No. Hunters special treatment is factual. Even the judge noted that upon reading the plea deal.
If I’m a jury member, I’m not seeing it. You need direct ties and some evidence that there was a quid pro quo. Right?
Yes, some agree with you on the treatment. Others don’t, including very conservative legal experts. I don’t know.
You need quid pro quo for bribery . That is still unclear, but the layers are coming off the onion as I write this.
Apparently now other irs agents are verifying what the whistleblowers maintained about obstruction. Guess we’ll see
Not necessarily. When I compare credibility, the whistleblowers win. They presented details, times, events, and names. The DOJ said what everyone would expect fro the DOJ, would say. The same thing you’d expect from a kid with his hand in the cookie jar.
Kind of, but there is still no evidence that Joe got money from Hunter. Right?
You keep repeating that. It’s like saying there’s no proof iu won Saturday’s game when the game is in the first quarter. Hunter hasn’t been deposed. I’m sure he will be questioned about the lllcs, bank records, partners all of it
You don’t know that. He hasn’t been deposed. He just got indicted. Whistleblowers were interfered with per their testimony and apparently verification by other agents. Lllcs. Emails between joe and hunter’s partner. Let’s wait a few months and see what it all reveals.
There is more to it than that. Wray testified no special treatment. But the whistleblowers are IRS investigators. Wray wouldn’t have knowledge and as far as I know, the FBI didn’t investigate the IRS.
You need to meet some IRS criminal investigators and long term agents. These folks aren’t grunt workers pissed at the world. Outrageous to me to say their lying.
People forget after the IRS whistleblowers came out, the special prosecutor had to keep changing his stories after other agents confirmed the whistleblowers version of meetings.
It is great you guys finally care about corruption...even if not caring so much about actual evidence
@IU_Hickory why after the judge called their bullshit deal did the special prosecutor file tax fraud charges? Guess the whistleblowers were correct in their thoughts on Biden.
Why do you think you are a special investigator after 4 years of ignoring/defending corruption?
No addressing the special prosecutor getting caught with sweetheart political favoritism deal. Only problem is the worst tax fraud can’t be charged because the special prosecutor slow walked them until the statute ran.
And I did that while driving to my cardiologist appointment in Jasper at 7:45 this morning.REPORT: stoll wins the board today for his correct use of a six syllable word.
Hope everything is okay.
Maybe they are lying, maybe they’re not. I’ve freely admitted that I’m not inclined to believe whistleblowers until they’re proven right because most often they aren’t right. If anything leads beyond Hunter to Biden, awesome. They just aren’t there yet.
I strongly disagree with you on whistleblowers. And having read the comments from the one guy it sounds like it was a difficult decision and not fun but he had courage.
Roger. I have little faith in whistleblowers and you like them. That’s OK with me.
It’s interesting to me the gov ees are above reproach when it comes to investigating trump yet two career irs agents, bureaucrats, one of whom said he’s a Dem, are questionable. As stoll stated they will have a record of their actions to corroborate
As to preferential treatment he was granted a deal by Doj to walk. Judge caught it and now he’s looking at 17 years or some shit.
Whistleblowers are more credible than anonymous sources. We gotta look at them on a case by case basis. The IRS whistleblowers are entrenched in the deep state, are career investigators, have first hand knowledge of what they say, and reacted to political manipulation of their own jobs. This is far different than Vindman who was a partisan tattle-tale.
Joe sure did loan out a lot of money to his family......
I don’t know what any of that means. That’s why you take depos
I agree, he needs to be deposed. But the reason he is being called to deposition is because there is evidence there.
liberal = partisan tattle tale
That take us about your upper limit.
and yet other people testified under oath that they were full of shit.
Nobody testified they were full of shit. All anybody ever did was deny, which is exactly what they’d be expected to do. Nobody‘s gonna admit to politically influencing an investigation. And IIRC the denials came from political appointees, not career people.and yet other people testified under oath that they were full of shit.
Shocking you believe those tattle tales
Neither of those 2 guys were particularly high ranking (despite their fancy titles). This is another example of the MAGA Committee manipulating the perception, because they had closed door testimony from actual supervisory personnel contradicitng much of the testimony given by the two (particularly Shapely).
other than the fact that ziegler handled "95% of the investigation." the below are also damning and don't inure to your benefit like you think. hte fact that the two weren't high ranking and actually doing the grunt work actually provides more credence to their claims of interference. sounds like they did their usual work and then when it went up the flagpole became more politicized and preferential treatment resulted
“Any time we potentially wanted to go down the road of asking questions related to the president, it was, ‘That’s gonna take too much approvals. We can’t ask those questions,'” Ziegler told CBS News.
assuming the witnesses that conservative propaganda are highlighting are telling the truth and not the ones they are trying to hide.
