I don't believe you. I think in a non election year, you would have taken that bill in a heartbeat.I have no idea their intent. What you state may be accurate re election games. But that is not a bill I would have signed off on.
I don't believe you. I think in a non election year, you would have taken that bill in a heartbeat.I have no idea their intent. What you state may be accurate re election games. But that is not a bill I would have signed off on.
No not at those capricious numbers. That alone was a nonstarter before even getting into the weeds of unwinding/amending etc. we need to shutdown the border. The numbers already are obsceneI don't believe you. I think in a non election year, you would have taken that bill in a heartbeat.
Sorry I'm not buying it.No not at those capricious numbers. That alone was a nonstarter before even getting into the weeds of unwinding/amending etc. we need to shutdown the border. The numbers already are obscene
You don’t have to. When Biden said he can shutdown the border then do it. The 5,000 8,500 etc were absurd. And again that doesn’t address locking down future admins.Sorry I'm not buying it.
My point is that Biden supported the bill for the same reason. His election chances improve if it passes and if it doesn’t, he can say “hey, I tried. Blame those guys.”You're moving the goalpost. Even if it's all Biden's fault, it's still true that the Republicans refused to do anything to fix it because they think their election chances improve if it remains an issue.
We aren't blaming Republicans for breaking immigration. We're blaming them for being dishonest, partisan hacks about their decision to ensure it stays broken.
That's fine. I'm not disagreeing with you. I'm disagreeing with the guys who are twisting themselves into knots to pretend their stance isn't purely political.My point is that Biden supported the bill for the same reason. His election chances improve if it passes and if it doesn’t, he can say “hey, I tried. Blame those guys.”
Meanwhile, we see from his first 3 years what he thinks about the border.
It’s no less dishonest and partisan than what Trump and the republicans did.
Neither side actually cares about the border except for what they can gain politically from it.
This is a very bad development for the prosecution.
Credibility you don’t parseNot sure it really matters. In fact, it may actually help because if he is up there actually admitting to stealing money then i think it would be more difficult to claim he is lying about the hush money payment and Trump's involvement, which is all the prosecution needed from him.
If he's up there lying under oath in regards to what matters (hush money payment), then why not just go ahead and lie by claiming not to be stealing from the Trump organization?
No one is claiming Cohen isn't dirty.
Yes, Cohen is dirty and yes, prosecutors rely on dirty witnesses. They often have to. Crooks tend to associate with crooks. That's not the problem. The problem is that the jury just found out today, in the closing days of the trial, that Cohen is a thief. The prosecution should be bringing to light - - - on direct - - the skeletons in a witness's closet and all the bad stuff he's done in connection with the case. You don't want that shit coming out for the first time on cross. It makes the prosecution look shady.Not sure it really matters. In fact, it may actually help because if he is up there actually admitting to stealing money then i think it would be more difficult to claim he is lying about the hush money payment and Trump's involvement, which is all the prosecution needed from him.
If he's up there lying under oath in regards to what matters (hush money payment), then why not just go ahead and lie by claiming not to be stealing from the Trump organization?
No one is claiming Cohen isn't dirty.
So what happened?This is a very bad development for the prosecution.
So what happened?
That's a serious reach. You don't take an already questionable witness and make him more credible by turning him into a thief.Not sure it really matters. In fact, it may actually help because if he is up there actually admitting to stealing money then i think it would be more difficult to claim he is lying about the hush money payment and Trump's involvement, which is all the prosecution needed from him.
If he's up there lying under oath in regards to what matters (hush money payment), then why not just go ahead and lie by claiming not to be stealing from the Trump organization?
No one is claiming Cohen isn't dirty but being honest about one's own dirty laundry may not be a bad thing for the prosecution.
State had to already know he stole. Cohen is a lawyer to boot. He too should know. That had to be known so they could address same. Otherwise that’s some serious Mickey Mouse shit
That's a serious reach. You don't take an already questionable witness and make him more credible by turning him into a thief.
Cohen also testified that he told the DA about this. It doesn't just raise issues of Cohen's credibility in the eyes of the jury, it raises questions of the prosecutor's credibility. They will wonder, why did the prosecutor try to hide this from us? What else are they hiding?He was already a thief. At least he was being honest about it on the stand. Of course, bowl has a point that it would have come off better had the prosecution pro-actively addressed it but I don't think it's some kind of smoking gun that saves Trump. And I think it would be much worse if Cohen tried to lie about it.
Crooks working for crooks isn't exactly shocking.
Game over. Or at least it would be with a remotely sane jury.Cohen also testified that he told the DA about this. It doesn't just raise issues of Cohen's credibility in the eyes of the jury, it raises questions of the prosecutor's credibility. They will wonder, why did the prosecutor try to hide this from us? What else are they hiding?
Cohen also testified that he told the DA about this. It doesn't just raise issues of Cohen's credibility in the eyes of the jury, it raises questions of the prosecutor's credibility. They will wonder, why did the prosecutor try to hide this from us? What else are they hiding?
Nonsense. The jury still might decide it believes Cohen on the Daniels stuff. This hurts the case, it doesn't invalidate it.
Yeah, this looks like really bad incompetence.If he did tell them that, then the prosecutors should have brought that stuff out on direct and controlled the narrative. Bring out the bad stuff on direct, and then get the explainer in to take the sting out of it.
State had to already know he stole. Cohen is a lawyer to boot. He too should know. That had to be known so they could address same. Otherwise that’s some serious Mickey Mouse shit
Well, it is New York where honesty and the law goes to die.I think the most likely outcomes are a guilty verdict or a hung jury. He could get a holdout or two. Zero chance of acquittal.
Exactly. Defalcation? Nah that’s too big of a word. These were tote wages. Tote wages? Right. Toten wages. Walked right out the door with them since trump stiffed me on other shit and made promises he didn’t keep. I shouldn’t have done it but was tired of trump screwing me over.If he did tell them that, then the prosecutors should have brought that stuff out on direct and controlled the narrative. Bring out the bad stuff on direct, and then get the explainer in to take the sting out of it. Cohen stealing doesn't change the underlying facts, but this was shockingly dogshit lawyering
To quote some here on this very board - “Whatever it takes”….State had to already know he stole. Cohen is a lawyer to boot. He too should know. That had to be known so they could address same. Otherwise that’s some serious Mickey Mouse shit
That’s @UncleMark and EXACTLY what he did to cray!!!! Whatever it took to kill that handle. SAY HIS NAME!!!!!! @UncleMarkTo quote some here on this very board - “Whatever it takes”….
All them Brains and you were still given a baby's arm holding an apple. The world is unfairExactly. Defalcation? Nah that’s too big of a word. These were tote wages. Tote wages? Right. Toten wages. Walked right out the door with them since trump stiffed me on other shit and made promises he didn’t keep. I shouldn’t have done it but was tired of trump screwing me over.
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And the judgement and sense of curly HowardAll them Brains and you were still given a baby's arm holding an apple. The world is unfair
Man, this place is resembling little big horn around here today. Good work Dream Team !!That’s @UncleMark and EXACTLY what he did to cray!!!! Whatever it took to kill that handle. SAY HIS NAME!!!!!! @UncleMark
He was already a thief. At least he was being honest about it on the stand. Of course, bowl has a point that it would have come off better had the prosecution pro-actively addressed it but I don't think it's some kind of smoking gun that saves Trump. And I think it would be much worse if Cohen tried to lie about it.
Crooks working for crooks isn't exactly shocking.
The other cases also suck.This has always been the weakest of the cases against DJT, and I think it's probably lost, with Cohen being so slimy (yet with some independently verified accusations).
The sandbagging of the more substantial cases (FL documents, Georgia interference, DC insurrection) is most unfortunate, for our country.