Roster Construction 2019 - 2021

[skippy1813]

Oh neat, another useless thread...

Back to roster construction for a sec, Smith and Durham also declared for the draft. Hope they get some useful feedback.

 

[IUPaterade724]

i take issue with how it is primarily being used. most players are using it for basketball, not to further their education. most are actually taking undergraduate level courses and not completing, or even attempting to get a masters degree

To me, it sounds like a harmless way for kids to get to play another year of the sport they love before going onto their careers.

 

[IUPaterade724]

i didn't think you were a real tasmanian devil. i thought you just made that up. but now i can totally see you angrily, maniacally spinning out of control. i've changed my mind

He's being completely rational. You might want to find a mirror.

 

[PranksterMary]

Prove it with facts, numbers and articles. Of course I know you won't because you NEVER back up what you spew.

For which of those 12 losses in 13 games do you require facts, numbers and articles. Stop being an idiot and admit you guys didn’t know what you were talking about when you overrated the team.

 

[ufo33]

IU will not improve until a few of the current players are no longer playing meaningful minutes. How Archie finishes this recruiting season, and the health of Hunter and Race, are crucial to next season's success, and Archie's future at IU.

 

[PranksterMary]

IU will not improve until a few of the current players are no longer playing meaningful minutes. How Archie finishes this recruiting season, and the health of Hunter and Race, are crucial to next season's success, and Archie's future at IU.

Why do you think Miller and staff failed to address the roster issues up until now?

 

[MrBing]

Michigan State lost Langford (15 ppg) for the season, Ward and Ahrens for some time as well. Our injuries pale in comparison.

Texas Tech had very little recruiting talent but a great coach.

There’s simply no rational excuse for last year’s team to miss the damn tournament. None.

You're a fake poster. You're not an IU fan. You're either the dumbest poster this board has ever seen or you're a fan of UK or PU and you're here just to troll. That would make you dumb too so either way you're the dumbest poster this board has ever seen.

 

[All4You]

Why do you think Miller and staff failed to address the roster issues up until now?

And what makes you think he hasn't? Until a few weeks ago we only had a single possible opening (if Romeo declared). Short of over-signing/Creaning, you can only prepare so much for guys leaving like Jake and Clifton. We added Brunk, and as far as I can tell they are still grinding to fill at least one more of the two open spots. As for the guys UFO33 alluded to they either put in the work and buy in, or they don't and can sit @ the end of the bench while those meaningful minutes are spread about to Race, Hunter, Brunk, TJD, Anderson and Durham.

 

[hondo314]

Why do you think Miller and staff failed to address the roster issues up until now?

good question.

follow-up: why did your mom not take a break from crack while carrying you to term?

so many burning questions....

 

[bailey777]

Why do you think Miller and staff failed to address the roster issues up until now?

I do not think the shooting issues have been addressed at all for next season. We lose our two best scorers and so far have brough in zero shooters. I simply cannot understand how anyone thinks next season will be better if nothing else changes before next year. I have very low expectations.

 

[snarlcakes]

IU will not improve until a few of the current players are no longer playing meaningful minutes. How Archie finishes this recruiting season, and the health of Hunter and Race, are crucial to next season's success, and Archie's future at IU.

I agree Hunter is crucial, but I don't see Race playing much if we remain healthy. We have good depth and talent at the 4 and 5 positions.

 

[Tasmanian Devil]

So Indiana had a comparable roster in both years of experience AND talent-wise? Right?

Bolded for emphasis

Yes. Especially after they lost Langford.

I’ll remind you we did beat them twice.

Just not true, feepaw:

Michigan State
Player Class RSCI Top 100
Cassius Winston JR 29 (2016)
Nick Ward JR 44 (2016)
Xavier Tillman SO 83 (2017)
Matt McQuaid SR 67 (2015)
Kenny Goins RS/SR
Aaron Henry FR
Joshua Langford JR 20 (2016)
Kyle Ahrens RS/JR
Gabe Brown FR 100 (2018)
Foster Loyer FR 77 (2018)
Thomas Kithier FR
Marcus Bingham Jr. FR 62 (2018)
Jack Hoiberg (W) RS/FR
Braden Burke (W) RS/SO
Conner George RS/JR
Brock Washington (W) RS/FR

That's EIGHT players from the RSCI rankings,with 4 of those being at least 3 yr players.

Indiana
Romeo Langford FR 5 (2018)
Juwan Morgan SR
Justin Smith SO 87 (2017)
Aljami Durham SO
Devonte Green JR
Rob Phinisee FR
De'Ron Davis JR 40 (2016)
Evan Fitzner SR
Damezi Anderson FR
Jake Forrester FR
Zach McRoberts SR
Clifton Moore SO
Vijay Blackmon (W) SO
Race Thompson FR
Johnny Jager (W) JR
Quentin Taylor (W) SR
Jerome Hunter FR 57 (2018)

That's FOUR players from the top RSCI rankings - and 1 didn't play a single game. Take a look at the major contributors - not NEARLY the same experience as Michigan St.

Michigan State lost Langford 13 games in, lost Ward for 5 games at the end or the Big 10 season, lost Ahrens for the NCAA. As a team they lost 43 player games to injury.

Indiana? Besides Hunter's 35 games missed, they lost Race Thompson for 25 games, lost Green for 7 games total via injury/suspension, lost Phinisee for 3 games with a concussion. All told, IU lost a total of 90 player games to injury. And we're not even counting the games Phin was playing at less than 100% from his concussion, that from Jan 1 up until the first Michigan St game DeRon played a TOTAL of just 15 minutes.

At the end of the UC Davis game, IU had 7 players out. SEVEN! You think that didn't make a difference on player development? Just how the hell is guys supposed to practice and get better - by guarding a shadow?

There is NO comparison between the two teams - in terms of talent, experience AND injury. You keep on believing what you want to believe, but it just ain't true.

 

[fpeaugh]

Prove it with facts, numbers and articles. Of course I know you won't because you NEVER back up what you spew.

Back it up with articles? Listen to yourself.

Go look at the recruiting rankings the last few years. It’s not complicated if you step outside your bubble.

 

[fpeaugh]

You're a fake poster. You're not an IU fan. You're either the dumbest poster this board has ever seen or you're a fan of UK or PU and you're here just to troll. That would make you dumb too so either way you're the dumbest poster this board has ever seen.

I’ve probably been an IU fan longer than you’ve been alive.

 

[speroni]

Back it up with articles? Listen to yourself.

Go look at the recruiting rankings the last few years. It’s not complicated if you step outside your bubble.

OK, Mr. Smugness. Taz posted the rankings right here. He gave concrete examples and burst your bubble. But I'm betting you won't admit how ridiculous you look now - because the only time you've said you were wrong was when you called Archie a home-run hire.

 

[MrBing]

I’ve probably been an IU fan longer than you’ve been alive.

I've seen no evidence that you're an IU fan. I think you're a fake poster. You might be really old but that just makes you an old fake poster.

 

[Tasmanian Devil]

OK, Mr. Smugness. Taz posted the rankings right here. He gave concrete examples and burst your bubble. But I'm betting you won't admit how ridiculous you look now - because the only time you've said you were wrong was when you called Archie a home-run hire.

CDK won't do it - because he THINKS he knows it all, just as @T.M.P. pegged him a long time ago.

 

[ufo33]

I agree Hunter is crucial, but I don't see Race playing much if we remain healthy. We have good depth and talent at the 4 and 5 positions.

I see Race playing good minutes, I would move Smith down below Race if Race is healthy, and below Anderson if Anderson regains his shooting touch and becomes adequate defensively. Franklin could be contributing and increasing his playing time by the start of the B1G season.
5 DeRon/Brunk
4 TJD/Race
3 Hunter/Smith/Anderson
2 Green/Al/Franklin/Recruit or Grad Transfer
1 Phinisee/Franklin/Recruit or Grad Transfer

 

[speroni]

CDK won't do it - because he THINKS he knows it all, just as @T.M.P. pegged him a long time ago.

I DO appreciate the effort it took to research and post those facts. I figured IU had many more injury issues than MSU... but I hadn't realized that it was over DOUBLE the amount of player games.

 

[Tasmanian Devil]

I see Race playing good minutes, I would move Smith down below Race if Race is healthy, and below Anderson if Anderson regains his shooting touch and becomes adequate defensively. Franklin could be contributing and increasing his playing time by the start of the B1G season.
5 DeRon/Brunk
4 TJD/Race
3 Hunter/Smith/Anderson
2 Green/Al/Franklin/Recruit or Grad Transfer
1 Phinisee/Franklin/Recruit or Grad Transfer

Look at the depth you have there. Assuming everyone is healthy (relatively; no bizzaro crap like this past season) you’re gonna have good battles in practice for playing time. Guys will have to earn it in practice or they won’t play.

And look at the flexibility. You could play “small” with TJD, Smith & Hunter. That’s a helluva athletic front line.

Really hoping Smith gets it together mentally. If he buys in, he could be a significant piece of the puzzle. With his length and athleticism he’s the perfect guy to play the packline - but only IF he commits to it. We’ll see.

 

[Al Bino]

For which of those 12 losses in 13 games do you require facts, numbers and articles. Stop being an idiot and admit you guys didn’t know what you were talking about when you overrated the team.

WTF are you talking about? I was addressing fpeaugh saying we had similar talent and experience at MSU.

I will use your line, stop being an idiot.

 

[Al Bino]

Back it up with articles? Listen to yourself.

Go look at the recruiting rankings the last few years. It’s not complicated if you step outside your bubble.

You NEVER back up your outrageous claims with anything but "step outside your bubble" BS.

Taz posted the rankings and the games lost by IU and MSU. Do you have any facts to back up your claims? Hell no you don't.

Just STFU.

 

[ufo33]

Look at the depth you have there. Assuming everyone is healthy (relatively; no bizzaro crap like this past season) you’re gonna have good battles in practice for playing time. Guys will have to earn it in practice or they won’t play.

And look at the flexibility. You could play “small” with TJD, Smith & Hunter. That’s a helluva athletic front line.

Really hoping Smith gets it together mentally. If he buys in, he could be a significant piece of the puzzle. With his length and athleticism he’s the perfect guy to play the packline - but only IF he commits to it. We’ll see.

Smith is athletic but has no basketball skills more than 5 feet from the basket. He would be an adequate bench role player. A healthy Hunter should play the 3.

 

[SuperHoosierFan]

Bolded for emphasis



Just not true, feepaw:

Michigan State
Player Class RSCI Top 100
Cassius Winston JR 29 (2016)
Nick Ward JR 44 (2016)
Xavier Tillman SO 83 (2017)
Matt McQuaid SR 67 (2015)
Kenny Goins RS/SR
Aaron Henry FR
Joshua Langford JR 20 (2016)
Kyle Ahrens RS/JR
Gabe Brown FR 100 (2018)
Foster Loyer FR 77 (2018)
Thomas Kithier FR
Marcus Bingham Jr. FR 62 (2018)
Jack Hoiberg (W) RS/FR
Braden Burke (W) RS/SO
Conner George RS/JR
Brock Washington (W) RS/FR

That's EIGHT players from the RSCI rankings,with 4 of those being at least 3 yr players.

Indiana
Romeo Langford FR 5 (2018)
Juwan Morgan SR
Justin Smith SO 87 (2017)
Aljami Durham SO
Devonte Green JR
Rob Phinisee FR
De'Ron Davis JR 40 (2016)
Evan Fitzner SR
Damezi Anderson FR
Jake Forrester FR
Zach McRoberts SR
Clifton Moore SO
Vijay Blackmon (W) SO
Race Thompson FR
Johnny Jager (W) JR
Quentin Taylor (W) SR
Jerome Hunter FR 57 (2018)

That's FOUR players from the top RSCI rankings - and 1 didn't play a single game. Take a look at the major contributors - not NEARLY the same experience as Michigan St.

Michigan State lost Langford 13 games in, lost Ward for 5 games at the end or the Big 10 season, lost Ahrens for the NCAA. As a team they lost 43 player games to injury.

Indiana? Besides Hunter's 35 games missed, they lost Race Thompson for 25 games, lost Green for 7 games total via injury/suspension, lost Phinisee for 3 games with a concussion. All told, IU lost a total of 90 player games to injury. And we're not even counting the games Phin was playing at less than 100% from his concussion, that from Jan 1 up until the first Michigan St game DeRon played a TOTAL of just 15 minutes.

At the end of the UC Davis game, IU had 7 players out. SEVEN! You think that didn't make a difference on player development? Just how the hell is guys supposed to practice and get better - by guarding a shadow?

There is NO comparison between the two teams - in terms of talent, experience AND injury. You keep on believing what you want to believe, but it just ain't true.

You and your damn facts. You’re making reality an inconvenient place to live.

 

[Tasmanian Devil]

You and your damn facts. You’re making reality an inconvenient place FOR FPEAUGH .

FIFY

 

[Tasmanian Devil]

Smith is athletic but has no basketball skills more than 5 feet from the basket. He would be an adequate bench role player. A healthy Hunter should play the 3.

Vic shot 20.8% from 3pt range his sophomore year; as a junior he upped that to 44.1%.

I want to really like Smith. He’s a really smart kid and he has a lot of raw ability. IMHO his dad in his ear was his biggest issue.

This off-season is huge for both him and IU. A solid buy-in from Smith can be a real difference-maker - even if he doesn’t start.

 

[All4You]

Vic shot 20.8% from 3pt range his sophomore year; as a junior he upped that to 44.1%.

I want to really like Smith. He’s a really smart kid and he has a lot of raw ability. IMHO his dad in his ear was his biggest issue.

This off-season is huge for both him and IU. A solid buy-in from Smith can be a real difference-maker - even if he doesn’t start.

I feel the same way, and TBH he doesn't need to be great from 3 (he really only needs to be good enough that defenses don't cheat off of him) as long as he plays hard on defense and aggressive to the bucket on offense.

 

[fpeaugh]

Bolded for emphasis



Just not true, feepaw:

Michigan State
Player Class RSCI Top 100
Cassius Winston JR 29 (2016)
Nick Ward JR 44 (2016)
Xavier Tillman SO 83 (2017)
Matt McQuaid SR 67 (2015)
Kenny Goins RS/SR
Aaron Henry FR
Joshua Langford JR 20 (2016)
Kyle Ahrens RS/JR
Gabe Brown FR 100 (2018)
Foster Loyer FR 77 (2018)
Thomas Kithier FR
Marcus Bingham Jr. FR 62 (2018)
Jack Hoiberg (W) RS/FR
Braden Burke (W) RS/SO
Conner George RS/JR
Brock Washington (W) RS/FR

That's EIGHT players from the RSCI rankings,with 4 of those being at least 3 yr players.

Indiana
Romeo Langford FR 5 (2018)
Juwan Morgan SR
Justin Smith SO 87 (2017)
Aljami Durham SO
Devonte Green JR
Rob Phinisee FR
De'Ron Davis JR 40 (2016)
Evan Fitzner SR
Damezi Anderson FR
Jake Forrester FR
Zach McRoberts SR
Clifton Moore SO
Vijay Blackmon (W) SO
Race Thompson FR
Johnny Jager (W) JR
Quentin Taylor (W) SR
Jerome Hunter FR 57 (2018)

That's FOUR players from the top RSCI rankings - and 1 didn't play a single game. Take a look at the major contributors - not NEARLY the same experience as Michigan St.

Michigan State lost Langford 13 games in, lost Ward for 5 games at the end or the Big 10 season, lost Ahrens for the NCAA. As a team they lost 43 player games to injury.

Indiana? Besides Hunter's 35 games missed, they lost Race Thompson for 25 games, lost Green for 7 games total via injury/suspension, lost Phinisee for 3 games with a concussion. All told, IU lost a total of 90 player games to injury. And we're not even counting the games Phin was playing at less than 100% from his concussion, that from Jan 1 up until the first Michigan St game DeRon played a TOTAL of just 15 minutes.

At the end of the UC Davis game, IU had 7 players out. SEVEN! You think that didn't make a difference on player development? Just how the hell is guys supposed to practice and get better - by guarding a shadow?

There is NO comparison between the two teams - in terms of talent, experience AND injury. You keep on believing what you want to believe, but it just ain't true.

OK, Mr. Smugness. Taz posted the rankings right here. He gave concrete examples and burst your bubble. But I'm betting you won't admit how ridiculous you look now - because the only time you've said you were wrong was when you called Archie a home-run hire.

I've seen no evidence that you're an IU fan. I think you're a fake poster. You might be really old but that just makes you an old fake poster.

You NEVER back up your outrageous claims with anything but "step outside your bubble" BS.

Taz posted the rankings and the games lost by IU and MSU. Do you have any facts to back up your claims? Hell no you don't.

Just STFU.

Last year our roster had:
7 4 star recruits (8 if Race didn’t reclassify)
1 5 star
1 All Big Ten senior Morgan

That’s 10 players who were either a 4 or 5 star recruit, or an All Big Ten senior.

Not making the tournament is a complete joke.

 

[bailey777]

I see Race playing good minutes, I would move Smith down below Race if Race is healthy, and below Anderson if Anderson regains his shooting touch and becomes adequate defensively. Franklin could be contributing and increasing his playing time by the start of the B1G season.
5 DeRon/Brunk
4 TJD/Race
3 Hunter/Smith/Anderson
2 Green/Al/Franklin/Recruit or Grad Transfer
1 Phinisee/Franklin/Recruit or Grad Transfer

You think Race drops below Andreson possibly? In the little we saw of Race his defense was 100 times better than Anderson. It was not even close. As far as his shooting touch he did not have one. He shot 27%. College is much different than high school.

 

[Tasmanian Devil]

Last year our roster had:
7 4 star recruits (8 if Race didn’t reclassify)
1 5 star
1 All Big Ten senior Morgan

That’s 10 players who were either a 4 or 5 star recruit, or an All Big Ten senior.

Not making the tournament is a complete joke.

Guess you missed the part about the injuries, huh?

And you were comparing our roster to Michigan State . . . lol

 

[Ksteph]

You NEVER back up your outrageous claims with anything but "step outside your bubble" BS.

Taz posted the rankings and the games lost by IU and MSU. Do you have any facts to back up your claims? Hell no you don't.

Just STFU.

I’m curious what your guys’ excuses are going to be next year when we fail to make the tourney again - or will you then see what most of us already see? Really though, are all you guys that constantly defending everything iu going to have the same attitude this time next year if we don’t make the tourney?

 

[Ksteph]

FIFY

Bahahhahaha you’re so clever. Man you’re either a kid or major fn dork

 

[ufo33]

Vic shot 20.8% from 3pt range his sophomore year; as a junior he upped that to 44.1%.

I want to really like Smith. He’s a really smart kid and he has a lot of raw ability. IMHO his dad in his ear was his biggest issue.

This off-season is huge for both him and IU. A solid buy-in from Smith can be a real difference-maker - even if he doesn’t start.

I heard Smith is a good student, so the intelligence is there to learn where he can be most effective. Raw ability is great, but only if you combine it with good skill level. I would much rather have good basketball skills first and athleticism 2nd. Give me ballpayers over raw athetes any day. If he turns into Victor I will be amazed. Right now the basketball path is to be another Hanner, lots of promise but no development. Great athleticism, but low skill level. Smith meeds to work with the IU staff from now until next season on shooting mechanics, perimeter shooting, FT shooting, post moves and rebounding. Less vertical leap contests and more shooting contests.

 

[speroni]

I’m curious what your guys’ excuses are going to be next year when we fail to make the tourney again - or will you then see what most of us already see? Really though, are all you guys that constantly defending everything iu going to have the same attitude this time next year if we don’t make the tourney?

"Most of us"? Take a look on this board - it sure ain't most of you.

 

[cryano]

I see Race playing good minutes, I would move Smith down below Race if Race is healthy, and below Anderson if Anderson regains his shooting touch and becomes adequate defensively. Franklin could be contributing and increasing his playing time by the start of the B1G season.
Questionable - 5 DeRon/Brunk
Unknown - 4 TJD/Race
Unknown - 3 Hunter/Smith/Anderson
Blamed - 2 Green/Al/Franklin/Recruit or Grad Transfer
Good - 1 Phinisee/Franklin/Recruit or Grad Transfer

So most of the season the Archie Apologists blamed Green and Smith for the losses and wanted them to transfer, and now they are praising the same players for the strength of roster Archie has built?

Man - you Apologists are hard to reason with...as your opinions change frequently to fit your side of the Archie Agenda...

 

[Ksteph]

"Most of us"? Take a look on this board - it sure ain't most of you.

Most fans..This is the only place I see or hear so many excuses about iuball.

 

[Tasmanian Devil]

Bahahhahaha you’re so clever. Man you’re either a kid or major fn dork

Kettle, meet pot

 

[PranksterMary]

Kettle, meet pot

Kettle or pot or whoever you are, you guys didn’t know what you were talking about and you look dumber trying to make all these lame excuses. Just admit you blew it and own it.

 

[Ksteph]

Kettle, meet pot

Lol ohh so clever

 

[fpeaugh]

Guess you missed the part about the injuries, huh?

And you were comparing our roster to Michigan State . . . lol

Give me a break. Davis and Phinisee missed a couple games and we won more than we lost. Unknown Hunter is really the only one with significant injuries. MSU lost one of their best players for the year. Give it up kid.