Robert Kennedy Jr.

[The Vid]

You too should vote for him in the primary . . . and the general if he's nominated.

His positions against big pharma, the government sponsored poisoning of our food and water supply, Monsanto, etc. have always been #1 for me. He hits them hard. The idea that he’s pushing conspiracy theories is WRONG.

#2 is the identity nonsense that Biden peddles. I need to here more from him on this.

I care about having a normal, reasonable approach to climate and new energy source vs whatever the hell the current left is doing. I think he’s more in line with an effective approach vs Joe peddling gloom and doom while contracting with ineffective solutions/companies. Until someone can work with China and India it doesn’t exactly matter. Joe is ending his speeches In Connecticut with “God save the Queen man” so…… he’s not the guy. RFK could maybe move the needle there.

The next 18 months are going to be crazy. What a mess.

 

[mcmurtry66]

A good % of the public doesn’t even know who he is… yet. RFK is 100% a problem for Biden. He would eviscerate him in a debate. He’s more in line with your average democrat. Biden is a geriatric puppet at this point.

biden is a vapid moron. kennedy is very smart. a true believer. i respect that. an excellent trial lawyer in the most difficult cases of all to prosecute. he's pretty remarkable. i don't know enough about his vaccine stance to opine, other than to say nor do people on this board, and we should all be growing tired of the "fall in line" group think party bs we had with covid etc. if he raises questions good for him. let's get people competent to refute his beliefs to do so. it'll inure to the benefit of all of us with an open mind. what i've heard from him has left me impressed. he's well read. maybe he's not reading the right stuff. let's hear from someone who has. as for any other whack stuff we're all whacky with some stuff. there's more intellect/knowledge in kennedy's toe jam than biden's brain. a debate would be comical

I’ll add I have a friend who had him for class and worked on cases with him and loves him.

 

[The Vid]

biden is a vapid moron. kennedy is very smart. a true believer. i respect that. an excellent trial lawyer in the most difficult cases of all to prosecute. he's pretty remarkable. i don't know enough about his vaccine stance to opine, other than to say nor do people on this board, and we should all be growing tired of the "fall in line" group think party bs we had with covid etc. if he raises questions good for him. let's get people competent to refute his beliefs to do so. it'll inure to the benefit of all of us with an open mind. what i've heard from him has left me impressed. he's well read. maybe he's not reading the right stuff. let's hear from someone who has. as for any other whack stuff we're all whacky with some stuff. there's more intellect/knowledge in kennedy's toe jam than biden's brain. a debate would be comical

Biden was a very unremarkable person to begin with and he’s had things go his way. He was always in it for the long haul. Just like that moron at your company who just hung around and rubbed all the right people over decades. His current state and puppetry are a disgrace.

 

[Sope Creek]

His positions against big pharma, the government sponsored poisoning of our food and water supply, Monsanto, etc. have always been #1 for me. He hits them hard. The idea that he’s pushing conspiracy theories is WRONG.

#2 is the identity nonsense that Biden peddles. I need to here more from him on this.

I care about having a normal, reasonable approach to climate and new energy source vs whatever the hell the current left is doing. I think he’s more in line with an effective approach vs Joe peddling gloom and doom while contracting with ineffective solutions/companies. Until someone can work with China and India it doesn’t exactly matter. Joe is ending his speeches In Connecticut with “God save the Queen man” so…… he’s not the guy. RFK could maybe move the needle there.

The next 18 months are going to be crazy. What a mess.

Wait . . . what? The government is poisoning our food and water supply? That's not a conspiracy theory?

What's a "normal, reasonable approach to climate and new energy source"? I would point you to the bankruptcy of Kiel Brothers Oil Company . . . gas stations all leak gasoline, poisoning our water supply.

Cleanups at Pence family's failed gas stations costing taxpayers millions: report

More than a decade after the former Indiana oil company of Vice President Mike Pence’s family filed for bankruptcy, taxpayers are bearing the costs of millions of dollars to clean up more than 85 contaminated sites, a report says.

www.foxnews.com

The Hidden Cost of Gasoline

Gas stations caused a $20 billion toxic mess — and it’s not going away.

grist.org

 

[Sope Creek]

biden is a vapid moron. kennedy is very smart. a true believer. i respect that. an excellent trial lawyer in the most difficult cases of all to prosecute. he's pretty remarkable. i don't know enough about his vaccine stance to opine, other than to say nor do people on this board, and we should all be growing tired of the "fall in line" group think party bs we had with covid etc. if he raises questions good for him. let's get people competent to refute his beliefs to do so. it'll inure to the benefit of all of us with an open mind. what i've heard from him has left me impressed. he's well read. maybe he's not reading the right stuff. let's hear from someone who has. as for any other whack stuff we're all whacky with some stuff. there's more intellect/knowledge in kennedy's toe jam than biden's brain. a debate would be comical

I’ll add I have a friend who had him for class and worked on cases with him and loves him.

You mean the guy convicted of drug (cocaine) trafficking . . . and then perjury?

United States of America, Plaintiff-appellee, v. Robert Kennedy, Jr., Defendant-appellant, 372 F.3d 686 (4th Cir. 2004)

United States of America, Plaintiff-appellee, v. Robert Kennedy, Jr., Defendant-appellant, 372 F.3d 686 (4th Cir. 2004) case opinion from the U.S. Court of Appeals for the Fourth Circuit

law.justia.com

 

[mcmurtry66]

You mean the guy convicted of drug (cocaine) trafficking . . . and then perjury?

United States of America, Plaintiff-appellee, v. Robert Kennedy, Jr., Defendant-appellant, 372 F.3d 686 (4th Cir. 2004)

United States of America, Plaintiff-appellee, v. Robert Kennedy, Jr., Defendant-appellant, 372 F.3d 686 (4th Cir. 2004) case opinion from the U.S. Court of Appeals for the Fourth Circuit

law.justia.com

he had a drug problem more than two decades ago. test him. i suspect he's clean and sober. we holding it against him for life? no way to rehabilitate? we don't believe in that? since then he's won some pretty remarkable cases. at some point we eliminate everyone with warts we end up with guys who are dumber than shit and spent 50 years in gov. or narcissists like trump

 

[Noodle]

biden is a vapid moron. kennedy is very smart. a true believer. i respect that. an excellent trial lawyer in the most difficult cases of all to prosecute. he's pretty remarkable. i don't know enough about his vaccine stance to opine, other than to say nor do people on this board, and we should all be growing tired of the "fall in line" group think party bs we had with covid etc. if he raises questions good for him. let's get people competent to refute his beliefs to do so. it'll inure to the benefit of all of us with an open mind. what i've heard from him has left me impressed. he's well read. maybe he's not reading the right stuff. let's hear from someone who has. as for any other whack stuff we're all whacky with some stuff. there's more intellect/knowledge in kennedy's toe jam than biden's brain. a debate would be comical

I’ll add I have a friend who had him for class and worked on cases with him and loves him.

Huh? At least some of us know a lot about his "vaccine stance." The shyster continues to peddle the completely debunked theory that vaccines cause autism. His incredibly dangerous claims have been debunked repeatedly. There is no reason to give his crap the time of day. Should we demand that "experts" debate the flat earthers? Or the dumbasses who believe the Jesuits sank the Titanic?

Kennedy is an asshole and a liar. He preys upon parents seeking answers as to why their children have autism. He and his ilk have knowingly persuaded other parents not to have their children vaccinated.

 

[mcmurtry66]

Huh? At least some of us know a lot about his "vaccine stance." The shyster continues to peddle the completely debunked theory that vaccines cause autism. His incredibly dangerous claims have been debunked repeatedly. There is no reason to give his crap the time of day. Should we demand that "experts" debate the flat earthers? Or the dumbasses who believe the Jesuits sank the Titanic?

Kennedy is an asshole and a liar. He preys upon parents seeking answers as to why their children have autism. He and his ilk have knowingly persuaded other parents not to have their children vaccinated.

i don't know much about this subject. i know that an injury compensation fund was established and thousands of petitions were filed. and paid. i also remember individual claims surrounding mercury/vaccines. if there's science that debunks the courts were obviously slow to adopt same. does he still hold that position re autism?

 

[anon_6hv78pr714xta]

Huh? At least some of us know a lot about his "vaccine stance." The shyster continues to peddle the completely debunked theory that vaccines cause autism. His incredibly dangerous claims have been debunked repeatedly. There is no reason to give his crap the time of day. Should we demand that "experts" debate the flat earthers? Or the dumbasses who believe the Jesuits sank the Titanic?

Kennedy is an asshole and a liar. He preys upon parents seeking answers as to why their children have autism. He and his ilk have knowingly persuaded other parents not to have their children vaccinated.

Your last sentence is why someone should debate him. It doesn’t matter that it’s already been done before. If the ideas are false but still out there, you have to continue doing the work.

If you don’t, it looks like you can’t defeat his arguments. That let’s the bad ideas gain more adherents.

If it’s open and shut, this shouldn’t be a problem, what’s the downside?

 

[anon_6hv78pr714xta]

i don't know much about this subject. i know that an injury compensation fund was established and thousands of petitions were filed. and paid. i also remember individual claims surrounding mercury/vaccines. if there's science that debunks the courts were obviously slow to adopt same. does he still hold that position re autism?

Yes he does. He actually holds the position that ALL vaccines are unproven and that most visible improvement in mortality rates re infectious diseases can be traced to the elimination of malnutrition in many places.

 

[ButHerEmails]

His positions against big pharma, the government sponsored poisoning of our food and water supply, Monsanto, etc. have always been #1 for me. He hits them hard. The idea that he’s pushing conspiracy theories is WRONG.

#2 is the identity nonsense that Biden peddles. I need to here more from him on this.

I care about having a normal, reasonable approach to climate and new energy source vs whatever the hell the current left is doing. I think he’s more in line with an effective approach vs Joe peddling gloom and doom while contracting with ineffective solutions/companies. Until someone can work with China and India it doesn’t exactly matter. Joe is ending his speeches In Connecticut with “God save the Queen man” so…… he’s not the guy. RFK could maybe move the needle there.

The next 18 months are going to be crazy. What a mess.

Big pharma? Who’s gonna save us from Big Science, Big Religion, Big Education, Big Retail, Big Restaurant, Big Entertainment? The world is a scary place!!!

 

[The Vid]

Wait . . . what? The government is poisoning our food and water supply? That's not a conspiracy theory?

What's a "normal, reasonable approach to climate and new energy source"? I would point you to the bankruptcy of Kiel Brothers Oil Company . . . gas stations all leak gasoline, poisoning our water supply.

Cleanups at Pence family's failed gas stations costing taxpayers millions: report

More than a decade after the former Indiana oil company of Vice President Mike Pence’s family filed for bankruptcy, taxpayers are bearing the costs of millions of dollars to clean up more than 85 contaminated sites, a report says.

www.foxnews.com

The Hidden Cost of Gasoline

Gas stations caused a $20 billion toxic mess — and it’s not going away.

grist.org

1. Indirectly, yes. If we need technical language.

2. Selling doom and gloom around nuclear energy because it doesn’t line their donors pockets. Constantly asking the wrong questions in hearings to arrive at their pre determined hypothesis. Making dumbasses think gas stoves are going to make a difference, etc. (I’m laughing and shaking my head too).

 

[The Vid]

Big pharma? Who’s gonna save us from Big Science, Big Religion, Big Education, Big Retail, Big Restaurant, Big Entertainment? The world is a scary place!!!

US public health is the laughing stock of the entire world. Travel more.

If you can’t decouple big pharma from the the other nonsense, I can’t help you. Keep drinking the Kool-aid.

 

[mcmurtry66]

Yes he does. He actually holds the position that ALL vaccines are unproven and that most visible improvement in mortality rates re infectious diseases can be traced to the elimination of malnutrition in many places.

hmmmm i just don't know any of the science. when it comes to vaccines, even covid, i go with the masses. if it seems to benefit them i'm in. that said i do remember a ton of money being paid out over vaccine/autism claims. 15 years or so ago if memory serves me

 

[ButHerEmails]

US public health is the laughing stock of the entire world. Travel more.

If you can’t decouple big pharma from the the other nonsense, I can’t help you. Keep drinking the Kool-aid.

Mr Jones? Is that you?

Kool-aid…lmao

 

[The Vid]

Mr Jones? Is that you?

Kool-aid…lmao

No substance, just childish nonsense. Par

 

[ButHerEmails]

No substance, just childish nonsense. Par

You would know. I definitely trust you on that one.

 

[GiggityGoo]

Should we demand that "experts" debate the flat earthers? Or the dumbasses who believe the Jesuits sank the Titanic?

The problem is that people are usually pretty willing to shut up and trust the experts as long as they continue see and feel the benefits of those scientific improvements in their day to day lives.

But when the experts blow up their credibility and make peoples lives worse with half-truths and false hoods.

Then yes, they must come down from the mountain top and debate. It’s not asking a lot.

 

[mcmurtry66]

Your last sentence is why someone should debate him. It doesn’t matter that it’s already been done before. If the ideas are false but still out there, you have to continue doing the work.

If you don’t, it looks like you can’t defeat his arguments. That let’s the bad ideas gain more adherents.

If it’s open and shut, this shouldn’t be a problem, what’s the downside?

exactly. instead of just lauding the benefits debate him. systematically break them down. in the meantime the fund has paid out 4.6 billion in claims

 

[Noodle]

i don't know much about this subject. i know that an injury compensation fund was established and thousands of petitions were filed. and paid. i also remember individual claims surrounding mercury/vaccines. if there's science that debunks the courts were obviously slow to adopt same. does he still hold that position re autism?

The compensation program is for all vaccine injury claims. It was not established only for autism. They no longer pay for claims of vaccine-caused autism. I think that's been the the case since ~2010.

And yes, Kennedy still holds the debunked claims of a link between vaccines and autism. He made the claim yet again on Rogan's show! Of course, since mercury was removed from childhood vaccines starting ~2001 (except for one type of flu vaccine), he's moved on to suggesting that aluminum in vaccines might be the culprit, or “There’s lots of other toxics in the vaccines that, you know, could be responsible." Hell, he's even claimed that WiFi might be causing autism. “I think it degrades your mitochondria and it opens your blood-brain barrier.” It's all complete rubbish.

 

[Sope Creek]

1. Indirectly, yes. If we need technical language.

2. Selling doom and gloom around nuclear energy because it doesn’t line there donors pockets. Constantly asking the wrong questions in hearings to arrive at their pre determined hypothesis. Making dumbasses think gas stoves are going to make a difference, etc. (I’m laughing and shaking my head too).

I asked you for a "normal, reasonable approach to climate and new energy source" and your response is this? I was genuinely curious what a "normal, reasonable approach to climate and new energy source" is . . . because we all want that. And the best you can do is complain about one side's approach to trying to solve the problem?

Ooookay.

 

[Noodle]

Your last sentence is why someone should debate him. It doesn’t matter that it’s already been done before. If the ideas are false but still out there, you have to continue doing the work.

If you don’t, it looks like you can’t defeat his arguments. That let’s the bad ideas gain more adherents.

If it’s open and shut, this shouldn’t be a problem, what’s the downside?

See my post above. All Kennedy has to do is spout off a bunch of nonsense that people think sounds good, While Dr. Hotez is left trying to disprove a bunch of quackery. It's an impossible task, and someone as slick as Kennedy can make almost anything sound credible to people in desperate need of answers. It simply lends a higher level of credibility to someone like Kennedy. There's a reason courts put controls in place when examining issues such as this.

And again, should we have an astronaut on Rogan to debate a flat earther? Why not? There are tens of thousands of people who think the earth is, or might be, flat. All a flat earther would have to do is claim the photos from space are fake, and then make a few outlandish claims, and suddenly some listeners will start questioning their own belief that the earth is round.

 

[mcmurtry66]

The compensation program is for all vaccine injury claims. It was not established only for autism. They no longer pay for claims of vaccine-caused autism. I think that's been the the case since ~2010.

And yes, Kennedy still holds the debunked claims of a link between vaccines and autism. He made the claim yet again on Rogan's show! Of course, since mercury was removed from childhood vaccines starting ~2001 (except for one type of flu vaccine), he's moved on to suggesting that aluminum in vaccines might be the culprit, or “There’s lots of other toxics in the vaccines that, you know, could be responsible." Hell, he's even claimed that WiFi might be causing autism. “I think it degrades your mitochondria and it opens your blood-brain barrier.” It's all complete rubbish.

yeah looks like claims (and attendant lawyer interest) started to die off around 2010. mmr is still on the list of accepted fund claims but presumably for other side effects/conditions. incidentally covid is not on hte list

 

[Sope Creek]

he had a drug problem more than two decades ago. test him. i suspect he's clean and sober. we holding it against him for life? no way to rehabilitate? we don't believe in that? since then he's won some pretty remarkable cases. at some point we eliminate everyone with warts we end up with guys who are dumber than shit and spent 50 years in gov. or narcissists like trump

. . . and the perjury conviction? Blame that on drugs?

 

[Sope Creek]

See my post above. All Kennedy has to do is spout off a bunch of nonsense that people think sounds good, While Dr. Hotez is left trying to disprove a bunch of quackery. It's an impossible task, and someone as slick as Kennedy can make almost anything sound credible to people in desperate need of answers. It simply lends a higher level of credibility to someone like Kennedy. There's a reason courts put controls in place when examining issues such as this.

And again, should we have an astronaut on Rogan to debate a flat earther? Why not? There are tens of thousands of people who think the earth is, or might be, flat. All a flat earther would have to do is claim the photos from space are fake, and then make a few outlandish claims, and suddenly some listeners will start questioning their own belief that the earth is round.

Kyyyy-Reeee . . . !!!!!

 

[mcmurtry66]

See my post above. All Kennedy has to do is spout off a bunch of nonsense that people think sounds good, While Dr. Hotez is left trying to disprove a bunch of quackery. It's an impossible task, and someone as slick as Kennedy can make almost anything sound credible to people in desperate need of answers. It simply lends a higher level of credibility to someone like Kennedy. There's a reason courts put controls in place when examining issues such as this.

And again, should we have an astronaut on Rogan to debate a flat earther? Why not? There are tens of thousands of people who think the earth is, or might be, flat. All a flat earther would have to do is claim the photos from space are fake, and then make a few outlandish claims, and suddenly some listeners will start questioning their own belief that the earth is round.

MMR Vaccine and Autism: Vaccine Nihilism and Postmodern Science

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

pace is where he was/is faculty. interesting. hell of a pi lawyer. sounds like he manufactured this @BradStevens

 

[mcmurtry66]

Yes he does. He actually holds the position that ALL vaccines are unproven and that most visible improvement in mortality rates re infectious diseases can be traced to the elimination of malnutrition in many places.

the vaccine fund is pretty wild. looks like it operates just like vaginal mesh and implants and so many other device mdls that settle. what you got implanted and what you had as a result (one surgery, two) determines what you get on the chart

 

[Noodle]

exactly. instead of just lauding the benefits debate him. systematically break them down. in the meantime the fund has paid out 4.6 billion in claims

So what? More than half of the cases in which there is payment are the result of settlements, and the burden of proof is far lower than what would be required in an Article III court. All the plaintiff needs to show is:

​

(A) the claimant experienced an injury that is named as a vaccine injury in a table within the required time period (a "Tabled Injury"); OR​

​

(B) causation by merely showing:​

(1) a biological theory of harm,​

(2) a logical sequence of events connecting the vaccine to the injury, and​

(3) appropriate time frame in which injury occurred​

The purpose of the National Vaccine Injury Compensation Program is not to determine if there is a scientifically proven causal link between the claimed injury and a vaccine. Rather, it's to determine if compensation should be awarded.

Balancing Vaccine Science and National Policy Objectives: Lessons From the National Vaccine Injury Compensation Program Omnibus Autism Proceedings

The US Court of Federal Claims, which adjudicates cases for the National Vaccine Injury Compensation Program, has been confronted with more than 5000 cases submitted on behalf of children with autism spectrum disorders, seeking to link the condition to ...

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

 

[The Vid]

I asked you for a "normal, reasonable approach to climate and new energy source" and your response is this? I was genuinely curious what a "normal, reasonable approach to climate and new energy source" is . . . because we all want that. And the best you can do is complain about one side's approach to trying to solve the problem?

Ooookay.

“because we all want that…”

I can’t agree with you there. Plenty of politicians know there is no money or control in real solutions. It’s a game FYI

 

[mcmurtry66]

So what? More than half of the cases in which there is payment are the result of settlements, and the burden of proof is far lower than what would be required in an Article III court. All the plaintiff needs to show is:

​

(A) the claimant experienced an injury that is named as a vaccine injury in a table within the required time period (a "Tabled Injury"); OR​

​

(B) causation by merely showing:​

(1) a biological theory of harm,​

(2) a logical sequence of events connecting the vaccine to the injury, and​

(3) appropriate time frame in which injury occurred​

The purpose of the National Vaccine Injury Compensation Program is not to determine if there is a scientifically proven causal link between the claimed injury and a vaccine. Rather, it's to determine if compensation should be awarded.

Balancing Vaccine Science and National Policy Objectives: Lessons From the National Vaccine Injury Compensation Program Omnibus Autism Proceedings

The US Court of Federal Claims, which adjudicates cases for the National Vaccine Injury Compensation Program, has been confronted with more than 5000 cases submitted on behalf of children with autism spectrum disorders, seeking to link the condition to ...

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

the so what is that 4.6 billion places vaccine settlements in the top 5 settlements paid out in us history. it's a significant figure, larger than fen phen, breast implants, etc. probably only oil and tobacco are bigger. car defects maybe. anyway it's got to be top five and a huge figure and if a prospective dem candidate who is climbing on the dem side is promoting anti vaccine propaganda it should be debunked/debated. the avg joe isn't going to understand the claims process. it's literally called the National Vaccine INJURY.... as brad, related, debate him and debunk it. more info is always better. plus we are in a time of gov distrust, particularly amongst pubs, calling out vaccines will be a feather in his cap for many voters.

 

[hoot1]

Forbes magazine has an interesting article on RFK Jr. which includes this list of controversial theories offered by him.

Mass shootings are linked to prescription drugs

The 2004 presidential election was stolen

The CIA was involved in the assassination of former President John F. Kennedy

The wrong person may have been convicted of killing his father

he pharmaceutical industry is throwing money at Democrats

Vaccines can cause autism

Former White House medical advisor Dr. Anthony Fauci and Microsoft cofounder Bill Gates sought to exaggerate the pandemic, in part, to promote vaccines

Article also calls attention to recent polls showing 20% of the Dems would vote for RFK Jr. for president in a primary. IMO find it hard to believe these numbers will hold up as more candidates come into play, and Dems discover even his own family has distanced themselves from his rhetoric.

(This post has been edited thanks to Sope as it originally said JFK Jr.)

 

[Noodle]

the vaccine fund is pretty wild. looks like it operates just like vaginal mesh and implants and so many other device mdls that settle. what you got implanted and what you had as a result (one surgery, two) determines what you get on the chart

It sure is. Using monetary awards to support a claimed link between a vaccine and a medical condition is almost as bad as using VAERS to support such claims. Here are some VAERS injury claims from the Covid-19 vaccine in VAERS:

-Fingernails on the hand of the arm that got injected are slowly turning white

-Approximately 7 hours after the vaccination the patient reported that he had an erection for 24 hours

-Patient presented to emergency room 4 days after receiving vaccination short of breath. Evaluated by ER provider and deemed psychogenic. Patient also intoxicated with history of alcohol use disorder

 

[dbmhoosier]

There’s one guy and one guy only that Trump can’t beat. Don’t say I didn’t warn you when he’s back in the Oval. These are numbers among Republicans only. Pretty impressive actually.

 

[mcmurtry66]

So what? More than half of the cases in which there is payment are the result of settlements, and the burden of proof is far lower than what would be required in an Article III court. All the plaintiff needs to show is:

​

(A) the claimant experienced an injury that is named as a vaccine injury in a table within the required time period (a "Tabled Injury"); OR​

​

(B) causation by merely showing:​

(1) a biological theory of harm,​

(2) a logical sequence of events connecting the vaccine to the injury, and​

(3) appropriate time frame in which injury occurred​

The purpose of the National Vaccine Injury Compensation Program is not to determine if there is a scientifically proven causal link between the claimed injury and a vaccine. Rather, it's to determine if compensation should be awarded.

Balancing Vaccine Science and National Policy Objectives: Lessons From the National Vaccine Injury Compensation Program Omnibus Autism Proceedings

The US Court of Federal Claims, which adjudicates cases for the National Vaccine Injury Compensation Program, has been confronted with more than 5000 cases submitted on behalf of children with autism spectrum disorders, seeking to link the condition to ...

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

just as an fyi to the so what you know why those claims processes are difft right? the funds are set up to insulate manufacturers so they don't have to absorb payouts from impending lawsuits. it preserves manufacturers ability to continue to make vaccines by limiting and controlling damages. if they didnt' have this fund the amount of liability could be far greater. you don't get 100 million dollar verdicts with funds. You can usually track their establishment to big hits or bellwethers

 

[jsig]

I see Raytheon won a big Naval deal. wonder what the kick backs are for the Defense Secretary.

 

[Sope Creek]

I see Raytheon won a big Naval deal. wonder what the kick backs are for the Defense Secretary.

The case is yours to make . . . good luck with that.

 

[Sope Creek]

Forbes magazine has an interesting article on JFK Jr. which includes this list of controversial theories offered by him.

Mass shootings are linked to prescription drugs

The 2004 presidential election was stolen

The CIA was involved in the assassination of former President John F. Kennedy

The wrong person may have been convicted of killing his father

he pharmaceutical industry is throwing money at Democrats

Vaccines can cause autism

Former White House medical advisor Dr. Anthony Fauci and Microsoft cofounder Bill Gates sought to exaggerate the pandemic, in part, to promote vaccines

Article also calls attention to recent polls showing 20% of the Dems would vote for JFK Jr. for president in a primary. IMO find it hard to believe these numbers will hold up as more candidates come into play, and Dems discover even his own family has distanced themselves from his rhetoric.

I suspect that the article is about RFK, Jr. not JFK, Jr.

 

[Noodle]

the so what is that 4.6 billion places vaccine settlements in the top 5 settlements paid out in us history. it's a significant figure, larger than fen phen, breast implants, etc. probably only oil and tobacco are bigger. car defects maybe. anyway it's got to be top five and a huge figure and if a prospective dem candidate who is climbing on the dem side is promoting anti vaccine propaganda it should be debunked/debated. the avg joe isn't going to understand the claims process. it's literally called the National Vaccine INJURY.... as brad, related, debate him and debunk it. more info is always better. plus we are in a time of gov distrust, particularly amongst pubs, calling out vaccines will be a feather in his cap for many voters.

$4.6 billion since 1988, with nearly $1 billion ($903 million) for injuries from prior to 1988. And, it's for injury claims arising from nearly 20 different types of vaccines, each having multiple manufacturers. You can't compare that to one product or even class of product.

In comparison, the Sacklers (Purdue Pharma) agreed to payments in excess of $6 billion just to the states (i.e., not including individual damage awards and payments to the feds).

 

[Sope Creek]

just as an fyi to the so what you know why those claims processes are difft right? the funds are set up to insulate manufacturers so they don't have to absorb payouts from impending lawsuits. it preserves manufacturers ability to continue to make vaccines by limiting and controlling damages. if they didnt' have this fund the amount of liability could be far greater. you don't get 100 million dollar verdicts with funds. You can usually track their establishment to big hits or bellwethers

And the trade-off for less money damages is an easier burden of proof. Nothing you posted negates Noodle's post.

 

[mcmurtry66]

And the trade-off for less money damages is an easier burden of proof. Nothing you posted negates Noodle's post.

no that's comparing apples and oranges