to go public with the story of her tryst with Trump. Trump knew his candidacy couldn't survive this second hit, and Cohen paid Daniels the 130k on October 26, just 11 days before the election.

The Access Hollywood tape served as the catalyst for the payment to buy Daniels' silence, and it bears directly on Trump's intent and motive for making the payment, then falsifying business records to conceal the payment's true purpose from voters.

The judge properly ruled the transcript admissible, but denied a request that the tape itself be allowed in, deeming it too prejudicial.
The alleged crime is falsifying business records. Bragg included the “as part of a hush money scheme “ to add sex appeal to the case. Paying hush money is not a crime. The access Hollywood tapes are not evidence of any wrongdoing. Paying Stormy Daniels is not part of any crime. It’s all just prejudicial garbage.

The Manhattan DA has up to a dozen prosecutors on this case, which is not about justice, but to affect Trumps campaign,. Meanwhile old ladies are getting mugged, the military must guard the subway, and petty crime is through the roof.

Democrat criminal justice is a joke.
 
What is nonsense is your post. It is a complete fabrication of babble.

John Edwards was charged by the DOJ, went to trial, was acquitted on 1 count and the jury deadlocked on the balance of the counts. The DOJ decided to drop the hung counts.

I have no doubt you were screaming from the John Birch Bar and Grill that Edwards should go to jail. He should have.
What Edward's did was an actual campaign finance violation. Trump's was not. Edward's found not guilty.
 
What Edward's did was an actual campaign finance violation. Trump's was not. Edward's found not guilty.
Your quote was "Not a crime. Remember the John Edward's case? The DOJ and the FEC looked at this. Concluded no crime".

Edwards was found not guilty on one count and 5 or 6 other counts were hung jury. The DOJ opted not to retry the case.

Edwards and Trump paid off these women prior to the their respective elections. Both involve campaign issues. As near as I can gather, the falsifying business records as it relates to Trump would be a misdemeanor but then it can be a felony, but Bragg's office is trying to tie it to falsifying records to conceal a payment that would amount to an undisclosed campaign contribution.

That is the same thing as Edwards. Same case with different nuances. Edwards was caught lying about it, like he lied about everything else in his life. Trump is Trump. Both cases were and are too difficult for a jury to figure out. Edwards case had garbage witnesses (Anthony Young). Trump's case has garbage witnesses (Cohen, etc). Young, Cohen, etc are nothing more than professional bullshitters.
 
The alleged crime is falsifying business records. Bragg included the “as part of a hush money scheme “ to add sex appeal to the case. Paying hush money is not a crime. The access Hollywood tapes are not evidence of any wrongdoing. Paying Stormy Daniels is not part of any crime. It’s all just prejudicial garbage.

The Manhattan DA has up to a dozen prosecutors on this case, which is not about justice, but to affect Trumps campaign,. Meanwhile old ladies are getting mugged, the military must guard the subway, and petty crime is through the roof.

Democrat criminal justice is a joke.
It's probative as to motive and intent.

The remainder of your post is drivel and has nothing to do with what I posted.
 
What Edward's did was an actual campaign finance violation. Trump's was not. Edward's found not guilty.
Completely different facts, different charges, and you're uninformed as usual. Edwards was acquitted on one count, and it was a hung jury on the five remaining charges. The government decided not to retry the case.
 
Not a crime. Remember the John Edward's case? The DOJ and the FEC looked at this. Concluded no crime. And Bragg can't bring a federal charge. This is entire case is complete nonsense.
There are a bunch of ny state election laws to tether it to. I don’t have time to go through them. It’s not like edwards.
 
Your quote was "Not a crime. Remember the John Edward's case? The DOJ and the FEC looked at this. Concluded no crime".

Edwards was found not guilty on one count and 5 or 6 other counts were hung jury. The DOJ opted not to retry the case.

Edwards and Trump paid off these women prior to the their respective elections. Both involve campaign issues. As near as I can gather, the falsifying business records as it relates to Trump would be a misdemeanor but then it can be a felony, but Bragg's office is trying to tie it to falsifying records to conceal a payment that would amount to an undisclosed campaign contribution.

That is the same thing as Edwards. Same case with different nuances. Edwards was caught lying about it, like he lied about everything else in his life. Trump is Trump. Both cases were and are too difficult for a jury to figure out. Edwards case had garbage witnesses (Anthony Young). Trump's case has garbage witnesses (Cohen, etc). Young, Cohen, etc are nothing more than professional bullshitters.
Not it's not. Again the FEC and the DOJ already looked at the Stormy stuff and decided not to bring charges. So did Bragg originally. Had nothing to do with his campaign. Was done to not embarrass Melania. The payment to Cohen was in 2017 after he had taken office so clearly had nothing to do with the campaign.
 
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Your quote was "Not a crime. Remember the John Edward's case? The DOJ and the FEC looked at this. Concluded no crime".

Edwards was found not guilty on one count and 5 or 6 other counts were hung jury. The DOJ opted not to retry the case.

Edwards and Trump paid off these women prior to the their respective elections. Both involve campaign issues. As near as I can gather, the falsifying business records as it relates to Trump would be a misdemeanor but then it can be a felony, but Bragg's office is trying to tie it to falsifying records to conceal a payment that would amount to an undisclosed campaign contribution.

That is the same thing as Edwards. Same case with different nuances. Edwards was caught lying about it, like he lied about everything else in his life. Trump is Trump. Both cases were and are too difficult for a jury to figure out. Edwards case had garbage witnesses (Anthony Young). Trump's case has garbage witnesses (Cohen, etc). Young, Cohen, etc are nothing more than professional bullshitters.
Love your last paragraph
 
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Not it's not. Again the FEC and the DOJ already looked at the Stormy stuff and decided not to bring charges. So did Bragg originally. Had nothing to do with his campaign. Was done to not embarrass Melania. The payment to Cohen was in 2017 after he had taken office so clearly had nothing to do with the campaign.
Read through the indictment. I can't bill for this shit
 
Bragg's office is trying to tie it to falsifying records to conceal a payment that would amount to an undisclosed campaign contribution.
That’s where the case falls apart. Hush money can’t be an undisclosed campaign contribution. This like saying covering up Botox injections in order for a candidate to look more youthful would be an undisclosed campaign contribution. Botox cannot be a campaign expense.
 
Read through the indictment. I can't bill for this shit
Trump is allowed to spend however much he wants of his own money on his own campaign. There is no limit. The payment to Stormy was Trump's own money. Nothing remotely illegal. Edwards was using campaign donations.

"On May 24, 2011, ABC News and the New York Times reported that the U.S Department of Justice's Public Integrity Section had conducted a two-year investigation into whether Edwards had used more than $1 million in political donations to hide his affair and planned to pursue criminal charges for alleged violations of campaign finance laws."
 
That’s where the case falls apart. Hush money can’t be an undisclosed campaign contribution. This like saying covering up Botox injections in order for a candidate to look more youthful would be an undisclosed campaign contribution. Botox cannot be a campaign expense.
I don’t think it’s limited to campaign contributions. I think it can be tied to some vague effort to influence an election- traveling under various state stats. Don’t have to actually show that it made a difference.
 
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An update for people who don't log in and/or haven't voted.

26 votes so far - - 12 predict a guilty verdict, 9 a hung jury.
 
Trump is allowed to spend however much he wants of his own money on his own campaign. There is no limit. The payment to Stormy was Trump's own money. Nothing remotely illegal. Edwards was using campaign donations.

"On May 24, 2011, ABC News and the New York Times reported that the U.S Department of Justice's Public Integrity Section had conducted a two-year investigation into whether Edwards had used more than $1 million in political donations to hide his affair and planned to pursue criminal charges for alleged violations of campaign finance laws."
Dumbing this down he falsified biz records in violation of a state stat (misdemeanor) in order to hide payments to stormy d so that it wouldn’t have a deleterious impact on his election thereby influencing an election in violation of ny state stats (the felony)
 
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An update for people who don't log in and/or haven't voted.

26 votes so far - - 12 predict a guilty verdict, 9 a hung jury.

Kommie channel is talking up how the Bragg team needs to be really concerned about a Trump ringer lying his ass off to get on the jury and hang it. Then you have Clay Travis telling his NYC listeners to do everything they can to do just that.
 
Dumbing this down he falsified biz records in violation of a state stat (misdemeanor) in order to hide payments to stormy d so that it wouldn’t have a deleterious impact on his election thereby influencing an election in violation of ny state stats (the felony)
Bragg can't even say what the other crime is. There is none. Everything's he did is perfectly legal.
 
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