The Disinformation Governance Board--reason #914 to hate Leftists

[mushroomgod_1]

Biden blasted for policing free speech with ‘dystopian’ disinformation bureau

Some are suggesting the timing is convenient given Elon Musk vowed to make Twitter a free-speech haven after his $44 billion takeover.

nypost.com

Under the loving auspices of the Homeland Security Dept. Headed by one of the foremost proponents of the 'Biden laptop is Russian disinformation' gang. What could go wrong?

Also don't like the looks of the international "Declaration for the Future of the Internet", also touted by the demented old fool.

 

[anon_mya1phvcpf5x4]

Reason #914 to ignore mushroom's posts

 

[Crayfish57]

Reason #914 to ignore mushroom's posts

You are the only reason needed to ignore your posts.

 

[IUCrazy2]

Reason #914 to ignore mushroom's posts

What happens when this new entity is being run by say, a Ron DeSantis Administration. What would be your thoughts on its job then?

 

[MyTeamIsOnTheFloor]

Biden blasted for policing free speech with ‘dystopian’ disinformation bureau

Some are suggesting the timing is convenient given Elon Musk vowed to make Twitter a free-speech haven after his $44 billion takeover.

nypost.com

Under the loving auspices of the Homeland Security Dept. Headed by one of the foremost proponents of the 'Biden laptop is Russian disinformation' gang. What could go wrong?

Also don't like the looks of the international "Declaration for the Future of the Internet", also touted by the demented old fool.

Keep away from me, Smith. I'm an agent of Goldstein. I didn't know it myself. Thoughtcrime is so insidious. It just creeps up on you. My daughter found it out. Very proud of her. Very grateful 've been discovered before it's too late. They won't shoot me, will they, Smith?

 

[Bulk VanderHuge]

What happens when this new entity is being run by say, a Ron DeSantis Administration. What would be your thoughts on its job then?

A pre-emptive whattabout?

 

[IUCrazy2]

A pre-emptive whattabout?

No, not even a whatabout. I tend to think that is something we should all ask ourselves on decisions like this. The motive behind it is to control information. I think the assumption is made that "my team" is going to be in charge of that (in most cases) because we are bad about viewing consequences down the road. So, what happens with this power when "my team" is not in charge?

It was the same thing with Musk taking over Twitter. For years the conservatives were complaining about being silenced and about a tech company controlling such a large piece of the public square. They got told to stuff it because private companies (controlled by leftists) could do whatever the hell they wanted to do. Then that paradigm flipped overnight and now that doesn't seem to be such a great idea to those same people. Democrats in Congress were wanting Musk to come and state his intentions before the ink had dried on the purchase agreement.

Think of how the rules will apply in the hands of your rivals and you tend to get more fair rules.

 

[Indianaftw]

No, not even a whatabout. I tend to think that is something we should all ask ourselves on decisions like this. The motive behind it is to control information. I think the assumption is made that "my team" is going to be in charge of that (in most cases) because we are bad about viewing consequences down the road. So, what happens with this power when "my team" is not in charge?

It was the same thing with Musk taking over Twitter. For years the conservatives were complaining about being silenced and about a tech company controlling such a large piece of the public square. They got told to stuff it because private companies (controlled by leftists) could do whatever the hell they wanted to do. Then that paradigm flipped overnight and now that doesn't seem to be such a great idea to those same people. Democrats in Congress were wanting Musk to come and state his intentions before the ink had dried on the purchase agreement.

Think of how the rules will apply in the hands of your rivals and you tend to get more fair rules.

Yep you can't spin this. I just heard DeSantis rip it to shreds. He said theres two things you can do as a leader.
1. Step up, improve and try to make things better
2. Shut people up so they can't bitch

This is an f-ing nightmare in the making. It also is illegal according to the constitution.

Who in the hell is behind the curtain here making these calls? I guess they want a cilvil war they sure as hell keep poking an already pissed off bear.

 

[bailey777]

One thing is clear those saying biden would moderate before midterms were dead wrong. If anything he went further left. Remember biden is controlled and why they will get destroyed in november. Those controlling him are so far left they simply dont care. I guess some think they can still win in 2024.

 

[TheOriginalHappyGoat]

Ironically, it seems like the people complaining about this disinformation board are doing so on the basis of, umm, disinformation.

 

[Hoopsdoc1978]

Ironically, it seems like the people complaining about this disinformation board are doing so on the basis of, umm, disinformation.

No, I think the irony is you would be the first one in line to rail against this if it weren’t a democrat trying to implement it.

Be honest, what would you say if Trump was doing this?

 

[TheOriginalHappyGoat]

No, I think the irony is you would be the first one in line to rail against this if it weren’t a democrat trying to implement it.

Be honest, what would you say if Trump was doing this?

Doing what, exactly?

The only actual information that's out there about this - which is almost none - doesn't bother me at all. Battling disinformation from human traffickers that they use to convince more desperate people to try to sneak into America? Of course, both parties should be all for that. Russian propaganda? Both parties should agree we need to combat that.

And then...well, that's it. There's literally nothing else out there about this except for speculation.

So what exactly am I supposed to be against? Big Brother? Of course I'm against Big Brother. But so far, Big Brother only exists in the fevered imaginations of right-wing pundits.

In other words, misinformation.

 

[Zeester]

Reason #914 to ignore mushroom's posts

Nothing like liars to screen everyone for lying. Great policy.

 

[anon_mya1phvcpf5x4]

Nothing like liars to screen everyone for lying. Great policy.

One would have to lie to be a liar. Nice try

 

[NPT]

Doing what, exactly?

The only actual information that's out there about this - which is almost none - doesn't bother me at all. Battling disinformation from human traffickers that they use to convince more desperate people to try to sneak into America? Of course, both parties should be all for that. Russian propaganda? Both parties should agree we need to combat that.

And then...well, that's it. There's literally nothing else out there about this except for speculation.

So what exactly am I supposed to be against? Big Brother? Of course I'm against Big Brother. But so far, Big Brother only exists in the fevered imaginations of right-wing pundits.

In other words, misinformation.

I would have no problem with it IF I thought getting rid of all misinformation was their goal but I don't believe that for a second. They will use it to further their agenda and I would say the same thing if it was a Republican administration doing it. It's just too big of a temptation for either side.

 

[Jg48]

One would have to lie to be a liar. Nice try

You are missing the point badly. This is not a petty name calling issue. The current Presidential administration of the United States was using internet companies to limit free speech. Now, it most likely, will not be able to do so. So this administration has now appointed a "disinformation czar" in an attempt to limit free speech in another way, by using government resources. Every US citizen should be alarmed without exception. The ACLU should be going nuts...and yet, not a peep.

Watch the speech the "President" gives in the movie the "American President" defending the right of free speech. It may be fiction but, it is a great statement on free speech and the importance of protecting it.

 

[TomEric4756]

As long as the narrative remains more important than the facts, nothing can be believed,

 

[mcmurtry66]

Doing what, exactly?

The only actual information that's out there about this - which is almost none - doesn't bother me at all. Battling disinformation from human traffickers that they use to convince more desperate people to try to sneak into America? Of course, both parties should be all for that. Russian propaganda? Both parties should agree we need to combat that.

And then...well, that's it. There's literally nothing else out there about this except for speculation.

So what exactly am I supposed to be against? Big Brother? Of course I'm against Big Brother. But so far, Big Brother only exists in the fevered imaginations of right-wing pundits.

In other words, misinformation.

Well speculation and timing. I think the timing of this belies any pretense of genuine concern on the part of the admin. This is a response to Musk. As we learned with Covid the narrative is far more important than actual facts w/ regard to screening information. Cops and unarmed killings as well. If the roles were reversed Dems would be upset. That they position themselves as the arbiter of what is or isn't disinformation is a combination is both comical and insulting to people who can read for themselves

 

[mcmurtry66]

As long as the narrative remains more important than the facts nothing can be believed,

Exactly

 

[TheOriginalHappyGoat]

Well speculation and timing. I think the timing of this belies any pretense of genuine concern on the part of the admin. As we learned with Covid the narrative is far more important than actual facts w/ regard to screening information. Cops and unarmed killings as well. If the roles were reversed Dems would be upset. That they position themselves as the arbiter of what is or isn't disinformation is comical

C'mon, man. DHS has been examining how to handle this part of its mission for three years. Timing is a coincidence.

Find me what exactly Mayorkas or anyone else has said that you object to. Just give me one quote.

 

[Indianaftw]

Doing what, exactly?

The only actual information that's out there about this - which is almost none - doesn't bother me at all. Battling disinformation from human traffickers that they use to convince more desperate people to try to sneak into America? Of course, both parties should be all for that. Russian propaganda? Both parties should agree we need to combat that.

And then...well, that's it. There's literally nothing else out there about this except for speculation.

So what exactly am I supposed to be against? Big Brother? Of course I'm against Big Brother. But so far, Big Brother only exists in the fevered imaginations of right-wing pundits.

In other words, misinformation.

When you have an idiot singing super cala fraga about hunters laptop something is extremely mentally whacked. But you keep supporting that ok. Your tax dollars are. You should be happy I suppose. Maybe you should start videoing rhymes. You could start with the bans and threats about me since I'm such a disinformation spreader. 5.2 million dollars. Let's start there got a rhyme for that?

 

[mcmurtry66]

C'mon, man. DHS has been examining how to handle this part of its mission for three years. Timing is a coincidence.

Find me what exactly Mayorkas or anyone else has said that you object to. Just give me one quote.

Ahh. A perfectly timed coincidence. The clock is ticking so it won't matter much. Nov the pendulum will swing the opposite way

 

[TheOriginalHappyGoat]

Ahh. A perfectly timed coincidence. The clock is ticking so it won't matter much. Nov the pendulum will swing the opposite way

Mass programmed outrage. You've all been triggered by the right wing pundits, but not a single one of you can form your own coherent objection. That should be a red flag.

 

[mcmurtry66]

Mass programmed outrage. You've all been triggered by the right wing pundits, but not a single one of you can form your own coherent objection. That should be a red flag.

The objection has been articulated for quite some time. That you are deaf to it or choose to ignore it is your problem. This administration is in no position to be the arbiter of what is or isn't disinformation. Any attempts to censor speech from them should raise a red flag. It's more gov overreach. And if you don't think they've been pushing narratives from crime to covid to woke culture to race-baiting you've been programmed. Nov will reveal the nation's temperature and awareness of same. See Tom's post in the Musk twitter thread

 

[Indianaftw]

Declaration of the future of the internet. Brought to you by...The DNC because if we don't like what you say we can turn you off. And by the fbi, doj, and cia who in conjuction with the msm set people up including US citizens and sitting presidents.

Can't wait for the future. Thanks Democrats.

 

[TheOriginalHappyGoat]

The objection has been articulated for quite some time. That you are deaf to it or choose to ignore it is your problem. This administration is in no position to be the arbiter of what is or isn't disinformation. Any attempts to censor speech from them should raise a red flag. It's more gov overreach. And if you don't think they've been pushing narratives from crime to covid to woke culture to race-baiting you've been programmed. Nov will reveal the nation's temperature and awareness of same. See Tom's post in the Musk twitter thread

I hear objections to fantasies. I don't hear any coherent objections to the tiny bits of actual information we have about this DHS program.

 

[anon_mya1phvcpf5x4]

I would have no problem with it IF I thought getting rid of all misinformation was their goal but I don't believe that for a second. They will use it to further their agenda and I would say the same thing if it was a Republican administration doing it. It's just too big of a temptation for either side.

That is why it should be bipartisan...although that is a foreign concept now a days.

They could at least bring back the fairness doctrine. Or do something along the lines of making media lying have similar repercussions as lying in court.

 

[anon_mlxxvlbug9dpa]

Doing what, exactly?

The only actual information that's out there about this - which is almost none - doesn't bother me at all. Battling disinformation from human traffickers that they use to convince more desperate people to try to sneak into America? Of course, both parties should be all for that. Russian propaganda? Both parties should agree we need to combat that.

And then...well, that's it. There's literally nothing else out there about this except for speculation.

So what exactly am I supposed to be against? Big Brother? Of course I'm against Big Brother. But so far, Big Brother only exists in the fevered imaginations of right-wing pundits.

In other words, misinformation.

We can directionally agree on this. Where we will diverge is the likelihood of this office declaring things they don’t like to be Russian propaganda or misinformation. Remember how quickly the apparatus mobilized to declare Hunter’s laptop to be Russian propaganda. It was instantaneous and it was pathetic. Again, I find Hunter’s laptop’s contents to be a nothing burger but what happened around it is very telling and frightening.

This office is probably a bad idea. But this admin is proving itself to be chock full of them.

 

[Indianaftw]

The objection has been articulated for quite some time. That you are deaf to it or choose to ignore it is your problem. This administration is in no position to be the arbiter of what is or isn't disinformation. Any attempts to censor speech from them should raise a red flag. It's more gov overreach. And if you don't think they've been pushing narratives from crime to covid to woke culture to race-baiting you've been programmed. Nov will reveal the nation's temperature and awareness of same. See Tom's post in the Musk twitter thread

Your shouting at deaf ears. They like bidens policies and defend it. None of them deal with 3500 extra bucks a week in a gas tank costing me 14 grand a month. They like and support shortages and inflation. They like a government that spies on its citizens. It all starts off small and then gets bigger. Dumba$$es gonna Dumda$$ I ain't paying for a rhyming fool you can count on that.

 

[TheOriginalHappyGoat]

That is why it should be bipartisan...although that is a foreign concept now a days.

They could at least bring back the fairness doctrine. Or do something along the lines of making media lying have similar repercussions as lying in court.

FFS. No, no, no, no, no. You are buying into their strange paranoia and then trying to justify it. DHS has not announced some kind of censorship bureau. If they did, the righties here would be absolutely correct to oppose it.

 

[TheOriginalHappyGoat]

We can directionally agree on this. Where we will diverge is the likelihood of this office declaring things they don’t like to be Russian propaganda or misinformation. Remember how quickly the apparatus mobilized to declare Hunter’s laptop to be Russian propaganda. It was instantaneous and it was pathetic. Again, I find Hunter’s laptop’s contents to be a nothing burger but what happened around it is very telling and frightening.

This office is probably a bad idea. But this admin is proving itself to be chock full of them.

It might be a bad idea. But that's not what anyone here is objecting to. They are objecting to paranoid conspiracy theory ravings of what this thing even is.

Which, to go back to my original post, is hilarious, because it is quite literally misinformation.

 

[mcmurtry66]

It might be a bad idea. But that's not what anyone here is objecting to. They are objecting to paranoid conspiracy theory ravings of what this thing even is.

Which, to go back to my original post, is hilarious, because it is quite literally misinformation.

I hear objections to fantasies. I don't hear any coherent objections to the tiny bits of actual information we have about this DHS program.

No. It's one thing to create an agency/team/task force which i understand was already in place without a name attached to it to monitor foreign propaganda; it's wholly different to turn same on US citizens. Let's see how it plays out. Maybe it'll be a nothingburger, but again I don't buy the timing as coincidental nor do I trust this admin or msm to have objectivity as their charge. I trust they are pushing an agenda and want to limit info that challenges their narrative. Have we forgotten Covid? The summer of love? Race-baiting? But we'll see in time. I'll bet anything the offending info won't be limited to Russia We'll see in time.

 

[IUCrazy2]

Mass programmed outrage. You've all been triggered by the right wing pundits, but not a single one of you can form your own coherent objection. That should be a red flag.

Off the top of my head:

1. The Hunter Laptop story right before the election. There was an effort by intelligence, the media, tech companies, etc. to throttle a true story because it was really unfavorable to their choice as President. Almost 1 in 5 Biden voters after the election indicated that if they were more abreast of that story, it would have changed their vote. (16% IIRC). The woman pegged to stop disinformation was all in on that bit of disinformation.

2. The throttling of discussion around COVID. There were multiple items in that two year timeframe that in the beginning would get you labeled a conspiracy theorist, get you blocked on most social media, and then ended up being the "most likely explanation" accepted by the scientific community. (How the virus got loose in the first place being one of them.)

3. The Time magazine article bragging about the coordinated campaign to defeat a sitting President by pushing to change election law on the fly. The D.C. establishment, the progressive left, labor, and big business were all listed as individuals who got together:

Their work touched every aspect of the election. They got states to change voting systems and laws and helped secure hundreds of millions in public and private funding. They fended off voter-suppression lawsuits, recruited armies of poll workers and got millions of people to vote by mail for the first time. They successfully pressured social media companies to take a harder line against disinformation and used data-driven strategies to fight viral smears.

The disinformation they wanted blocked were things like the Hunter laptop and that mail in ballots are considered some of the least secure methods of voting worldwide. Disinformation that, in fact, was actually factual information. The former, as I mentioned above, potentially impacted who won and the latter hurt confidence in the results. Around the time of the election when you would Google "mail in ballots" you would get all sorts of results about why they were not widely used around the world. Like a 1975 case in Corsica, France of massive fraud. Do a Google search now and all you get are articles that came out in late 2020 and early 2021 about how "safe" they really are.

So now we want to enshrine this effort with a new office within DHS. We had a defacto ministry of truth that admitted they were more than willing to use the most powerful sections of U.S. society to secretly propagandize the public to fit the needs of the bipartisan movers and shakers in D.C.

The government does not need any more power to throttle messages it dislikes than it already has. Russian "disinformation" campaigns like the Steele Dossier and Biden's laptop have all gone one way recently. And none of them were Russian disinformation. It was things being created or hidden by the same people invested in the messaging in the Times article. We don't need any more of that.

 

[TheOriginalHappyGoat]

No. It's one thing to create an agency/team/task force which i understand was already in place without a name attached to it to monitor foreign propaganda; it's wholly different to turn same on US citizens. Let's see how it plays out. Maybe it'll be a nothingburger, but again I don't buy the timing as coincidental nor do I trust this admin or msm to have objectivity as their charge. I trust they are pushing an agenda and want to limit info that challenges their narrative. But we'll see in time

Who says they are turning it on American citizens? Right wing paranoia says it.

 

[NPT]

We can directionally agree on this. Where we will diverge is the likelihood of this office declaring things they don’t like to be Russian propaganda or misinformation. Remember how quickly the apparatus mobilized to declare Hunter’s laptop to be Russian propaganda. It was instantaneous and it was pathetic. Again, I find Hunter’s laptop’s contents to be a nothing burger but what happened around it is very telling and frightening.

This office is probably a bad idea. But this admin is proving itself to be chock full of them.

Exactly..... anyone knows that if a story came out that would hurt Biden they would immediately classify it as misinformation with really no data to back it up. The same thing would be true if a Republican was president.

 

[mcmurtry66]

Who says they are turning it on American citizens? Right wing paranoia says it.

And the ranking member of the homeland security and governmental affairs committee - but what would he know....

 

[anon_mya1phvcpf5x4]

FFS. No, no, no, no, no. You are buying into their strange paranoia and then trying to justify it. DHS has not announced some kind of censorship bureau. If they did, the righties here would be absolutely correct to oppose it.

I wasn't trying to confirm or deny what they think the dems are doing. I don't believe anything posted by people that constantly buy into gop propaganda.

Just thinking out loud how this barrage of misinformation could be tackled.

 

[TheOriginalHappyGoat]

And the ranking member of the homeland security and governmental affairs committee - but what would he know....

No, he didn't say that. He said it would be bad if they did, which was cynical baiting of the right, but it worked, because you all ran with it.

 

[mcmurtry66]

No, he didn't say that. He said it would be bad if they did, which was cynical baiting of the right, but it worked, because you all ran with it.

"As the author of the bipartisan law that established the Global Engagement Center to combat the constantly evolving threat of foreign propaganda and disinformation abroad, I do not believe that the United States government should turn the tools that we have used to assist our allies counter foreign adversaries onto the American people," he said in a statement on Thursday.

"Our focus should be on bad actors like Russia and China, not our own citizens," he said, adding that he looks forward to pressing Secretary Mayorkas for answers when he appears before the committee next week.

We'll find out. I don't trust their motive

 

[MyTeamIsOnTheFloor]

Its the first step - the cornerstone - for The Ministry of Truth.

Wake up.

Its genesis is a private company that has been censoring “Trumpers” for Democrats about to be acquired by a private citizen who will apparently apply less censorship of “Trumpers.” And the left is freaking out. Ideas they don't like petrify them. It is why they created “woke cancel culture.” They are gonna impose Unithought by any means necessary. It started when Woodstock Nation deemed Bob Dylan a traitor for going electric, and has been out there in some form ever since, growing like a spider in a cave, waiting for hobbits.

The left wants the government to declare certain speech “misinformation” and ban it.

Imagine an agency deciding which speech can be publicly disseminated in a newspaper. You like that? Change “newspaper” to “internet.”

You delude yourself to think its limit is fighting child exploitation? Did Biden fight sexploitation at the border? Nope. Its a ruse by the Inner Party.

Anybody who thinks this is not an attempt to censor political speech is naive (first eaten) or partisan (last eaten) or evil (in cahoots).

I am completely shocked that the entire citizenry of the United States has not demanded an end to this already.

The scorpion always stings the frog. Its why our nation was careful to create LIMITED government.