People prefer Democratic policies as long as someone else is paying for them
The election has changed.
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It's not noise when Trump still hasn't conceded the 2020 election and very likely won't concede in 2024 if he loses. And his policies or gutting the federal government and replacing people and agencies with Trump loyalists isn't going to go over well. Neither is his mass deportation strategy. Those are all things he's promised. Luckily he's not good on delivering on promises - save for ending Roe v Wade - so maybe you're right. Maybe he is just a horrible f*%k up who won't be able to get anything done and will just pardon himself and sit around listening to Fox News tell him how awesome he is for the next 4 years.
And by the way, I haven't seen anything substantive that points to Trump actually helping rural Appalachians. In fact, his tariff plan may end up actually hurting him.
The reality is the left and right don't have similar cultures or views for the country. Were not alike at all. I look at liberals as weirdos and based on everything you post, you have a similar view of us. I'm fine with that, by the way, I just want a much smaller federal government so our differences matter less. The more the Federal government grows the more intense the fighting will be and less stability for the country.
The real problem is too many people are too easily offended. When did we lose our sense of humor? Why is everyone so uptight that we can no longer take a light-hearted tease directed our way? Critics who are the most vocal in protest over the comment aren’t even cat owners, let alone single and childless. When did it become so fashionable to pile on with this mob mentality?
What you’re talking about re trump policies is fine by me. Line up trump’s record and actual platform and do the same with Biden Harris. If you prefer the latter all good. That’s how we should be voting. Not based on mean words and think tank nerd fantasies and the rest. Both have a history to base on. I was going to write record but didn’t want to invite trouble
He must have been referring to her Israeli/Palestinian position expressed in earlier comments.
Most people liked Trump's first term and like him personally too. The Harris bump is artificial. She'll be back down in the 30s again in month. She's awful.
I'm not necessarily disagreeing with you and you may have a point. I'm just saying that in 2024, it's a big deal that Vance is doubling down on that statement/opinion/belief and it's detrimental politically.
I voted for Joe Biden in 2020, but I don't believe he was a candidate that got people overly excited to vote. Do you really believe he ran an inspiring enough campaign to get a record setting number of votes in 2020? I don't.
You yourself implied that DANC, Dbm, and Joe would not vote for her. That's a non-insignificant portion of the Trump voters on this site. Let's see what they say.
@DANC @Joe_Hoopsier @dbmhoosier , please feel free to add a response to my poll thread.
National polls are mostly irrelevant. Jimmy Carter had a substantial national lead over Reagan in September 1980. Hillary Clinton had a 12-point national lead over Trump three weeks before Election Day in 2016.
Also, do you seriously think she has anywhere near peaked? She will get bounces from the VP pick, the convention next month and at least one debate after Labor Day where she'll thrash Trump, assuming he isn't afraid to show up for a debate.
She is a fundraising machine. The campaign has raised $200 million since it began on July 21, with almost two-thirds from first-time donors. She had nearly 200,000 participants in a "White Dudes for Harris" Zoom last night that raised another $4 million on the spot.
She has a more extensive grassroots organization (number of field offices, number of staff and volunteers) in several key swing states than Trump. She has signed up over 175,000 new volunteers in eight days. Twenty-one mayors, including the Republican mayor of the state's third largest city, have endorsed her in the key state of Arizona (see below). She's got all the momentum and is, in sum, on a roll.
I believe that Harris, like Biden, will end up defeating Trump by a comfortable margin in the Electoral College.
Why Republican Mesa Mayor John Giles asked Arizona GOP voters to support Kamala Harris
Mesa Mayor John Giles pleads to Arizona Republicans to put country over party and vote for Vice President Kamala Harris.
www.azcentral.com
Of course he didn't. That's why the signatures don't match.
You're right.
Biden/Harris inherited a mess. There are still residuals of that mess, yes, but the US recovered faster and better than other advanced countries.
Why would we want to hand the keys over the guy who drove the economy into ground?
You simply refuse to learn. Biden and Harris CREATED A MESS. stimulus checks, stay at home, child tax credits converted to monthly checks, unemployment extensions, student loan stays, eviction stats, foreclosure stays. The massive social welfare exacerbated inflation significantly. You can see the spike. HERE. HERE. HERE. We don’t need to compare anywhere else. The fed has shown us.
Gas. Massive cost spike shortly following Biden’s attack.
Border. Reversed title 42, cut funding, reversed 3 asylum agreements, and remain in Mexico.
This is a terrible progressive policy administration.
Compare prices today to trump. Gas food housing insurance cars etc. compare border crossing numbers.
Now why would we want Harris. Equity of outcome? Why produce to give it to you people. F it. Stay home eat edibles and wait for gov checks.
Probably true. I would technically need about 500 to be statistically significant.
Then again, I'm not really sure any poll I've seen in the last 8 years has been particularly 100% representative of the actual population.
His "Stop WOKE" Act, as it applies to private workplaces, was just thrown out by a federal judge. The law was unconstitutional, which you'd think an Ivy League lawyer would have understood. So dumb.
You continuously ignore the fact that all of that started with Trump in office. He actually held up stimulus checks so he could have his name added to them. Why do you have such a blind spot for Trump cratering the economy?
Great post. And kudos for taking the high road in your reply. I don't have nearly the same degree of patience as you.
Bc I understand time and what the experts have concluded. Trump started it and Biden threw us over the cliff. There were stay orders on bills Biden flooded mailboxes with checks and people stayed home and ordered shit and overcooked the economy. Look at the dates of when inflation spiked. It was like 1.7 percent or something when Biden took over.
More frightening is trump did it to address a pandemic. The Dems did it as policy hoping the free cheese would be permanent. Thankfully manchin shut them down then everything so expensive so fast they lost the house. Cockblocked. Why is your memory so short?
Fact check: Biden again falsely claims inflation was 9% when he became president | CNN Politics
For the second time in less than a week, President Joe Biden falsely claimed Tuesday that the inflation rate was 9% when he began his presidency.
1.4 percent
Compare prices today over when Trump was in office? Extenuating circumstances aside (Trump's botched handling of the COVID effects on the economy), has there ever been a time when prices were down across the board over a four+ year window? Go back and look at prices at the end of Trump's term and then walk back four years to when Obama was in office and compare those prices.
I have news for you, whoever is sworn into office in January 2025 isn't going to magically lower prices for everything back to pre COVID prices.
Watched a Democratic pollster on C-Span this morning who in my view was attempting to deal with where the election stood based upon facts and not a biased pitch.
Bottom line, the Harris entry puts some new life back into putting a Democrat back in office while the Trump bloc remains firm.
RFK Jr. peaked out in lare Spring.
By life back into the campaign, the measurement for this is based upon donations and Democrats being polled. Polling shows those who had given up on Biden are at least considering a vote for Harris.
As to the swing states given the importance of the electoral college, too early to tell.
No mention of Black vote or females in general.
We had a 40 year high spike in inflation under Biden. Free cheese. This isn’t hard. Where do you get your info.
Of course prices won’t fall. So you want to reward the team that went 0-16 and believes in equity of outcomes? More free cheese?
"Threw us off a cliff" somehow equals recovering faster and stronger than any other advanced country in the world.
It doesn’t. That’s your bubble college liberal view. The American dream is shot for many. Houses are out of reach. Many can’t afford groceries. Gas for work. Etc.
Jesus dude - you even admitted that Trump started the the cratering of the economy in this thread. Pulling the country back from Trump's botched handling of COVID was difficult, but I would like to reward the policies that helped the country recover faster and stronger than any other advanced country in the world. The job isn't done, but inflation is going down and we're headed in the right direction.
We'll see. She also hasn't had much of an opportunity to remind people why she was the most unpopular VP in history. I'm not much of a prognosticator. She has a lot of work to do in the states she needs to win. As it stands today, Trump still has many more pathways to victory.National polls are mostly irrelevant. Jimmy Carter had a substantial national lead over Reagan in September 1980. Hillary Clinton had a 12-point national lead over Trump three weeks before Election Day in 2016.
Also, do you seriously think she has anywhere near peaked? She will get bounces from the VP pick, the convention next month and at least one debate after Labor Day where she'll thrash Trump, assuming he isn't afraid to show up for a debate.
She is a fundraising machine. The campaign has raised $200 million since it began on July 21, with almost two-thirds from first-time donors. She had nearly 200,000 participants in a "White Dudes for Harris" Zoom last night that raised another $4 million on the spot.
She has a more extensive grassroots organization (number of field offices, number of staff and volunteers) in several key swing states than Trump. She has signed up over 175,000 new volunteers in eight days. Twenty-one mayors, including the Republican mayor of the state's third largest city, have endorsed her in the key state of Arizona (see below). She's got all the momentum and is, in sum, on a roll.
I believe that Harris, like Biden, will end up defeating Trump by a comfortable margin in the Electoral College.
Why Republican Mesa Mayor John Giles asked Arizona GOP voters to support Kamala Harris
Mesa Mayor John Giles pleads to Arizona Republicans to put country over party and vote for Vice President Kamala Harris.www.azcentral.com
Yet a significant portion of Appalachia would starve without government handouts. Quite the conundrum.
I never said he cratered the economy I said Biden did. And the economy and prices aren’t the same thing. Reward the policies lmao. Stupidest shit I’ve ever record. Compare border numbers. Compare prices on everything from gas to houses to groceries. Those are the actual numbers actual data.
What Harris wants is equity of outcomes. The only thing that saved us from being worse off is blocking Biden/Harris policies. Manchin and losing the house
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You might as well argue with a brick wall...might get farther.
I think her VP pick could be big for her. Mark Kelly or Josh Shapiro are both sharp and would look great in contrast to the way Vance has stumbled out of the gate. He's unlikeable and has turned a significant subset of voters against him. Trump isn't liked by a lot of people and adding Vance didn't endear him to that crowd. The "I'm voting against Trump" crowd that came out in 2020 is getting re-energized by Harris being at the top of the ticket.
Regarding the economy, what Trump policies do you believe cratered the economy?
Regarding the recovery from that cratering, what Biden policies do you believe led to a quick and strong recovery?
This is the salient timeframe. From the feds
Biden’s American Rescue Plan worsened inflation. The question is how much.
Was it a minor contributor or a major factor in the US’s inflation woes?
www.vox.com
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