As someone who is the caregiver for a disabled parent, that's not a "but" I find reassuring in the least.
Trump ignoring the experts again
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Completely understand. I have a few family members who would fall into that category as well.
Just to let you know how contagious it is. We just had a new cluster pop up here in Singapore in the past four days.
One guy who was ill but not confirmed having it. Went for a dinner at some formal function at a golf/social club. All 9 people at his table now are confirmed, coronavirus buddies. That cretin should have stayed at home to start with. He is in his 40s.
These people then went around for the next 14 days distributing their newfound wealth!
One guy, whole table.
We were at 90+ cases for the longest time and then suddenly, it spiked to 150 as of today.
This is also a big part of the seemingly sudden economic impact. Chinese production normally plummets over CNY; those of us who do business in China know about it and plan for it and front load orders and so on. When the virus hit, China delayed manufacturers from reopening for ten days. Travel restrictions also prevented much of the workforce from returning to the manufacturing centers from the hinterlands. Eastbound containers that should have been filled shortly after CNY remained empty and outbound shipments were cancelled.
Happens every CNY. But this time it's like a hurricane hitting the shores at the highest tide.
"If I get sick, I will self-quarantine as the task force suggests. That would be the time to wear a mask when I go out"
Wrong, that would be the time to stay the hell home in your house and "self quarantine"....WTH is wrong with you?
This again, is when we should have a leader we can trust. Trump should go on tv and give a serious address laying out exactly what needs to be done. The way I have seen this most politicized is by the people who still think it’s a hoax. Just got off the phone with a friend whose sister in law is still planning on going to Italy next week. She is in her 60’s, as is her husband. They are going to celebrate his finishing his chemo from cancer. She thinks there is no big risk , it’s no worse than the flu, and the media and the Dems are trying to scare us. My friend told her it’s likely every place she wants to go to will be closed. I hope that no one gets sick that was at CPAC, but I’m hoping that Ted Cruz and some of the others that are self quarantined will get people to understand what needs to be done after exposure.
Unfortunately it's going to have to get worse to get peoples attention. A few people in the MAGA crowd are going to have to die for it to be taken seriously. I hope it fades away and they can claim it was just a hoax to bring down rump. But I'm afraid that ship has sailed. The most patriotic thing Paul Gosar could do would be to die as a public service announcement. (No I don't want him to die or even turn up positive for COV-19)
It's not Darwin Award qualifying, but it would be hard to have any sympathy for anyone dying from Covid after that.
In their 60s? Cancer? I wonder how much socialized medicine was involved in that.
You are something else.
Meanwhile, I'm on a plane headed to D.C. where a Priest tested positive and shook hands with hundreds/thousands the past couple of weeks.
Pairs well with your red hat I'll bet...
The US does indeed have vast resources, but they are spread out amongst various federal and state-wide agencies and entities, along with commercial interests. Our system here is a very fractured, disparate, political system that makes it difficult to coordinate quickly enough to react to something like this.
Frankly, I'm convinced of this: It's too late in the US to be proactive. We're solidly in the reactive phase now. It's no longer about containment. That ship has sailed. Our best hope now is to take whatever steps we can to smooth out the imminent curve of infection spikes, in order to help our system best handle the coming onslaught of patients who will require hospitalization. The Healthcare system will quickly become overwhelmed. We can only now work to minimize that as much as possible. That's our reality that will become apparent very soon. We'll soon have to take draconian measures that until now have seemed unimaginable in the US, if we hope to make a dent in that curve. I'm not confident that we're up to the task.
I hope I'm wrong, but IMHO, I don't think I will be. Maybe I've been spending too much time on /r/coronavirus on Reddit, but this is really going downhill fast.
The contact tracing is key. Guess who has the best mapping capability? FBI and their counter-terrorism colleagues/infrastructure. Then the local police. Nobody in the world has all this on such a scale.
Like I said earlier it requires federal-level involvement/management/coordination and political will. It has happened before.
There will be re-infections even if this dies down for a while. There has to be some system in play otherwise it will be with the country for infinity.
From what I've read, I think they've basically given up on contact tracing at this point and are pivoting from containment to mitigation.
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Speaking of that.. I had a red IU Titlelist hat and made it a point to buy a less red and another black IU hat to avoid that association. And that was my favorite hat. He ruins everything.
My fart on this, I had it in my head you were flying on casual trips and being cavalier about it which got me asking why?
Still, don't be reckless about it. In my opinion use common sense and possibly delay things like casual travel until we truly figure out what the hell is going on.
We'll know so much more in two to three months.
That's just stupid and negligent. Its like going down a slope without any brakes or outer boundaries/fences.
No excuses especially in view of some projections:
https://www.straitstimes.com/singapore/health/coronavirus-covid-19-likely-to-last-till-end-2020-at-least-experts?xtor=CS3-18&utm_source=STiPhone&utm_medium=share&utm_term=2020-03-09 21:03:40
Yeah. Sadly, incompetence has doomed the US on this pandemic.
I posted this before, but it looks like this is our coming reality:
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Very true.
Korea went from 354 cases 16 days ago to 7,500 some 16 days later.
Italy from one case, 5 weeks ago to nearly 9,200 and a national lockdown yesterday.
Yeap. Read that earlier.
The math don't add up.
How the mortality projection works once it passes the tipping point of the healthcare infrastructure capacity. then who knows. Like in Iran.
Over here they believe in the broken window philosophy. So like crime, viruses are managed the same way.
True, the mortality rate at that tipping point is an unknown. I just found that piece interesting in terms of projecting how soon the HC system in the US will become saturated. It's probably not too far off. Beyond that: anybody's guess. Societal changes that we can't forecast right now will have bearing.
They just got admitted a few days ago. I dont know yet. There is such a thing as Personal Data Protection
I will let you know when I find out.
Btw one of the 9 infected at that dinner table, she went to work in another location. Now 40 of her colleagues have been quarantined a few days later.
They looked so happy then, lots of thumbs up etc.....
Who pays for the testing and treatment/hospital quarantine? Insurance?
What about the uninsured?
Insurance for sure. The uninsured? I don't know...probably no one. They're probably SOL.
The gov't picks up the tab here including for me since I am a permanent resident here.
From testing to treatment to quarantine at the hospital -- single-bed room each! Socialised medicine?
Though they just announced that they will not pay for tourist/short term visitors now.
Several members of our firm attended a conference within the last two weeks where there was an executive that contracted the virus and tested positive. All of them are self-quarantined and not allowed to come into work for the next two weeks.
Had coffee with my retired physician friend this morning and I interrogated him about the age, crowds, COVID-19, and underlying conditions. Leanred a lot. (I'm headed to my annual spring training trip.). If I was flying I'd probably not go.
