Trump should not visit Springfield, Ohio

[Ohio Guy]

For the better part of the last week or so, Trump has been promising to visit Springfield, Ohio.

This is a monumentally bad idea.

Both the Republican governor of Ohio and mayor of Springfield have asked him not to come. Springfield’s resources are already overburdened and they’ve been relying on state high patrol to fill in gaps for every day police work. Couple that with recent failings of his secret service detail and it’s a recipe for one giant shit show. I really hope he stays away.

On top of all those concerns, Ohio isn’t a battleground state. His campaign could be better served by spending time elsewhere.

That said, as dumb and ill advised it is to go there, I fully expect him to do it. If, God forbid, something crazy happens when he’s there it won’t be because of some far left secret plan. He and his campaign fully know what the situation is.

 

[sobester]

All it can do is highlight the fact they are lying. They should be running from this. The major advantage they have is there is no risk they can lose their base. They don’t research the facts and don’t care what they are anyway. The more they are proven as lies, the stronger they think the vonspiracy is.

 

[Mas-sa-suta]

For the better part of the last week or so, Trump has been promising to visit Springfield, Ohio.

This is a monumentally bad idea.

Both the Republican governor of Ohio and mayor of Springfield have asked him not to come. Springfield’s resources are already overburdened and they’ve been relying on state high patrol to fill in gaps for every day police work. Couple that with recent failings of his secret service detail and it’s a recipe for one giant shit show. I really hope he stays away.

On top of all those concerns, Ohio isn’t a battleground state. His campaign could be better served by spending time elsewhere.

That said, as dumb and ill advised it is to go there, I fully expect him to do it. If, God forbid, something crazy happens when he’s there it won’t be because of some far left secret plan. He and his campaign fully know what the situation is.

Why dumb? He has constituents who are caught up in this disaster. Why ill-advised? If he didn't go to Ohio, the corrupt MSM would bleat on and on about his lack of empathy, yada yada..
Always entertaining to see TDS infected 'progressives ' advise Trump ...

 

[sobester]

Why dumb? He has constituents who are caught up in this disaster. Why ill-advised? If he didn't go to Ohio, the corrupt MSM would bleat on and on about his lack of empathy, yada yada..
Always entertaining to see TDS infected 'progressives ' advise Trump ...

Um, because the governor, mayor, its citizens and the lady who started it all say it’s a lie?

 

[ChicagoFineForNow]

For the better part of the last week or so, Trump has been promising to visit Springfield, Ohio.

This is a monumentally bad idea.

Both the Republican governor of Ohio and mayor of Springfield have asked him not to come. Springfield’s resources are already overburdened and they’ve been relying on state high patrol to fill in gaps for every day police work. Couple that with recent failings of his secret service detail and it’s a recipe for one giant shit show. I really hope he stays away.

On top of all those concerns, Ohio isn’t a battleground state. His campaign could be better served by spending time elsewhere.

That said, as dumb and ill advised it is to go there, I fully expect him to do it. If, God forbid, something crazy happens when he’s there it won’t be because of some far left secret plan. He and his campaign fully know what the situation is.

Why are Springfield’s resources overburdened?

 

[sobester]

Rapid growth has overwhelmed Atlanta’s infrastructure. It’s still considered a great thing. It’s a necessary temporary burden for economic progress.

 

[UncleMark]

For the better part of the last week or so, Trump has been promising to visit Springfield, Ohio.

This is a monumentally bad idea.

Both the Republican governor of Ohio and mayor of Springfield have asked him not to come. Springfield’s resources are already overburdened and they’ve been relying on state high patrol to fill in gaps for every day police work. Couple that with recent failings of his secret service detail and it’s a recipe for one giant shit show. I really hope he stays away.

On top of all those concerns, Ohio isn’t a battleground state. His campaign could be better served by spending time elsewhere.

That said, as dumb and ill advised it is to go there, I fully expect him to do it. If, God forbid, something crazy happens when he’s there it won’t be because of some far left secret plan. He and his campaign fully know what the situation is.

Does anyone think he gives a shit about how this will effect anyone or anything besides his own political ends?

 

[ChicagoFineForNow]

Rapid growth has overwhelmed Atlanta’s infrastructure. It’s still considered a great thing. It’s a necessary temporary burden for economic progress.

Atlanta metro growth rates hover around 1.5% a year. Not 50% like Springfield.

Dispense with the hogwash.

 

[sobester]

Math is your friend. Well, not yours but people that can do math.

 

[ChicagoFineForNow]

Math is your friend. Well, not yours but people that can do math.

Didn’t I tell you to dispense with the hogwash? Yet here you are with more hogwash. Enough.

 

[sobester]

Didn’t I tell you to dispense with the hogwash? Yet here you are with more hogwash. Enough.

You scream at any Asians or Mexicans today at your weekly trip to Wal Mart?

 

[DANC]

For the better part of the last week or so, Trump has been promising to visit Springfield, Ohio.

This is a monumentally bad idea.

Both the Republican governor of Ohio and mayor of Springfield have asked him not to come. Springfield’s resources are already overburdened and they’ve been relying on state high patrol to fill in gaps for every day police work. Couple that with recent failings of his secret service detail and it’s a recipe for one giant shit show. I really hope he stays away.

On top of all those concerns, Ohio isn’t a battleground state. His campaign could be better served by spending time elsewhere.

That said, as dumb and ill advised it is to go there, I fully expect him to do it. If, God forbid, something crazy happens when he’s there it won’t be because of some far left secret plan. He and his campaign fully know what the situation is.

Classic blame the victim.

I bet any women shouldn't walk around Springfield showing too much skin - it would be their fault if they were attacked.

Amiright?

 

[Ohio Guy]

Classic blame the victim.

I bet any women shouldn't walk around Springfield showing too much skin - it would be their fault if they were attacked.

Amiright?

Weird that you used a rape analogy to make a criminally liable rapist out to be a victim.

 

[mcmurtry66]

Weird that you used a rape analogy to make a criminally liable rapist out to be a victim.

Who is that?

 

[Ohio Guy]

Does anyone think he gives a shit about how this will affect anyone or anything besides his own political ends?

No, I don’t. That’s why I fully expect him to go there relatively soon. He definitely shouldn’t though. If he there were any sensible adults in his campaign instead of mindless sycophants, they’d accurately assess the situation and pass on going there.

 

[Ohio Guy]

Why are Springfield’s resources overburdened?

Because they’ve had an influx of legal immigrants the city’s infrastructure wasn’t fully prepared for.

Do you think Trump visiting there makes their situation of overburdened resources better or worse?

 

[Ohio Guy]

Who is that?

Your boy

 

[mushroomgod_1]

Math is your friend. Well, not yours but people that can do math.

It was a dumbass comparison. Own it.

 

[sobester]

It was a dumbass comparison. Own it.

It wasn’t a comparison.

 

[sobester]

The company that needed all of the employment should be contributing. That’s usually how it works when cities rapidly expand industry. The taxes from the additional revenue will also help a lot. It will take time.

 

[mcmurtry66]

Your boy

Criminally liable for rape is what you wrote. That’s not even remotely accurate

 

[sobester]

Another reason not to attend is to stop terrorizing the poor parents who have pleaded for them to stop using their son’s death for political gain.

 

[ChicagoFineForNow]

The company that needed all of the employment should be contributing. That’s usually how it works when cities rapidly expand industry. The taxes from the additional revenue will also help a lot. It will take time.

That would kind of defeat the purpose of importing cheap labor if you’re going to turn around and subsidize their housing, food, city infrastructure as well.

 

[Ohio Guy]

Criminally liable for rape is what you wrote. That’s not even remotely accurate

Ok.

 

[mcmurtry66]

Ok.

You’re wrong I’m right. Okay. Civilly liable for battery

 

[Ohio Guy]

You’re wrong I’m right. Okay. Civilly liable for battery

Sounds good.

 

[mcmurtry66]

Sounds good.

It’s good to be accurate. That’s a long way from criminal rape

 

[Ohio Guy]

Another reason not to attend is to stop terrorizing the poor parents who have pleaded for them to stop using their son’s death for political gain.

Spot on. Those people lost their son in a horrible accident. Politicizing their trauma is ugly is horrible and I’d guess there is a 100% chance Trump would bring it up if he visits Springfield.

 

[sobester]

That would kind of defeat the purpose of importing cheap labor if you’re going to turn around and subsidize their housing, food, city infrastructure as well.

You’re wrong I’m right. Okay. Civilly liable for battery

You du

You’re wrong I’m right. Okay. Civilly liable for battery

You. Sure that’s what the verdict form said?

 

[Ohio Guy]

It’s good to be accurate. That’s a long way from criminal rape

You’re right. I should have used Judge Kaplan’s words more precisely:

The finding that Ms. Carroll failed to prove that she was ‘raped’ within the meaning of the New York Penal Law does not mean that she failed to prove that Mr. Trump ‘raped’ her as many people commonly understand the word ‘rape,’ ” Kaplan wrote.

He added: “Indeed, as the evidence at trial recounted below makes clear, the jury found that Mr. Trump in fact did exactly that.”

Not really interested in relitigating this. I used the wrong wording. You pointed that out. Anything beyond that, you should email Lewis Kaplan.

 

[mcmurtry66]

You du

You. Sure that’s what the verdict form said?

Yes.

 

[sobester]

Yes.

Are you super duper sure?

https://www.politico.com/news/2023/05/09/jury-verdict-form-e-jean-carroll-defamation-trial-00096059

 

[mcmurtry66]

You’re right. I should have used Judge Kaplan’s words more precisely:

The finding that Ms. Carroll failed to prove that she was ‘raped’ within the meaning of the New York Penal Law does not mean that she failed to prove that Mr. Trump ‘raped’ her as many people commonly understand the word ‘rape,’ ” Kaplan wrote.

He added: “Indeed, as the evidence at trial recounted below makes clear, the jury found that Mr. Trump in fact did exactly that.”

Not really interested in relitigating this. I used the wrong wording. You pointed that out. Anything beyond that, you should email Lewis Kaplan.

Judge sounds like a dumb shit. Jury found there was no rape. Only sexual abuse under the battery statute. Rape in a criminal trial involves different rules of evidence and burdens.

This civil battery stay was an end run around the sol for criminal actions. It’s a terrible statute.

 

[mcmurtry66]

Are you super duper sure?

https://www.politico.com/news/2023/05/09/jury-verdict-form-e-jean-carroll-defamation-trial-00096059

Do you understand it?

Battery. Civil battery

 

[BCCHoosier]

Back to the original point. You can blame the left for the migrants being there, but does not negate the fact that Trump should listen to local officials. Why add stress to an already tough situation?

 

[sobester]

Do you understand it?

Battery. Civil battery

Civil sexual abuse is what you mean.

 

[mcmurtry66]

Civil sexual abuse is what you mean.

Civil sexual abuse is what you mean.

Battery is what people with law degrees mean. The statute traveled under. The claim.

 

[Ohio Guy]

Back to the original point. You can blame the left for the migrants being there, but does not negate the fact that Trump should listen to local officials. Why add stress to an already tough situation?

Thanks - and I totally agree. This is the crux of what I was getting at. Not only is Trump going to potentially make a bad situation worse, it’s also potentially not safe for him.

 

[sobester]

Battery is what people with law degrees mean. The statute traveled under. The claim.

No. It’s not anywhere near that simple. Some states don’t even have civil battery. They just have civil assault. It appears New York has a civil statute for sexual abuse. .

 

[mcmurtry66]

No. It’s not anywhere near that simple. Some states don’t even have civil battery. They just have civil assault. It appears New York has a civil statute for sexual abuse. .

That was created to circumvent the sol. It’s still a claim for civil battery. A far cry from criminal rape