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Seattle coronavirus survivor gets a $1.1 million, 181-page hospital bill

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Coronavirus survival comes with a $1.1 million, 181-page price tag
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Remember Michael Flor, the longest-hospitalized COVID-19 patient who, when he unexpectedly did not die, was jokingly dubbed “the miracle child?”

Now they can also call him the million-dollar baby.

Flor, 70, who came so close to death in the spring that a night-shift nurse held a phone to his ear while his wife and kids said their final goodbyes, is recovering nicely these days at his home in West Seattle. But he says his heart almost failed a second time when he got the bill from his health care odyssey the other day.

“I opened it and said ‘holy [bleep]!’ “ Flor says.

The total tab for his bout with the coronavirus: $1.1 million. $1,122,501.04, to be exact. All in one bill that’s more like a book because it runs to 181 pages.


The bill is technically an explanation of charges, and because Flor has insurance including Medicare, he won’t have to pay the vast majority of it. In fact because he had COVID-19, and not a different disease, he might not have to pay anything — a quirk of this situation I’ll get to in a minute.

But for now it’s got him and his family and friends marveling at the extreme expense, and bizarre economics, of American health care.

Flor was in Swedish Medical Center in Issaquah with COVID-19 for 62 days, so he knew the bill would be a doozy. He was unconscious for much of his stay, but once near the beginning his wife Elisa Del Rosario remembers him waking up and saying: “You gotta get me out of here, we can’t afford this.”

Just the charge for his room in the intensive care unit was billed at $9,736 per day. Due to the contagious nature of the virus, the room was sealed and could only be entered by medical workers wearing plastic suits and headgear. For 42 days he was in this isolation chamber, for a total charged cost of $408,912.

He also was on a mechanical ventilator for 29 days, with the use of the machine billed at $2,835 per day, for a total of $82,215. About a quarter of the bill is drug costs.

The list of charges indirectly tells the story of Flor’s battle. For the two days when his heart, kidneys and lungs were all failing and he was nearest death, the bill runs for 20 pages and totals nearly $100,000 as doctors “were throwing everything at me they could think of,” Flor says.

In all, there are nearly 3,000 itemized charges, about 50 per day. Usually hospitals get paid only a portion of the amount they bill, as most have negotiated discounts with insurance companies. The charges don’t include the two weeks of recuperating he did in a rehab facility.

Going through it all, Flor said he was surprised at his own reaction. Which was guilt.

“I feel guilty about surviving,” he says. “There’s a sense of ‘why me?’ Why did I deserve all this? Looking at the incredible cost of it all definitely adds to that survivor’s guilt.”

There also are special financial rules that apply only to COVID-19. Congress set aside more than $100 billion to help hospitals and insurance companies defray the costs of the pandemic, in part to encourage people to seek testing and treatment (including those with no insurance). As a result, Flor probably won’t have to pay even his Medicare Advantage policy’s out-of-pocket charges, which could have amounted to $6,000.

The insurance industry has estimated treatment costs just for COVID-19 could top $500 billion, however, so Congress is being asked to step up with more money.

The writer David Lat got a $320,000 bill for his COVID-19 treatment, and also ended up paying nothing. Yet he heard from dozens of cancer and leukemia patients who have been hit with big bills or co-pays during this same time period.

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Coronavirus survival comes with a $1.1 million, 181-page price tag
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Remember Michael Flor, the longest-hospitalized COVID-19 patient who, when he unexpectedly did not die, was jokingly dubbed “the miracle child?”

Now they can also call him the million-dollar baby.

Flor, 70, who came so close to death in the spring that a night-shift nurse held a phone to his ear while his wife and kids said their final goodbyes, is recovering nicely these days at his home in West Seattle. But he says his heart almost failed a second time when he got the bill from his health care odyssey the other day.

“I opened it and said ‘holy [bleep]!’ “ Flor says.

The total tab for his bout with the coronavirus: $1.1 million. $1,122,501.04, to be exact. All in one bill that’s more like a book because it runs to 181 pages.


The bill is technically an explanation of charges, and because Flor has insurance including Medicare, he won’t have to pay the vast majority of it. In fact because he had COVID-19, and not a different disease, he might not have to pay anything — a quirk of this situation I’ll get to in a minute.

But for now it’s got him and his family and friends marveling at the extreme expense, and bizarre economics, of American health care.

Flor was in Swedish Medical Center in Issaquah with COVID-19 for 62 days, so he knew the bill would be a doozy. He was unconscious for much of his stay, but once near the beginning his wife Elisa Del Rosario remembers him waking up and saying: “You gotta get me out of here, we can’t afford this.”

Just the charge for his room in the intensive care unit was billed at $9,736 per day. Due to the contagious nature of the virus, the room was sealed and could only be entered by medical workers wearing plastic suits and headgear. For 42 days he was in this isolation chamber, for a total charged cost of $408,912.

He also was on a mechanical ventilator for 29 days, with the use of the machine billed at $2,835 per day, for a total of $82,215. About a quarter of the bill is drug costs.

The list of charges indirectly tells the story of Flor’s battle. For the two days when his heart, kidneys and lungs were all failing and he was nearest death, the bill runs for 20 pages and totals nearly $100,000 as doctors “were throwing everything at me they could think of,” Flor says.

In all, there are nearly 3,000 itemized charges, about 50 per day. Usually hospitals get paid only a portion of the amount they bill, as most have negotiated discounts with insurance companies. The charges don’t include the two weeks of recuperating he did in a rehab facility.

Going through it all, Flor said he was surprised at his own reaction. Which was guilt.

“I feel guilty about surviving,” he says. “There’s a sense of ‘why me?’ Why did I deserve all this? Looking at the incredible cost of it all definitely adds to that survivor’s guilt.”

There also are special financial rules that apply only to COVID-19. Congress set aside more than $100 billion to help hospitals and insurance companies defray the costs of the pandemic, in part to encourage people to seek testing and treatment (including those with no insurance). As a result, Flor probably won’t have to pay even his Medicare Advantage policy’s out-of-pocket charges, which could have amounted to $6,000.

The insurance industry has estimated treatment costs just for COVID-19 could top $500 billion, however, so Congress is being asked to step up with more money.

The writer David Lat got a $320,000 bill for his COVID-19 treatment, and also ended up paying nothing. Yet he heard from dozens of cancer and leukemia patients who have been hit with big bills or co-pays during this same time period.

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i wonder how much of the money the govt will kick in will be to bail out the insurance companies, rather than help hospitals or citizens afflicted.

will be interesting to see if private insurance pays up for their end of the deal, but i doubt we'll get much info from the tv news channels on that, as insurance companies are huge ad time buyers.

the govt refusing to release where all the other money has gone should be criminal. (and no doubt much was literally or effectively stolen, with our nation's top leaders the inside accomplices).
 
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i wonder how much of the money the govt will kick in will be to bail out the insurance companies, rather than help hospitals or citizens afflicted.

will be interesting to see if private insurance pays up for their end of the deal, but i doubt we'll get much info from the tv news channels on that, as insurance companies are huge ad time buyers.

the govt refusing to release where all the other money has gone should be criminal. (and no doubt much was literally or effectively stolen, with our nation's top leaders the inside accomplices).
Hospitals are complicit too. The amounts they bill are grossly inflated. Any meaningful healthcare reform needs to address this fact.
 
Hospitals are complicit too. The amounts they bill are grossly inflated. Any meaningful healthcare reform needs to address this fact.

Its just nuts. Nowhere that I know of has this fecked up bloated system. Nowhere.

This is the reason why I doubt if the country will ever clear itself of Covid 19 or any future pandemics. The value system is fecked up when profits matter more than lives. Not sure how that plays in Jesus's book.
 
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Its just nuts. Nowhere that I know of has this fecked up bloated system. Nowhere.

This is the reason why I doubt if the country will ever clear itself of Covid 19 or any future pandemics. The value system is fecked up when profits matter more than lives. Not sure how that plays in Jesus's book.

There are plenty of problems with the American system but hospital charges are a paper tiger for insured people. Payers know it and mark-down payments accordingly (a quarter of the total or less for Medicare).

The real problem would be if Mr. Flor was 60 instead of 70, and had lost his employer-health insurance. Thankfully, the ACA provides an option for coverage. But if he had failed to select this option, he's in the only category of people that actually has to pay at charges, the uninsured. That's what's fecked up!
 
Its just nuts. Nowhere that I know of has this fecked up bloated system. Nowhere.

This is the reason why I doubt if the country will ever clear itself of Covid 19 or any future pandemics. The value system is fecked up when profits matter more than lives. Not sure how that plays in Jesus's book.

Who in this country doesn't have access to health insurance? I've literally never met anyone. If you don't work you get free Medicaid. If you work and your employer doesn't offer insurance you can purchase an affordable plan through the exchange, right? You're not saying Obama and the Dems are liars? Pure hogwash.
 
i wonder how much of the money the govt will kick in will be to bail out the insurance companies, rather than help hospitals or citizens .
They already had their hand out and already got some $$$$s. From the OP: "Congress set aside more than $100 billion to help hospitals and insurance companies defray the costs of the pandemic". I am not sure how that 100B was split up.
 
Who in this country doesn't have access to health insurance? I've literally never met anyone. If you don't work you get free Medicaid. If you work and your employer doesn't offer insurance you can purchase an affordable plan through the exchange, right? You're not saying Obama and the Dems are liars? Pure hogwash.

Who knows what the insurance means. An ambulance takes you to the wrong hospital and your insurance might be worthless. They take you to the right hospital but one anesthesiologist is out of network, tough luck.

And 9f course about 500,000 who lost their jobs in May signed up for insurance through the exchanges that the GOP is trying to eliminate.
 
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Who in this country doesn't have access to health insurance? I've literally never met anyone. If you don't work you get free Medicaid. If you work and your employer doesn't offer insurance you can purchase an affordable plan through the exchange, right? You're not saying Obama and the Dems are liars? Pure hogwash.

My brother who did video freelance work for several years and had people who didn't want to pay him. He got ACA once it was passed but went several years with no insurance. Just think about having no insurance while having a huge lump on your neck and not knowing what it is because you can't afford to even ask.

It happens. He has a great job with insurance now but I was saving to put up $10K+ just to have him checked out by a doc.
 
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Who in this country doesn't have access to health insurance? I've literally never met anyone. If you don't work you get free Medicaid. If you work and your employer doesn't offer insurance you can purchase an affordable plan through the exchange, right? You're not saying Obama and the Dems are liars? Pure hogwash.
There are millions of people who still don’t have health insurance. And if the GOP has their way, there will be millions more.
 
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I thought Obamacare fixed all of Heathcare? Guess not.
No one said it was fixed, but it did get about 20 more people insured. Of course, Trump immediately starting fighting to take it away.
 
There are millions of people who still don’t have health insurance. And if the GOP has their way, there will be millions more.

But why not? They're too stupid to sign up? Or they are like the people you see not wearing masks saying "no that's for suckers"?
 
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