The complaint is public
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Looks we can add threatening a witness to his obstruction of justice charge. Keep them coming Mr. President.
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Yep, someone should have told him to quit digging. Those people are now witnesses, and threatening them is entirely wrong.
Cosmic, good point.
According to this link the impeachment process pushed the Clinton approval rating up to 73% from the high 50s prior to the impeachment process,
The link in part states,
Clinton's job approval rating ranged from 36% in mid-1993 to 64% in late 1993 and early 1994.[1] In his second term, his rating consistently ranged from the high-50s to the high-60s.[1][2] After his impeachment proceedings in 1998 and 1999, Clinton's rating reached its highest point at 73% approval.[3] He finished with a Gallup poll approval rating of 65%,[4] higher than that of every other departing president measured since Harry Truman.[5]
Are you really this dense? The complaint released today matches up basically exactly with the transcript released yesterday..... for anyone with a functioning brain, that would confirm that the whistleblower is very accurate with his report. For the life of me, I can't figure out why the WH agreed to release the transcript. They basically just gave full credibility to this complaint by confirming it's accuracy.
Except nothing that's been reported actually happened during the call. He didn't ask for help in the 2020 election. No quid pro quo. He didn't withhold funds. So, again, a huge nothingburger. A much to do about nothing. More boy who cried wolf from the Democrats.
That's not what you were talking about.... you said the whistle blower was just a partisan with hearsay .... but yet the basis of his complaint was totally corroborated by the transcript (a transcript nobody would know existed if not for the whistleblower, BTW) .... which makes the complaint and the whistleblower fully credible.
The huge problem for the WH is now the whistleblower can tell investigators exactly the witnesses that provided him this info..... and they will all be put under oath and testifying. The same witness that Trump is out today calling spies and insinuating should be executed.
And they most certainly did withhold funds.... at the express direction of Trump himself. State Dept had no idea why the funds were being held up for months.... only that it was ordered by the President. Only AFTER the WH finds out about this complaint do they release the funds. Keep digging.
Trump is going to get impeached by this, and Rudy is going down as well. They both have lost their minds.
Why is it that Trump continually is a victim of these left wing conspiracies? Obama was hated by the right and GW was hated by the left, but neither of them had this problem (because both were on the level). Frankly, we’re so sick of your excuses and silly conspiracy theories. Face it, your president is one corrupt SOB. Always has been and always will be. I doubt the majority of Americans will give him much sympathy as more evidence comes forward.
New Poll.....50% support opening impeachment proceedings.
https://thehill.com/homenews/admini...ether-trumps-actions-toward-ukraine-amount-to
https://thehill.com/homenews/admini...ether-trumps-actions-toward-ukraine-amount-to
No quid pro quo. No funds being withheld. No other fairytale issues dreamed up by the Democrats. I hope the Dems do move forward with impeachment. It will help Trump.
I'm sure you were one of those who were convinced Trump colluded with Russia, too, amirite?!
Need to wait a week or two...
Does anyone know why the hell the IG himself didn't testify? He's the one we need to hear from...
I apologize if I missed this, but has there been any explanation as to why the Ukraine aid package increased over the original amount? That would seem to be a relevant inquiry here.
No you are not right, just like what you wrote here is incorrect as well. Maybe if your head wasn't up your ass all the time you'd realize that. I wrote for years on here the Russian issue was going absolutely nowhere. This ain't that, but you sure can jump to conclusions pretty damn quick.
I'd say that is a huge sea change. Before it was always sub-30%... just the hard core left. We will see what it looks like in a few weeks.
Or maybe he likes his president to be corrupt. I’m beginning to think his 35% base loves that he does whatever he wants regardless of whether it’s ethical or within the law.Maybe SNU is a corrupt SOB as well. Corrupt SOBs usually like other corrupt SOBs. You know the "comrade syndrome."
Conservatives a few days ago: Bill Weld accused Trump of treason and suggests that it's punishable by death! Anyone and everyone who opposes Trump has lost their mind. The humanity! What a world, what a world!
Conservatives after reading the quote you posted: Is there a raffle to determine who gets to throw the switch on this sniveling little rat that turned on Trump?
I think at least some of his base feels exactly that way.
I think there is a real possibility Trump is toast.
I do find this tweet thread very interesting as it does raise other questions.
Is he referring back to his "military" days? LOL...
You seem to be confused. Guessing you didn't read the whistleblower complaint? The call was not the first instance that caused concern,but rather the impetus for filing the report and detailing the issues people had raised with him previously...
And he did withhold funds- it's one of the issues detailed in the complaint. The whistleblower also maintains that he was told that the Ukrainians were well aware that a pre condition for a meeting or call with Trump (to discuss the funds they sought) hinged on them "playing ball"... From page 7...
"During this same time frame, multiple US officials told me that the Ukranian leadership was led to believe that a meeting or a phone call between the President and President Zelensky would depend on whether Zelensky showed willingness to "play ball" on the issues that had been publicly aired by Mr Lustenko and Mr Giuliani."
This is easy to verify one way or another once witnesses are called. And if witnesses corroborate this account, if strikes me as pretty damning...
I to think it is a real possibility Trump is impeached. I also hope the witnesses are put under oath and testify.
The whistleblower was pretty close with what was released by the whitehouse.
I think they were probably somewhat relieved. As it has been reported that a lot was 2nd hand info.
Leaving aside your cogent analysis, it's your last two sentences that interest me.
I've said before that Trump is a sociopath, and this is exactly what I think. But because he's Trump, he's also an incompetent sociopath. Thus he can't even fake empathy, and he doesn't care about or even recognize the limits of norms and rules, so he's oblivious to them and thus unwary of them. I obviously wouldn't have predicted this particular cockup, but when you elect a corrupt unfit disloyal imbecile, this is the sort of thing you should expect.
Meanwhile, Giuliani may as well be doing performance art instead of practicing . . . well, not law, but whatever the hell he's practicing. Only a cretin like Trump would select as his confidential emissary a very former lawyer who's apparently taken on a second career as a drunken goombah vampire impersonator and TV personality.
It's quite a show.
It puzzles me that some think laws should apply based on a popularity contest. The law is the law no matter public sentiment. If Trump broke the law, he broke the law. Who gives a sh!t what a poll says.
Comparing the complaint with the "transcript", there are errors or discrepancies.
I guess we should expect that since it was not first-hand info.
Yeah, yet it's a very powerful jumping off point for bringing in witnesses. And the nuts and bolts of the complaint were amazingly accurate. It will go down as a huge bungle to have released that transcript.
If Newt could impeach over Clinton lying about a BJ, seems a pretty clear runway to do so over such a direct abuse of office as that transcript showed.
Yes, it is, but unless it was Trump who ordered the concealment, it's evidence that his aides were conscious of his guilt. I think that Trump has limited consciousness of his own guilt (this is the guy who thought the explosive "transcript" would be exculpatory), so it's plausible that Trump might not have ordered the concealment because he didn't really comprehend the problem.
Having said so, recall the infamous op-ed from the anonymous insider who basically said, "Sure Trump's unfit, but we're heroically preventing harm from within." I'm sure there was some of that going on. But as we're now seeing, insiders have also enabled a walking national security threat and concealed outrageous misconduct from the voting public. This is much less than heroic, and I'd like to know much more about it.
Along the lines of Trump's limited consciousness of guilt, recall that Trump initially ridiculed the notion that he'd cross the line in a call where others were listening. "How stupid are you to imagine I'd do something that stupid?", Trump effectively asked. Well, I think it's very likely that a corrupt unfit disloyal imbecile would do something that stupid. And now we know he did.
Trump says the quiet parts out loud and engages openly in misconduct, so people assume it must be okay, because no one would be that clueless. This is not a valid assumption.
That is up from (I believe) 29% last week and will hit 65% by the end of next week. There are some major puzzle pieces coming together, the most interesting to me are the Russian conversations potentially hidden on the same server.
If you think that's bad, imagine the content he's shared in his 1-1 meetings with VV. Putin, when literally no one is listening, and there is no transcript. State secrets.
I assure you of this and IMO further...the more anti-establishment, against the rules, "bad guy" this gets...the more the fringe will love it. They feel they deserve it somehow for being marginalized. But that base will shrink.
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