Putting out the flame by calling them the enemy of the people.
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Pittsburgh shooting: Multiple people dead after gunman attacks synagogue
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I’d be forced to vote for him because of Trump’s unsecured cell phone.
There has been a long custom in this country (and maybe elsewhere) for minority groups to fight among each other. It is as if they realize being first in the pecking order is impossible, but making sure they aren't last is possible. I don't know what sort of role that has in any animosity in this discussion. But it was a major cause of friction between blacks and Irish in the era around the Civil War. Frankly, it also explains poor white racism.
Thanks for linking the article, I could not recall Jeffries' name or the book name. I recall it made a big splash but was found to be, well, wrong. Unfortunately as we now know, being wrong isn't the same as being out of popularity.
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Thanks for that. It's never made much sense to me. As the article mentions, Jews were at the forefront of the civil rights movement. Jews have been a scapegoat since time and immemorial. I guess it's not suprising that it would hold true with a group that has been historically suppressed and severely economically disadvantaged.
Ranger, I mean this with all due respect, but you need to do a little reading on the party you indicate you used to support. The Party has a few different right leaning factions that have come together under one banner. Conservatism is one of those movements. There are also Rockefeller Republicans. There are Neo-cons. There are libertarians. The Republicans have never been a monolithic movement. Neither have the Democrats for that matter. At certain points, one faction or another will hold greater sway, but the parties have never just been X and Y. They are a bunch of subsets under one banner.
In theory, there should be lots of similarities and alliances. In practice, the Black Power movement pushed Jews away because of its perception of violence (which can be confused with action) and, more importantly, economic changes between the two groups. Jews hold education to a high regard and are known for pushing their kids. As such, they all moved to the suburbs, leaving the city schools to other minorities. \
I suppose one could argue that the great migration to suburbia in the late 50s, 60s and 70s was really the beginning. Regardless of the cause and effect, Jews still tend to favor progressive social policies that include many of the same things that African Americans seek.
So what? What difference does it make? It's obvious that the misappropriation of the label "conservative" bothers you on a very personal level. In practice, all conservatives are no longer members of the Repiblican party. There are very, very few actual conservatives. At most, they apparently comprised 10-20% of the party. The rest are just republican zombies. Trump could call for socialism tomorrow and they'd be in line within a week
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I’m quite well read on the subject, thank you. Perhaps you can point me to some brainwashing sites where I can start to unlearn reality. Nothing you said disagrees with nor disputes my point. Fine, there are/were factions. But the factions used to be grounded in traditional conservatism (eg, classical liberalism). If the crazy factions have taken over, as they have, they’ve moved the foundation of the party with them and it’s getting increasingly less conservative.
The wrong factions are in power. There was never a populist faction of the GOP and now there is - and that’s death for conservatism. It might not mean death for the GOP but it does for real conservatism. This isn’t about Trump, he’s just the open sore. The death of real conservatism is the virus.
Interesting that you fail to mention the dominant faction--"social conservatives" that formed to oppose integration, civil rights for minorities and rights for women.
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It makes a shitload of a difference. I don’t agree with your 10-20% figures - I think they’re much higher. But maybe only 10-20% of us actually care about it enough to demand reform (eg revert back to real conservatism) on our party. Very little the Democrats offer, in terms of candidates or policies, have any appeal to me. So what am I to do, toasted? Become a populist loon and start “owning the libs?”
Lol, yet the orange idiot does just that, makes it political...."should have had armed guards".. what a moron. Come together? Your boy is the one driving the wedge...and you, with your phony Christianity are right in line giving him props.
So how high are the figures then? And where were their votes? Did they vote for Trump? Did they sit out? Johnson's numbers were puny, so they clearly didn't migrate to him.
If they are as high as you claim and opposed to Trump, then they clearly didn't vote for Hillary, or else she would have won in a landslide. Folks like you, Boot, Kristol are in the extreme minority I'm afraid. I think your numbers are far smaller than you realize.
Yeah I forgot social conservatives. Your mislabeling of their positions not withstanding.
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Huh? Trump won because he got blue areas to vote red. How does that dictate that conservatives didn’t vote for someone else?
Edit: I don’t hold anybody as an ass just because they voted for Trump. It’s fully understandable why someone would be disgusted to vote for HRC. My issue is that it should’ve been made clear to him from day one that this isn’t his party. He’s to sign the laws that real conservatives outnumber into his desk and he’s to forget his twitter password. The unwillingness of real conservatives and great statesmen to criticize him (without first admitting they’re not seeking re-election) is unacceptable.
Because if "conservatives" in those states were more than 10% of the Republican party, Trump would not have had the votes to win. (Assuming the self labeled "conservatives" didn't vote for Trump.)
Fyi, I don't really have a party either. I'm an issue by issue voter. I support universal basic healthcare and a basic income, but I oppose things like the minimum wage and the 1965 civil rights act. I support voting picture ID laws as long as the IDs are provided without burden to the applicant. On the whole, I vote Democratic because there isn't an alternative.
Theodore Roosevelt was a populist Republican. You all like to get pissed at CoH but sometimes the old dudes have some wisdom that we could all learn from. These movements have an ebb and flow to them and Trump too will pass. He has been dropping that message for months. In the meantime, Trump has been a mixed bag on actual policies. You get some economic populism mixed in with traditional conservative boilerplate. If you do not like the direction of the party and do not feel at home on the left, get active at the local level and get involved in primaries. That is how you change course.
It's as if Trump, and all the moonbats echoing his call for "armed guards" are totally unaware of the fact that FOUR of the shooting victims are ARMED POLICE OFFICERS (maybe even tactical or SWAT) who engaged the gunman, were shot,and yet failed to kill him. A 65 yr old rental cop with a cap gun is not going to provide more of a threat or deterrence to a crazed gunman with an assault weapon, than bank guards do to armed robberies. And most bank robbers are not intent on killing everyone in sight...
At this point it's beyond ludicrous. People like her just willfully ignore the fact that the US is probably the most "Christian" nation on the planet, far more religious than the rest of the civilized world, and a lot less tolerant of drugs,prostitution and other moral vices than places like Western Europe and Scandinavia. The DIFFERENCE is the US has an armed population, not late night talk show hosts...
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Roosevelt was virtually a progressive by the time he left office. Maybe Trump will be too. How would that make you feel?
CoH has plenty of wisdom to share - and I wish (and would welcome back) the wise CoH to return. Instead we have MAGA CoH who doesn’t believe in Russian interference in our elections, cant have honest debate with those that believe that maybe an angry, obviously lying, hostile prick shouldn’t be qualified to be a SCJ, and legitimately believes that Democrats are enemies of the state. When am I supposed to take him seriously?
So I'm actually interested in checking out this book regarding the Jewish slave owners from Rhode Island. I can tell you there's a part of the American Jewish History that many A) either do not know or B) don't want to hear. I want to say the largest Jewish populations in North America during the early 1800's were in Charlestown, SC and Savannah, GA. These weren't Jews that we call Ashkenazi from Eastern Europe rather these were Sephardic Jews. Many Sephardic Jews were forced out of Spain and spread themseleves to North Africa, Turkey, back to the Middle East and elsewhere. So yes there were Jews in the south who participated in the slave trade and some were very active in the Civil War. Probably the most prominent Jew of this time was Judah Benjamin who was the first Jew elected to the Senate.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Judah_P._Benjamin
As a pretty active Jew in the community I don't think its completely accurate to say our relationship is strained and I would never say African- American's are the most anti-Semitic group towards us and I don't even think it's close. Of course there are some leaders in their community who have already been mentioned that I'm not fans of, but you have to remember not everything they do for their community is about spreading a negative message. Yes Jews and Blacks were on the front lines together during the civil rights movement and I still feel like we have much in common. If you've never spent a day at a Jewish Community Center you wouldn't see the relationships that have been built over time. African Americans have always been welcome inside our community center and we often have programs that celebrate and provide dialogue amongst our people.
Much of my service withing the Jewish community has been focused on trying to unite the different groups within our diverse community so we can become a stronger and more unified voice. Now that my daughters Bat Mitzvah is over I'm re-thinking what I want to do now. I think there's enough people working to strengthen the tribe, I want my next focus to be something that improves the relationship between all people. I know that sounds very naive and vague, but we all deserve to live a life that is flourishing. I really don't care if someone believes in G-d or not, it's not my job to convince them otherwise, but I do empathize with people that are searching for happiness. I think we all want to be happy and I happen to believe religion is a "human technology" for flourishing. Regardless of our religion, race, sexual orientation, socio-economic background or political party,we all are looking for some happiness. I believe this is one of many common denominators and perhaps this could be a platform for dialogue and helping people reach their potential and that of a flourishing life.
I haven't given much thought about how I can help achieve this and make a difference, but after weekends like we just had, I feel compelled to do something.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Judah_P._Benjamin
As a pretty active Jew in the community I don't think its completely accurate to say our relationship is strained and I would never say African- American's are the most anti-Semitic group towards us and I don't even think it's close. Of course there are some leaders in their community who have already been mentioned that I'm not fans of, but you have to remember not everything they do for their community is about spreading a negative message. Yes Jews and Blacks were on the front lines together during the civil rights movement and I still feel like we have much in common. If you've never spent a day at a Jewish Community Center you wouldn't see the relationships that have been built over time. African Americans have always been welcome inside our community center and we often have programs that celebrate and provide dialogue amongst our people.
Much of my service withing the Jewish community has been focused on trying to unite the different groups within our diverse community so we can become a stronger and more unified voice. Now that my daughters Bat Mitzvah is over I'm re-thinking what I want to do now. I think there's enough people working to strengthen the tribe, I want my next focus to be something that improves the relationship between all people. I know that sounds very naive and vague, but we all deserve to live a life that is flourishing. I really don't care if someone believes in G-d or not, it's not my job to convince them otherwise, but I do empathize with people that are searching for happiness. I think we all want to be happy and I happen to believe religion is a "human technology" for flourishing. Regardless of our religion, race, sexual orientation, socio-economic background or political party,we all are looking for some happiness. I believe this is one of many common denominators and perhaps this could be a platform for dialogue and helping people reach their potential and that of a flourishing life.
I haven't given much thought about how I can help achieve this and make a difference, but after weekends like we just had, I feel compelled to do something.
Was President Obama “your boy?”
When you have this sort of filth coming from Fox News, I think these horrible things will keep happening:
https://talkingpointsmemo.com/edblog/a-country-awash-in-foxs-dark-toxins
Whether it is a synagogue, a black church, or something else, this is what happens when the extreme far right is normalized and essentially embraced by what used to be a fairly centrist, rational, political party.
https://talkingpointsmemo.com/edblog/a-country-awash-in-foxs-dark-toxins
Whether it is a synagogue, a black church, or something else, this is what happens when the extreme far right is normalized and essentially embraced by what used to be a fairly centrist, rational, political party.
Just reading that the shooter was still screaming that he wanted to kill all the Jews as he was in the hospital, being administered to by a nearly all Jewish staff. Smh.
Why on the world would Trump go to Pittsburgh when the mayor and other city officials clearly asked him not to come and refused to meet with him? Thousands of people quietly protesting him in the streets. I cannot imagine ignoring the wishes of these people. Reports that the WH was calling officials and pressuring officials to meet with them .
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He’d be damned if he did or didn’t. You know this.
I don’t feel sorry for him. He’s made his Faustian bargain.
Oh I think it would have been fine to come in a few days. They just asked him to wait until after the funerals. He couldn’t, because he doesn’t want to disrupt his rally schedule
What should he feel shame for? Are you suggesting the shooting has anything to do with him?
He should feel shame for the bazillion shameful things he has said and done. The guy went off about the caravan of immigrants that Trump and the GOP have been shamelessly exploiting as a grave threat to our country...
He should feel shame for going when he clearly wasn’t wanted. And yes, he might take some responsibility also. As we’ve already discussed, his ridiculous fearmongering about the caravan and being sponsored by the Jews ( not sure if he said that, but Fox and others have ) was one of the things he mentioned he was angry about.
"And today we honour great Jewish leaders: Abraham Lincoln...Noah...um...Jewbacca...Jewey Lewis..Jew Barrymore, Jewey Lewis and the Jews."
https://www.cnn.com/2018/10/30/us/bomb-plot-kansas-conviction-trump-rhetoric-trnd/index.html
Attorneys are going to have a field day using this excuse now.
Attorneys are going to have a field day using this excuse now.
It’s nice to see Muslims have good Christian values.
