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One conservative’s argument for a Harris vote

Oh my expectations are in line with yours, I have no illusions on how things are likely to go either way. Next to no one has the political willpower to get spending under control, even those who would actually like to see progress there.
This is the macro equivalent of somebody who constantly lives beyond their means eventually getting to the point that they have to start liquidating assets to continue their level of consumption.

When people who defend our high spending say “You can’t compare government finance to personal finance” this is what they’re talking about. Governments have the ability to create new money.

Which is true. However, any suggestion that this does not come at a very real cost is utterly untrue.
 
This is the macro equivalent of somebody who constantly lives beyond their means eventually getting to the point that they have to start liquidating assets to continue their level of consumption.

When people who defend our high spending say “You can’t compare government finance to personal finance” this is what they’re talking about. Governments have the ability to create new money.

Which is true. However, any suggestion that this does not come at a very real cost is utterly untrue.
We saw a glimpse of the cost coming out of COVID.
 
We saw a glimpse of the cost coming out of COVID.
Well, deficit projections aren’t as high as the COVID years - which were huge, but temporary.

But they are roughly double the historical Post-WWII average….year after year. Do you hear anybody campaigning on addressing this? I don’t.

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Well, deficit projections aren’t as high as the COVID years - which were huge, but temporary.

But they are roughly double the historical Post-WWII average….year after year. Do you hear anybody campaigning on addressing this? I don’t.

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One thing our system is bad at is being forward looking. Nobody wants to be the strict parent.
 
This is the macro equivalent of somebody who constantly lives beyond their means eventually getting to the point that they have to start liquidating assets to continue their level of consumption.

When people who defend our high spending say “You can’t compare government finance to personal finance” this is what they’re talking about. Governments have the ability to create new money.

Which is true. However, any suggestion that this does not come at a very real cost is utterly untrue.
That's not the only difference. Governments can refinance their debt in perpetuity. Individuals can't. Eventually you die, and your debt comes out of your estate. Governments can just keep borrowing.
 
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That's not the only difference. Governments can refinance their debt in perpetuity. Individuals can't. Eventually you die, and your debt comes out of your estate. Governments can just keep borrowing.

And where does the money come from to pay the refinanced debt?

Ultimately, you’re still left with having to monetize it if you can’t sell the bonds to anybody else — refinancing doesn’t make it rational to revenues.

As it stands, roughly 2/3 of our public debt is held by the Fed. And that is certain to grow as the demand for US Treasuries doesn’t even come close to big enough. The only way the Fed can get the money to buy Treasuries is to create it.
 
Well on some things I would draw the line back 30 years. Take the budget for instance. I would go back to the period where we were last balanced, adjust for inflation, and set that as my FY26 budget (FY25 is already going to be shot because of CRs).

Anybody in government saying they can't cut back in a whole host of areas is flat out lying to you. Doing so would require both parties to let go of some of their commonly held beliefs on government workers and funding though.
And I think that's reasonable. I wonder more about someone using the moniker "conservative" and wanting to eliminate the IRS or the income tax or even the 90-year-old social security system.
 
Well on some things I would draw the line back 30 years. Take the budget for instance. I would go back to the period where we were last balanced, adjust for inflation, and set that as my FY26 budget (FY25 is already going to be shot because of CRs).

Anybody in government saying they can't cut back in a whole host of areas is flat out lying to you. Doing so would require both parties to let go of some of their commonly held beliefs on government workers and funding though.

I'd challenge you to go find those numbers. My guess is that the discretionary budget (the stuff that gets talked about and battled over every year) is pretty close to what it was in 1994 , inflation adjusted.

But the outlays for Medicare and SS have greatly increased with an aging population.
 
And I think that's reasonable. I wonder more about someone using the moniker "conservative" and wanting to eliminate the IRS or the income tax or even the 90-year-old social security system.
According to the IRS, out of every ten Americans audited how many pay more in taxes?

Eleven.
 
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I'd challenge you to go find those numbers. My guess is that the discretionary budget (the stuff that gets talked about and battled over every year) is pretty close to what it was in 1994 , inflation adjusted.

But the outlays for Medicare and SS have greatly increased with an aging population.
That could be the case, but without looking, that is where I would start. If it is all Medicare/SS driving it, then you have to look at increasing tax and/or decreasing benefits.
 
I’m not going to waste my time for the argument against Trump. It’s been made repeatedly already. I’d be more interested in someone conservative actually supporting or endorsing Harris, as in they believe she is the best candidate. But we all know why we don’t have that.
One cannot use the term "best candidate" for either. All smart people are voting based on the least least candidate (whomever that is). Anyone arguing one is "best", "great", "good" is talking out their $#3.
 
I’m not going to waste my time for the argument against Trump. It’s been made repeatedly already. I’d be more interested in someone conservative actually supporting or endorsing Harris, as in they believe she is the best candidate. But we all know why we don’t have that.

Hundreds of prominent Republicans are supporting Harris, for a myriad reasons, mostly that Trump is dangerous. Now show me the prominent Democrats supporting Trump. I'll give you the two kooks, Tulsi and RFKjr.
 
Hundreds of prominent Republicans are supporting Harris, for a myriad reasons, mostly that Trump is dangerous. Now show me the prominent Democrats supporting Trump. I'll give you the two kooks, Tulsi and RFKjr.
Mostly that they’re outcasts. Not politically aligned. Military complex self dealers. Etc

I’ll take rfk Jr over them any day of the week. You can have them as Dems
 
Mostly that they’re outcasts. Not politically aligned. Military complex self dealers. Etc
Outcasts? They're not outcasts? They're intelligent and accomplished people and long-term Republicans and no MAGA can cast them out. That's ridiculous.
 
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Mostly that they’re outcasts. Not politically aligned. Military complex self dealers. Etc

I’ll take rfk Jr over them any day of the week. You can have them as Dems
You can tell yourself that, but you know better.

Serious Republicans understand Trump is THAT BAD. No serious Democrats think the same about Harris.
 
You can tell yourself that, but you know better.

Serious Republicans understand Trump is THAT BAD. No serious Democrats think the same about Harris.
There is nothing dangerous about trump. Nothing. There is nothing dangerous about Harris. Nothing. Now if we get more defund and bail projects yes. But I doubt that is her bag this go around

They’re dumb and dumber but the dangerous threat to democracy communist Hitler etc is nothing I worry a second about

IGW would say you’re perfectly duped focusing on the wrong stuff

And if you mean serious republicans I suspect spiteful would work too
 
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You can tell yourself that, but you know better.

Serious Republicans understand Trump is THAT BAD. No serious Democrats think the same about Harris.
Elon and Bill Ackman are two more off the top of my head. The trend I have noticed is Republicans who rely (or did) on the Government coffers are voting for Harris and Democrats who work in the private markets are voting for Trump.
 
Elon and Bill Ackman are two more off the top of my head. The trend I have noticed is Republicans who rely (or did) on the Government coffers are voting for Harris and Democrats who work in the private markets are voting for Trump.
Serious republicans to mark are the old military head types like Cheney McCain etc. good riddance
 
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Elon and Bill Ackman are two more off the top of my head. The trend I have noticed is Republicans who rely (or did) on the Government coffers are voting for Harris and Democrats who work in the private markets are voting for Trump.
Regarding Musk, I can't think of anyone who has benefited from the government coffers more.
 
Mean ol' Dems hurt the billionaires feewings.
Lol…he’s ok. The Dream Team welcomed him with open arms. He’s now a Republican, bought Twitter, and is giving away millions to ensure Democrats lose. Luckily, for you guys he doesn’t hold grudges.
 
Lol…he’s ok. The Dream Team welcomed him with open arms. He’s now a Republican, bought Twitter, and is giving away millions to ensure Democrats lose. Luckily, for you guys he doesn’t hold grudges.
And pretty much was an illegal alien...
 
And pretty much was an illegal alien...
That’s fine and encouraged by Democrats. He’s white and successful is the problem. Those f-#ckers end up voting for Republicans. Someone needs inform Harris or Biden that there are some white poeple in Africa. Those damn British colonizers. Always screwing everything up.
 
That’s fine and encouraged by Democrats. He’s white and successful is the problem. Those f-#ckers end up voting for Republicans. Someone needs inform Harris or Biden that there are some white poeple in Africa. Those damn British colonizers. Always screwing everything up.
You know what this election is. It’s the black studies woke prof from the local accept everyone commuter college with her HOA rat partner vs Thornton Mellon. That’s it
 
it's just personal disdain. nothing more. they're driven by emotions. we see it with some of our conservatives. bitter the old guard is out. hate trump bc he's what he is. awful. etc lol

Prior to the 2020 election, it was all bare knuckle politics. But Trump's post-election conduct and the ransacking of the Capitol he promoted was the deal breaker. No going back after that. The stealing of state secrets was the icing on the cake.
 
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